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MCA Project: Eternity
Okay, I've worked it out - the solution is clearly to build a new, superior version of the Concorde that can hit 3 200 kph instead of 2 000 kph, spend 5.5 hours from 21:00 to 02:30 in London, fly for 2.5 hours to San Francisco (Or LA, if you like LA for some reason) where it will be 21:00 when you land, stay for 5.5 hours, fly for 2.5 hours to Tokyo where it will be 21:00 when you land, stay for 5.5 hours, fly for 2.5 hours to London where you stay for 5.5 hours, etc etc. Clearly this plan is foolproof. All Sommers needs to do is buy BAE or get on the board of directors, and convince the British and French Governments that the last Concorde failed because it just wasn't fast enough. It is, however, unfortunate that a more :obviously: city than SF/LA couldn't be chosen, unless unequal time was to be spent in each city. You could spend more time in London, land in Honolulu for a little while, and then hit Tokyo, but fitting in Moscow, New York, or popping by to visit Richard in Warsaw would be difficult.

I agree to this mutually beneficial arrangement proposed by Esquilax, I flip-flop to his interpretation of C.
 

oscar

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Yeah, we lack intel and he's interested in our banking contacts so might as well come to an agreement. I also think he's trying to style himself as a forwards-thinking Anarch-type "new man", but he's really just a Nossie on the run.

Flipping to C.
 

SCO

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I notice that not one of us extrapolated the bomb.

It was the only logical conclusion what with the graffiti about Angelo. Which made the decision to attack the right one.
Would we have been blown up if not Grotsnik?
 

laclongquan

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Eh. I figure if we had stood back, Cribbs would have cut off their escape route and prolly captured one, the shooter would have tangled Vogler and delayed him. Meanwhile the car would have headed straight for our gate and thrown a bomb in. Since we would have been standing alone at the gate, we either deal with it ourselves at 2:1 odds, or got heavily injured due to the explosion.

Even if we had escaped unharmed, a bomb on our gate would have done well in smashing our reputation in other kindred's eyes, and caused big damage.

OR if all 3 stayed back the car would have done a driveby shooting and bombing. No way to know how big damage that can be.

All in all, we have done well with this little quick action scene.

EDIT: and no, I didnt count on bomb. Too flashy. I thought if there's an ambush it will be the gun stuff.
 

Smashing Axe

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Divinity: Original Sin
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Anyone else think this guy looks and sounds exactly like Murdoch? God, Murdoch already looks like a Nosferatu
 

CappenVarra

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Tempted by (C: Ignore his malkavian ideas of an alternate lifestyle, but try to engineer a mutually beneficial exchange), but not sure if our dealings with a Camarilla-law-defying ugly could be painted as a big enough transgression to make Anthony the Archon's scapegoat if exposed... For all we know, this guy could be a plant specifically targeted at making us get tangled in attempted schemes... Remember the barons' snickering etc. etc. Not to mention he has Oscar the Reliable working for him (say, what was his Willpower score again? :whistle: ).

I'd say, politely explain that we're not interested in leaving London for a life of international buggery, but don't mind him staying around as long as there are no further Masquerade breaches and funny business like Mandrake - and we're not against exchanging a favor or two. Like using his information network to track down the huntards and sabbatards, what would he want in exchange? And we use the time to sound him out, find a few strings to pull, info that could be supplied to parties interested in barbecued Nossie etc. In other words, be a politicking schemer who can't resist finding an angle even in unlikely situations, while trying to manipulate the fucker into handing his local resources to us (while he finds better ones in Japan or whatever they like proverbial hydras)... even if it makes us predictable and easy to set up... for now.

And have to say, an interesting development with the explosion, :salute: grotsnik
 

Esquilax

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Tempted by (C: Ignore his malkavian ideas of an alternate lifestyle, but try to engineer a mutually beneficial exchange), but not sure if our dealings with a Camarilla-law-defying ugly could be painted as a big enough transgression to make Anthony the Archon's scapegoat if exposed... For all we know, this guy could be a plant specifically targeted at making us get tangled in attempted schemes... Remember the barons' snickering etc. etc. Not to mention he has Oscar the Reliable working for him (say, what was his Willpower score again? :whistle: ).

