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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Kayerts Arcane

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    But assuming we just use our standard propulsion systems upon entry into the system, we can position ourselves ideally before we decloak, no?
     
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  2. treave Arcane Patron

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    You don't have a standard reactor in the first place, but I can handwave that away. This still means you have to cloak after entering the system because a wormhole is nothing if not fancy tech.

    Also, the question arises of whether there is an ideal position in the first place, considering the sheer number of fortifications you're up against. Since you can't cloak while you're charging up the weapon, I don't really see the point. But perhaps there's a plan for that.

    Speaking of which, A1 appears to be winning rather handily - and now it has - so you guys can spend the next... 8 hours or so discussing just how you're going to handle Carneus Beta. If something convincing pops up that'd be swell.

    I mentioned before that going in and blowing up Gelmark's forts with your super cannon isn't going to be that simple, even with the backing of a fleet. Now we take away the allied fleet and add a lot more defenses. Hm, I'm sure that tactic will be viable now...

    It's a pity you don't have a map of the system's fortifications, though since they're movable it would be a bit pointless, don't know the exact number of forces you'll be facing and don't know the full extent of Vajra Shula's capabilities, as Mere admitted she doesn't have the full details. There's no guarantee that you won't come out right on top of their fortifications. The big sensor arrays mounted on fortresses would have better range and accuracy than that of a dinky mech. Also, they're not going to waste time asking that mysterious fellow what just popped out of nowhere to identify themselves. Why would they? You approach Carneus Beta without an IFF, you will be blown up. Any one who's supposed to be here knows the codes to be here.

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. ScubaV Prophet

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    Well there's always rewind if it comes to that. Best get hopping to those plans bros, I've got sleep and then work to do. See you in 20 hours. :smug:
     
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  4. Esquilax Arcane

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    Now, I am having an extremely difficult time envisioning any scenario in which we can load up our weapon and fire the cannon without them swarming us with a zillion drones as we feebly attempt to get a shot off. This place is on high-alert and armed to the teeth, they are going to know what we're up to very quickly.

    But, maybe we don't need to wait that long to create a blast powerful enough to take out the system. What we need to do is get them to attack us in such a way that it causes a premature, uncontrolled blast of the Annihilation Cannon. We are going to get hit a lot doing this, but the Energy Armor upgrade will allow us to tank shots to an extent. That being said, I don't see how anybody can tank the millions of shots from fortresses and drones that we're going to be taking - we'd barely last more than a few seconds.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that we'll be arriving at Carneus Beta instantaneously thanks to the wormhole. This means that for the time being, we won't have to worry about getting taken out by a shot of Vajra Shula hiding within their drone swarms. Their superweapon would still be recharging once we get there.

    So yeah, that's pretty much the only way I see us winning: cause a premature and uncontrolled blast of the Annihilator Cannon that will end up wiping out the system. Since there's no fucking way we'll have enough time to load up a shot before they're on us, the next best thing would be to get attacked in such a way that our weapon's full potential is unleashed. I am not sure the best way to go about creating the conditions for such a thing to happen, but I see it as our sole route to victory here.
     
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  5. treave Arcane Patron

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    Being in the same system as a system-annihilating blast generally isn't preferred, but sure. It'd definitely be bad for the Vajra Shula too.
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Let's not be so dramatic now, I think there is another way.
    Right now, we're in a scenario similar to Uranus, in that there are no friendlies around and that's good, that meams everyone's a target and that means we can use the maneuverability of the frame to our advantage. We may not be faster or more agile than before, but our Dynamic Duo (how come that wasn't a chapter name yet?) had enough practice with dodging fire and drones to be comfortable with this, I'm sure. If they slip up, they have that little extra bit of body armor to bail them out.

    Also, they can use it to AoE/ram themselves out of difficult situations.

    As I see it, the League made Carneus Beta a fortified artillery position. The fortresses that are no doubt here will most likely have some high power/long range cannons and smaller weapons systems coming out the ass. We can duck, weave and teleport to use their fire to our advantage. Hell, we may be able to even send a few stray shots at Vajra or other fortresses. All we need to do is time it properly and Senya is a master at that. In fact, if Anhur-Shu had enough muscle to literally slam SuperDwaggonMarduk through a planet and punt Imperial ships, can we perhaps grab enemy ships to use as "human" shields? (I know, completely fucking insane.)

