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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    A1 crazy solo mission is the only option that stops our numbers from being thinned. Also in regards to Shulg, while it's true he is a bro, he may not be against the masters. Remember the master who was his lover all those years back. There's no guarantee that his feelings have changed at all.
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    That's not what I meant, exactly: yeah, they're expecting us to get there with a full assault force eventually. They most definitely are not expecting us to jump out, solo, just two days after half our Battlefleet was Vajra'd.
    This is a simple hit-and-run, didn't say anything about us dogfighting. Can we plausibly be forced into combat by their local defenses? Yes. Are we obliged to fight all of them? No.

    That would be an ideal battlefield for our big gun: zero friendly fire, everyone in there is a hostile. It's not like the weapon can teleport.
    :troll:

    And, no, Ean spent a couple hundred years bonding with the fragment. The Masters created it and tore it from him without much difficulty. After which, they had time to adjust it, it's their weapon now. I don't even see the point of getting Vajra for Ean now, at his level of power. What's a third of it going to do?
     
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  3. Esquilax Arcane

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    It's anything but simple. Remember the fight against Marduk?

    Vajra prevented the black hole from simply swallowing him up, don't you think the superweapon will have similar abilities? Then once we're revealed, they'll be able to take aim at us. I don't think that this is as simple as: walk in, fire a black hole, instawin. Even if we get a shot off, that's hardly a guarantee that it'll take the structure out.

    Oh, and good point about Ean's relationship with Vajra, you're right. I remember his encounter with the Master after his time in the rift
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  4. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Uh...
    What shield?
     
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  5. Kayerts Arcane

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    A few things to think about for this vote:

    1. Treave mentioned that Carneus Beta was the League's most fortified system, even more than Gelmark.
    2. Since the 20 space fortresses in Gelmark weren't mentioned in the battle, it seems safe to assume they're gone. (Edit: Esquilax already pointed this out.) They probably went toward making Carneus Beta even stronger.

    Carneus Beta is really, really well-defended right now. The League's dug in and will be attempting to shell us from there for the duration of the war.

    I'd suggest a modified A1, a super-rad stealth mission. We ask for a deity / high-level spirit on loan from our imperial allies, have him cloak us like Adrahasis did with his 10k ships, warp in solo, move into position, and obliterate Carneus B with our Stupidity Cannon. We'll take out their superweapon, their fortresses, Delta, and any other forces they have stationed there.
     
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  6. treave Arcane Patron

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    Where in the cockpit do you plan on stuffing him?
     
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  7. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    I can't remember whether shapeshifting powers work on others, but if they do...

    Shapeshift the stealth Spirit into a chiwawa for the interim.
     
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  8. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Can't he come with us in a ship of his own and cloack us both?
     
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  9. treave Arcane Patron

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    Why not just bring the head?

    If you want to have enough energy to fire the cannon and escape in such short time you don't want to have to carry the ship with you. And the Federation cruisers need a week to recharge.
     
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  10. Kayerts Arcane

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    Or, if he's particularly attached to his neck, we could just strap him to the outside of the CF. It's not like he can mess up our aerodynamics or anything.
    Sneaking another bro in is the easy part of this plan, I think.
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    Having him on the outside of a wormhole jump might not be ideal for the chap. Just saying. At any rate, I'm feeling rather lenient, so I'll hint for you guys to check out the basis for their cloaking powers first.
     
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  12. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE MODE!


    B1 - Link up with Ean for the warning, then wait and jump the fleet.

    Also, this would have been so much easier had we simply surrendered and used the bomb.:roll:

    edit: You know what, this whole timeline is probably going to result in a loss anyway: A1
     
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  13. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    :rage:

    They have a superweapon, so what? We'll just cloak Grimrock's ship and use it for ramming and take out enemy flagships before the battle begins.

    On a more serious note, the league is expecting us to make our way to carneus beta, solo or not. They'll be defending it with all they got. The problem is, if we wait for beta and gamma to arrive, they'll defend the systems leading to carneus beta just like delta did, getting free shot at us in every system. So we need to take out the superweapon as soon as possible. So either A1 or teaming up with Ean and bringing the whole fleet to take out the superweapon.