It's certainly possible that Oscar and Bullcracker are in cahoots with a rival Baron looking to get us out of the city. Oscar's worked against us with Eames before because she was the "strongest option" and it's entirely reasonable that he's working with one of our rivals to get us out of the city. I'm certain it's not Turcov, as most of Turcov's lackies are faggy Toreador types rather than filthy Nossies.

But honestly, what would we get staked for if we decided to ally with them? Working with a bunch of Anarchs in order to find a Hunter nest is hardly anything that could be considered a serious transgression. It's not like we made a deal with a cunning Sabbat Bishop in which we decided to hand off one of his spies we had in captivity in exchange for information, right? Or, for example, sacrifice a legendary Hunter-killer in order to eliminate the head of the local Sabbat and to secure our long-term power in Whitehall. Oh wait, we did that already. And that was much, much worse.

The Camarilla may not like the Anarchs, but they are tolerated. While our association with these people could be frowned upon if exposed, it is hardly playing with fire here. Especially if association with Anarchs leads to discovering and killing a whole bunch of Hunters - I'm pretty sure that's the sort of thing that the Archon would conveniently ingore.

I'd say, politely explain that we're not interested in leaving London for a life of international buggery, but don't mind him staying around as long as there are no further Masquerade breaches and funny business like Mandrake - and we're not against exchanging a favor or two. Like using his information network to track down the huntards and sabbatards, what would he want in exchange? And we use the time to sound him out, find a few strings to pull, info that could be supplied to parties interested in barbecued Nossie etc. In other words, be a politicking schemer who can't resist finding an angle even in unlikely situations, while trying to manipulate the fucker into handing his local resources to us (while he finds better ones in Japan or whatever they like proverbial hydras)... even if it makes us predictable and easy to set up... for now.

As Bullcracker said, he would want Anthony's banking connections. Bros, we are Ventrue: if we can't negotiate a deal here that doesn't work in our favour, then we are a rather shitty representative of our clan. To ensure compliance, we'll only hand him our banking contacts after we're given the location of a Hunter nest. From there we can leak information to the Hunters via our government contacts.

I believe that we are on the verge of being able to pull a really good plan together. If we have the location of a few Hunters, along with the location of a Sabbat Den from the shovelheads we've just captured (I know the male shovelhead knows something, the trick is just getting him to talk), we can put together something that will skyrocket our status in the Archon's eyes and make Vogler a far more likely candidate.
 

oscar

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Yeah I think we've got a good synergy going. Thank God I persuaded the critical mass of you guys to vote to attack. Things are going pretty well and, like Esquilax, I can see a plan starting to form.

Our only weakness is in the intel department, what hopefully this will patch up. Though tbh, having a pet Nossie seems more trouble than it's worth at times.
 

Storyfag

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Very well then. Flopping to C. Making a proposal costs us nothing, after all. And if our contacts get exposed, we can always claim we were trying to reign the Anarch in. Or at least to use him for the good of the Camarilla.
 

laclongquan

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I am paranoiac. We have never played well with Anarch. And playing with this slick Nosie could mean we will be manipulated successfully, a chance stand rather high in my estimation. I'd rather not. Might as well just leave with dignity.
 
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Project: Eternity
Remember he said that he tried in Aussie to work the Cam structure, and again in London (and other places). And despite his slick presentation he demonstrated that he keeps getting kicked out of wherever he is by established kindred. I don't think that we will bring him back into the fold (yet), but he is clearly a skilled and connected (with kine) kindred.


Bullcracker honestly cannot think that we would be willing to throw away all of our kindred connections and power based on a random threat. His bullshit offer was just anchoring, by picking the right location, starting with a threat and saying that we should give up and come become his lackey, he is trying to set himself up as the dominant person. It also induces the feeling that we need to prove that we actually have power. I read his initial attack as a combination of anchoring and "negging". Actually, I consider it nothing more than blackmail, and we are foolish to be afraid of it. If he wanted to carry it out, he would burn resources and get nothing in return, but if we break then he gets power over us with little to no effort.

