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Baltika9

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Even if you want to only peacefully interact with the Gieloth, C is still better because it allows you to communicate with any one of them around the world without needing to disturb their operations and draw in their enemies by searching for them. We can probably learn a decent amount of B in the course of using the ability that option C gives us. We don't need the specifics about Gieloth biology and history for a while, but C gives us an invaluable ability to access their positions and communications for whatever we decide to do.
Well the thing is, we might not need them for a while, but when we do need them, where are we going to get them? Remember, this Gieloth is a specialist on it's kind. And I'm pretty sure if we go back to it and ask for more information, it'll tell us to go fuck ourselves, or better yet, will fuck us itself. With tentacles. In multiple orifices. So, take the best out of this situation. Pick B, bro.
 

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Interesting and tough choice Treave.

AC

The :Honourblade: is interesting and potentially very useful but sounds like it has quite a few hidden flaws.

Being able to forge weapons from our very body is a damn useful skill. I do imagine though that someone could learn many of our powers if they were to capture it and absorb it (boil it down into a soup?)

Rewritten this post again, and deciding to play it lame and safe with the invisibility.
 

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When we do need them, we can track down any Gielith we want, because that's the point. Whether we ask them questions, mind rape or do whatever else is up to us, but we're well capable of getting that information if we have their communications and locations.

The sword losing out to light powers would be a shame, but it's just stupid to go for B in the first option when C can get you much of the B information in some way or another while also giving an extremely useful watch over their communications and locations. I can't see why we'd throw that away for the sake of a couple more specific details that might not even prove that useful.
 

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The biggest problem with 1C) is that we probably won't understand a lot of the communication between the Gieloth. We can get at stuff like emotions through telepathy, but we don't have the context to understand their culture, their hierarchies, their mission on this place, what they're doing with human beings, etc. Figuring all that shit out will be like playing a game of broken telephone in Chinese - we just don't have the appropriate context to understand them at the moment.

This is the biggest problem with 1C. B is the best on short term, but that knowledge is obtainable elsewhere pretty easily. C, on the other hand seems like a rare knowledge, and it is pretty great after we understand Gieloths better.

As for the second choice, I don't like C. What happens to the blade if we sleep 300 years? How are our powers when we lose it? Could it be used against us? Just too many unknowns. A and B are both pretty useless now against other immortals. Invisibility is easily countered by heightened senses and in hand-to-hand combat we can already beat everybody so we have no need for poison.

Voting:
1C
2B Flopped 2C
 

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it's just stupid to go for B in the first option when C can get you much of the B information in some way or another while also giving an extremely useful watch over their communications and locations. I can't see why we'd throw that away for the sake of a couple more specific details that might not even prove that useful.
I hardly think B is stupid. We're talking about THE Gieloth expert here. She might know virtually every weakness her kind has. We'd be able to eventually kill virtually any of them. The problem is that when weighed with the ability to track their movements, tap into their deepest secrets, avoid being surprised be them, learn all about every human government in the world and it's secrets, track important events, possibly communicate with them at will, etc - B just doesn't compare with C.

edit: btw, congrats to treave on another excellent choice - as evidenced by all this debate. ;)
 

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This is the biggest problem with 1C. B is the best on short term, but that knowledge is obtainable elsewhere pretty easily. C, on the other hand seems like a rare knowledge, and it is pretty great after we understand Gieloths better.

I disagree. Sukhenun is a scientist and researcher, I am sure that she has rare knowledge given her position in society. Still, C is pretty good too, particularly in conjunction with B.
 

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Which is why I said B was a stupid option, as C looks to be much better. That said, I'd appreciate B over nothing by a longshot, but seeing how we have the choice...

Edit: She does have rare information, but we've operated well without much knowledge of them and access to their communications is likely to provide the basics, as well as anything deeper if we track down their scientists. I feel that while C might take longer to get the secrets, the benefits are worth that wait.
 

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I feel that while C might take longer to get the secrets, the benefits are worth that wait.
Don't forget that with C we'd instantly know the state of the world and perhaps all enemy locations.

Even if we got her special knowlege, the fact is that Egypt was the one base of their power we knew about. We'd spend decades just tracking them down to use her knowlege against them.
 