    Because this is anime and we cannot die, A1.
     
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  14. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    We WILL have someone's head in a jar before the end of this, Treave! Mark my words! :rage:

    Anyway, we could ask for the spirit to shapeshift into, say, a small child or something. I'm sure he won't mind the discomfort.
    I think invisibility comes from using telekinesis/photokinesis to block the entire EM spectrum, otherwise we would't have been sneaked at. Through bringing his head (IN A JAR!) also works for me, we can have Rei remake his old body later or something, so please put it as our first option.
     
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  15. Kayerts Arcane

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    Treave is being a true bro and hinting that we should rethink my brilliant plan to solo the enemy fortress system like a ninja; I guess this isn't really anime. :( Still, the flaw in the plan's not leaping out at me. Anyone else want to try to diagnose the problem?

    Cloaking powers are implied to be related to invisibility, which is known to be a form of light-bending. Would the problem be that visible light only includes a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, and thus a technology that prevents detection through light might leave us exposed to other frequencies (e.g., radio waves)? Although I'm not clear how Adrahasis got the drop on Senya if cloaking is that limited.
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Maybe because the scanners and radars that actually pick up enemy ships and CFs work off of electromagnetic signals/heat signatures/etc and not physical visibility.

    If you want a real stealth mission, we'd be better served by masking those signatures.

    I don't know why you'd want to do that, though. Once we fire our ridiculously big gun, we wan't to be as far from the shitstorm as possible. Firing it point-blank sounds like a bad idea, bro.
     
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  17. Kayerts Arcane

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    Agree about wanting to be far away, but if we can cloak, we can maneuver into a position that gives us a perfect shot. (Which will presumably be easier without hundreds of thousands of ships and millions of drones swarming us.) If the enemy doesn't realize they're under attack, they won't be able to attempt countermeasures against our black hole shot until it's too close for countermeasures to matter.

    (Maybe the process of charging up a shot emits too much electromagnetic radiation to mask?)
     
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  18. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Well, scienmagistically speaking, we only see a quite small part of the EM spectrum.

    One of the powers Ean could get was light manipulation AKA Photokinesis. I'm thinking Photokinesis is somesort of telekinetic manipulation of photons. So if we block all the EM or most of it with photokinesis we can sneak in, but theorically will be blind unless immortal powers can compesate for it somehow.
    A possible alternative is to sneak in, look, make calculations (where is the weapon >>> where it will be), open cloak, drop cloak, find weapon, shoot it, open cloak, leave.
    we best shoot from a position where we can reliably calculate its position and yet be far away enough that light-lag will delay them from finding where we really are. Depending on how its moving Senya could simply numbercrunch and predict where it will be, and then shoot it.

    Would this option be A4 or C?
    So heres what we do:
    Senya goes solo to Cerneus, taking a cloak-capable Spirit or even deity with him (this shit is too important). This deity will shapeshift himself into a smaller form to fit our cockpit and uses its photokinetic powers to cover us. We enter under cloak and shoot the Anihilator Cannon on the V-Cannon from as far as possible and go back once we confirm a kill.
     
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  19. Esquilax Arcane

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    Baltika9, I forgot about that. I guess the reason that Marduk was able to withstand a hit from a black hole is because he had two pieces? Is that right, treave?

    Well, a few things could go really badly: (1) we're hitting a wormhole to get to Carneus Beta, so the potential for Master fuckery intercepting us is there - this is how our previous meeting occurred, after all. (2) Alpha Armada might be there, in which case we are royally fucked. If they are still on their way to Carneus Beta, we're golden. I would say that at the very least, that this is a reasonable spot for Epsilon to be and the lack of fortresses here implies that they've been moved to Carneus Beta. (3) If you're really paranoid, Mere could be lying or misinformed about some things. I don't think she is, but there might be more to this.