However, this does prove that Bullcracker is both smart, and competent. I am in impressed by Esquilax's reasoning, but not his offer. There is no need to offer Bullcracker our banking contacts because we have something more valuable to offer him, our goodwill. If Anthony becomes Senchenal then Bullcracker will finally get the Kindred connections he needs to keep from getting run out of town like the two-bit hustler he is. Despite the effort to put Anthony off-base, Anthony is actually the person in the position of strength here.

But enough ruminating, it’s time to make a decision…

I see our overall goals in the short to medium term are:
· Keeping control of Whitehall
· Become Senchenal under Vogel
· Don't be made an example of by Incoma

To do this, I propose the following strategic points:
· Keep our heads down as far as open fighting with the Sabbat
· Keep the Sabbat in check/thwarted
· Prove how useful we are to the Camarilla to Incoma
· Convince the other barons that Vogel is a good prince
· Don't cause, or be involved in any masquerade violations
· Expand our Kine and Kindred connection and influence
· Don’t give other barons ammunition to take to Incoma

Conversely, I think our biggest threats are (in order of risk):
1. One of the barons will be "made an example of" in the next 6 months...that gives us a 1 in 14, or less, chance of getting schwacked by our own side.
2. The vase coming back from the bin to murder us (ok perhaps not that, but instead some unknown narrative development)
3. Sabbat attack
4. Baron scheming not related to the envoy

It is a tribute to the Angelos attack that I consider the Sabbat a greater threat than other barons.


Using these criteria, let’s analyze the options.

A or B) If we accept his offer then we achieve goal three, but forever piss away our first two goals. These choices are off the table.

C) We risk gaining an embarrassing contact, but we also gain a way to gain intelligence; which helps us to keep the Sabbat in check without causing open fighting (aim the hunters). It also proves how useful we are to the Camarilla since we deal with said hunters. It also may increase our kine influence.

D) If we decline his terms and walk away, we keep from becoming connected with a possibly embarrassing Anarch, but we don’t advance any other strategic points.

E) If we pretend to agree but get found out, Bullcracker will likely cause a major masquerade violation on our behalf. In exchange we get to expose a Nosferatu that does not play well with the Camarilla. Doing so both shows the Camarilla is weaker (someone flaunting their rules) and pisses off someone who as the ability to do us harm. In exchange we show proof of the shocking revelation that the Nosferatu are not completely loyal. Needless to say I feel this option is also off the table.

After analyzing the options against our strategic points and risks, I feel that option C) is the best choice. However, I see no need to offer anything other than an alliance until Bullcracker proves how he can help us.





Something is still bothering me. I am not certain about how loyal Vogel is to us. As I understand, Vogel has made an alliance with us so we become Senchenal once he becomes prince. However, I feel no warm fuzzy that he has not made another, secret, alliance with a different kindred and will throw us over as soon as he wins. If that happens we will have little or no recourse other than to just take it, and that makes me nervous.
 

Esquilax

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After having thought about it, I am pretty certain that this isn't a ploy by some other Baron. These guys are who they say they are. Here's Oscar's character description from the Wild Nights LP:

Oscar Cronin

A Nosferatu entrepreneur of sorts, this Irish Kindred enjoyed the patronage of several London barons, enabling him to set up his own surveillance base away from the main warrens. While he appeared to lose the support of Anthony Sommers after the Two-Week War, Oscar's ever-growing success, even paying other Nosferatu to join his enterprise, suggests that he still enjoys the patronage of other important figures in the city - indeed, some amongst his clan have apparently even begun to treat him with envy and anger for selling their services privately.

Drifted away from most of his clan, selling his services privately - it all points to somebody apart from the Camarilla, i.e. Bullcracker.

Bullcracker honestly cannot think that we would be willing to throw away all of our kindred connections and power based on a random threat. His bullshit offer was just anchoring, by picking the right location, starting with a threat and saying that we should give up and come become his lackey, he is trying to set himself up as the dominant person. It also induces the feeling that we need to prove that we actually have power. I read his initial attack as a combination of anchoring and "negging". Actually, I consider it nothing more than blackmail, and we are foolish to be afraid of it. If he wanted to carry it out, he would burn resources and get nothing in return, but if we break then he gets power over us with little to no effort.