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CC

1) Basically what lambchop said. B is really tempting, but C will help us not only with Gieloth, but almost all important current events in general. It's like having our own private spy network. And we may be able to use it to track down other Gieloth that can inform us on A or B.
2) Again, C is really tempting as it seems really powerful and something of a unique "quest reward". However, I worry about us becoming dependent on it and the consequences we'd suffer for losing it. B is a good complement to our current skill set. We're absolutely devastating in close quarters combat, and B will help us to close in on enemies and perhaps give us ranged lasers with further development. Which reminds me of something...

Physical prowess, shooting lasers from our body, manipulation of light:
super%2Bsaiyan%2B2.jpg


:yeah:

Treavebro, what's our power level?
 

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CBC

But second choice A is still intriguing.. maybe one day I'll really want to shapeshift into a Gieloth...
 

TOME

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Yes but it is a living piece of us. What happens if Shulgi decides to burn it? And if we are connected to it, could it be used to tortune us over distance?
 

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The sad part is the 'Dex picking lazors instead of a permakill for either Naram or Shulgi. Most likely Naram, he'll be the biggest problem, since he's subtle and will be almost impossible to track. And as for Shulgi, well, where there is a loud and powerful despot, there's Shulgi.
 

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Nothing much, you'll remember that our hand was already cut off and burned, and hands have much more feeling than ribs. We were just bummed to have lost the hand. In that case, though, she's teaching us to make other ones if we go for that option.
 

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The sad part is the'Dex picking lazors instead of a permakill for either Naram or Shulgi.

For me it's because of the immediate uses, we haven't really planned on shapeshifting, but creating the poison gland requires us to master shapeshifting. And for the honourblade, I think swords will eventually be replaced by rifles...
 

Baltika9

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Yes, well she also gives us a vial of the poison on the spot. One single dose for now, but that's one immortal down, if we can get our hands on him.
 

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Yes, well she also gives us a vial of the poison on the spot. One single dose for now, but that's one immortal down, if we can get our hands on him.

Still too dangerous, what if the others make we drink them?
And yeah, it's not that effective anyway if we can't create a gland for ourselves and.... that's right, transform our hand/fingers into a syringe...
 

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Sure the sword will be outdated, but it's not just a sword. It buffs everything, including presumably our ranged magic, which is a part of why I've been for it. I think that rejecting a sword because guns will be invented thousands of years in the future is kind of goofy... also, it might be that we could learn to upgrade it ourselves.
 

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Suddenly I get some nice solution for C...

treave can we shapeshift the sword, such as so that it becomes a gun & shoot gieloth poisons?
 

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I flopped to 2C). The sword seems much more fun. The fact that it's a sword is pretty irrelevant anyways. It could be a dildo ffs, the whole point is that it's a symbiotic weapon that grows stronger we do and augments our abilities. It's high-risk, but that's the point if you want the reward. B) will open up a new skill tree that we're going to have to invest a lot more time in to get better it, while C) advances all of our current skills to a higher level at the cost of a weakness.

Depends on whether it's worth it for you or not. For me, it's worth it.
 

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Guys, what about option D? (She makes us able to grow our own tentacles!)
:mhd:
 

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Damn Treave can we hear a bit more about this sword? I feel really lame and cautious for picking invisibility.

I'd also say that the toxin is a pretty solid investment if we were to go down the shapeshifting path (which I doubt, as its main benefit would be for a frail in combat immortal).
 

Esquilax

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Damn Treave can we hear a bit more about this sword? I feel really lame and cautious for picking invisibility.

Yeah, that's what didn't sit right with me. Ean isn't a hot-headed fool, but it just didn't feel appropriate for his character to not have a mighty signature weapon a la Mjolnir. Once we forge the Sword of Destiny, maybe it's time to go back home to Sumeria to rally the Sons of Marduk and lead our country once more.

:yeah:
 

TOME

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I'll flip flop too to 2C. Let's take the risk.
 

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Oh fine, jumping to 2C bandwagon... after a few thousand year we'll be able to learn light manipulation anyway form the gieloth memory inside us
And Ean should eat a lot more... to replace the lost rib that is...
 

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