    I don't know, I just find the nature of this mission too high-risk and too greedy. I'm not opposed to taking risks at all, but trying to hit their most well-defended system solo when they are expecting us to arrive there at some point is well... insane. I'd much rather regroup with Ean's force and work around Project V for the time being using our newfound knowledge - there are other ways. They might not be 100% reliable, but we can adjust our tactics accordingly, and we've still got our own superweapon hidden, to boot.
     
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  20. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Guys, don't over-think this. We are a pitch-black, thirty foot tall object in the void of the cosmos. I don't think visual visibility is an issue. Sure, if there are ways to shield us from radars and scanners, I'm all for it.

    But a lone, unidentified signature at the edge of their most fortified system is more likely to be treated as an anomaly that warrants investigation and not "OH SHI- FIRE FIRE FIRE!" if these guys are anything at all like a professional army/navy/whatever. For all they know, it may be the friendlies coming in. All we need is time to line up our shot and we're outta there. I don't want to be anywhere near this place when our black holes collide.
     
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  21. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Bro, there is a law in Hard-sci (this is not hard-sci through, well, at least the anime part), and it is:
    "In Space, Everyone Can See Everything."
    Space is a information-perfect enviroment. Only issue is light-speed lag. With today's technology we could see a little probe going in the kuiper belt simply by using infra-red and seeing a little dot of high temperature amidst the cold cosmos. Something like Senya mech probably looks like a Christimas Tree with futuristic tech.

    Granted, this story also has cloaking IN SPACE but I'm betting its EM manipulation, that is doable if a bit magitech.
     
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  22. Esquilax Arcane

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    That makes it worse. They would immediately be suspicious of a lone signal, because if it were friendlies coming in, there would be a whole fleet of them, not a lone signal out on the edge of space. Ever heard of Stanislav Petrov?

    treave even mentioned this before:

    We shouldn't immediately be resorting to these insane plans right off the bat. Let's look for alternatives before going on a fool's errand into Carneus Beta on our own.
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Bro, what I'm saying is this: we don't need much time in the system. Identify and acquire target -> charge and shoot and make the shot -> GTFO.

    Unless we accidentally teleport into the center of their fortresses, they will need time to: notice the appearance of a small signature on their radar-> notify a patrol/hail us (identify yourself or be fired upon)-> get a response-> aim and fire.

    And it's risky, yes, but even then:
    Anhur-Shu is specialized for mobility/survivability.
    Senya's and Rei's skills at dodging are supernatural.
    A target the size of Anhur'Shu will be extremely difficult to hit from a distance.
    All we need is one shot.
    Senya and Rei are awesome at these things.

    I'd be down for consolidating and regrouping, if we weren't sitting ducks. We know about their cannon. But the know that we know, too. They'll be smarter in employing it now, too.
    Yes, it's hella risky, but the bottom line is: risk, or the lives of our men are in danger. Ean and Shulgi help us if that cannon nicks our bomb (oh wait, they can't do shit).

    And the whole point of declaring the war, instead of taking an elite crew to the Masters' dimension, was to get as big an invasion fleet into their dimension as possible, no?
     
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  24. ScubaV Prophet

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    A1. A2 and A3 just waste precious time. And I don't like just letting the super weapon go uncontested with any B choice. Once word gets out that we know about the super weapon, the Council will not only make efforts to protect it even more, they also will have nothing stopping them from firing it every cooldown. They don't have to hide it any more. Yes A1 is risky, but it's also the only real choice as I see it. I'd rather have to contend with Alpha alone right now, than Alpha + every other fleet and dwindled numbers on our side from free super weapon pot shots.

    treave, what is the rest of our force going to do if we jump in solo?
     
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  25. treave Arcane Patron

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    Yup, EM manipulation. When we're charging up the Cannon you might as well ask him to hide the sun. From a gravity well perspective, I mean. The amount of energy going into creating those black holes and keeping them under control is rather big. The gravity wings alone is too much tech trickery for him to compensate for. Basically, they can't cloak you at all when you use any of your fancy tech. Any attempt at shifting the EM is overpowered by the black holes.


    Since the jump is almost instantaneous for you the fleet is not going to do anything but repair and hope you make it back in one piece.

    The reason the Emperor managed to respond to the first hit in time was because of the Vajra shield.
     
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