However, this does prove that Bullcracker is both smart, and competent. I am in impressed by Esquilax's reasoning, but not his offer. There is no need to offer Bullcracker our banking contacts because we have something more valuable to offer him, our goodwill. If Anthony becomes Senchenal then Bullcracker will finally get the Kindred connections he needs to keep from getting run out of town like the two-bit hustler he is. Despite the effort to put Anthony off-base, Anthony is actually the person in the position of strength here.

OK, but here's what you're saying: find the location of the Hunters for me, and in return, I'll give you nothing. This is a negotiation, and I don't think we can have a working relationship without at least some give-and-take. You're basically asking him to do shit for us for free. The promise of us becoming Seneschal doesn't really mean much for Bullcracker - if I were in his position, I'd be pretty fucking insulted by the offer. "So what, I find some Hunters for you, and in the very unlikely chance that you and your longshot pet Gangrel become real players then maybe you won't kick me out of the city? How could I possibly be sure of that? I'm the one taking all the risk here, yet you're offering me nothing in return." I don't think our goodwill means shit to Bullcracker if we don't have anything tangible to offer him. I agree that we have some negotiating leverage (after all, it was Bullcracker who brought us over in the first place) but that doesn't mean we can expect something for nothing.

For me, it's about costs versus benefits. The benefit of finding the Hunters before Turcov does and scoring major points with the Archon and catapulting Vogler's standing as a future Prince, as well as potentially using them to target the Sabbat, far outweighs the cost of giving up our banking contacts to Bullcracker. I don't want to fuck this negotiation up by insulting individuals that clearly have the skill-set we require. If you want to find these Hunters before Turcov does, you have to be prepared to offer something.

Something is still bothering me. I am not certain about how loyal Vogel is to us. As I understand, Vogel has made an alliance with us so we become Senchenal once he becomes prince. However, I feel no warm fuzzy that he has not made another, secret, alliance with a different kindred and will throw us over as soon as he wins. If that happens we will have little or no recourse other than to just take it, and that makes me nervous.

I doubt it. The other Barons, particularly the more established ones, would likely be making overtures to candidates that are more likely, such as Pell-mell Queen, Tarquin, and Julian Fox. Second, he's actually put some of his resources to use in order to help us out. He used his Venetian contact to get us a meeting with the Archon, and right now he's just told us that he's sent a few of his people down to London so that we can make use of them. Hell, he also suggested using his pull from Venice to bring in a fucking Assamite - this isn't a minor thing here. This suggests that the man has invested in us because we are his best (and probably only) shot at becoming Prince.
 
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Thanks for helping to clarify the Vogel relationship Esquilax.

Actually I am not suggesting that Anthony offers nothing. He is offering his goodwill and that is certainly worth a fair amount. Besides the option of getting the ear of the Senchenal if Vogel does become prince, Anthony is still a baron. As it stands, with his current power and connections Anthony has plenty of power and connections (kine and kindred) to offer this vagabond prince. Of course, this means that Bullcracker will have vested interest in making sure that Anthony succeeds, and I am OK with that too. Perhaps Bulllcracker would to set up a server farm on the down low and is looking for a safe place to put it, or hell, perhaps he wants to use Anthony to start making inroads into the Camarilla. Rather than a Quid pro quo, I am suggesting that Tony actually goes for a legitimate alliance.

I still agree about voting for C), I just think we might go about it a different way.
 

oscar

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It seems pretty clear that what Bullcracker is after is our financial and kine contacts.
 

ironyuri

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Ok.

I love Misfits, eventhough I also think it's shit. But regardless....

Anyway, I haven't voted. I'll vote whatever Esquilax suggests.

Fuck this Bullshitter guy though, who the fuck is he? Some random Nossie coming out of the woodwork with Oscar the Reliable at his right hand. Fuck this.
 

Running Fox

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Who the fuck are the Misfits and how can sheeple live with themselves when they vote whatever Esquiduck suggests? Fuck! Epitome of fail.
 

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