    Once we've cleared the field enough with our shenanigans, we'll just need to squeeze off a black hole large enough to swallow Vajra. Barring any Master dickery, we should be fine.

    Option number three: we steal Vajra and repurpose it as our CF's personal sniper rifle for maximum ownage.
     
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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    Fortresses happen to be a good place to store lots of drones. Lots. It might be shocking, but the same tactic might not be as effective against different doctrines. Not to say it won't be, but 'clearing the field' just so that there's enough space for you to pause and charge might take a day of full combat.
     
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  8. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Okay, grab a ship by it's stern and swing it to clear an area. Use friendly fire against the drones. Teleport, or kite a large enough amount and fry them with our shields. Fire on the hangar doors.
    Ram the fortresses.

    Also, can Rei take over mobility while we charge the cannon, or must we stand absolutely still?
     
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  9. treave Arcane Patron

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    You could move. But you'd also lose control of the black holes. The calculations have to be rather precise. Since you don't have a quantum computer to handle it.
     
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  10. Esquilax Arcane

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    By "lose control" of the black holes, do you mean lose control of their power or lose control of where we fire them? If it's the latter, then with the sheer power and blast radius on our cannon, this isn't really a problem. The blast will be so large and powerful that there's no way it won't hit something.
     
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  11. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Okay, four questions:
    How smart are these drones, can we trick them to strike an enemy like Senya did with the heat-seeking missiles, or are they advanced enough to avoid that?
    How long do Rei and Senya think they can go non-stop?
    Can we not use the local planets, space debris and wrecks as cover?
    In fact, can we MacGyver a jamming field strong enough to mask our EM signature with radiation? Since radiowaves are a form of radiation and all?
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    I take it our big gun can leave radiation in it's wake?
     
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  12. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Hmmm, lemme think...


    We could get there cloaked, sneak into the midst of a fleet or somewhere crownded, then we squeeze a shot and then bolt.

    Remember that a lot of our advantage versus the Devourer was the fact we were plunging into a fleet and causing a lot of friendly fire. They won't start firing ridiculous weaponry before they acertain WTF is up, and if we cloak and go through stuff, we can decloak and fire on the right time and wormhole our way out.

    So, there's what we will do:

    Get a deity or spirit (whatever we need) to shapeshift into a smaller form. Go into the other system, cloak with the deity's help, sneak somewhere crownded, acquire target, decloak, fire at the V Cannon, bolt.

    Who's up for this?
     
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  13. Esquilax Arcane

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    The Brazilian Slaughter, we've mentioned several times why this won't be as simple as taking a shot and bolting. That strategy won't work at all. Oh, and guys, stop comparing this situation to our fight at Uranus - the doctrines, strategies and abilities between the League and the Empire are very different. Again, here is the comparison between their differing philosophies:

    Now, we must consider our frame's abilities and how we can utilize them, first and foremost.

    Okay, the issue is that we need to be in the same area long enough to get a shot off. However, our ramming abilities with VII create some interesting opportunities not just for offense, but for clever defense in helping us advance past the fortresses while taking a few out along the way. Look at this:

    Okay, I am assuming that our ramming abilities are strong enough to push a super-heavy battleship, which I could be wrong about. But we can do this, potentially: ram into a super-heavy battleship, using it as a makeshift shield as we prepare our Annihilator Cannon. The super-dense armor on the shield will give us precious seconds to prepare as millions of particles and drones descend upon us. But to get to us, they'd have to get through the battleship, first. Once that happens and the battleship has been taken out to get to us, our shot is loaded up and we can fire it towards the enemy fortresses as we head towards the Vajra Shula.

    There are plenty of things that could go wrong with this though. The main issue is that it assumes that we aren't getting flanked, so we can't do it deep inside the enemy's lines, we have to be advancing towards them and relatively sure that there's nobody behind us. We probably would need to fire a second shot to actually get to the superweapon, but I think this would be a great initial shock-and-awe attack that would wipe out many of their fortresses (which are carrying their drones).

    The other issue is that once they fire at the battleship we're using as a shield, the resulting explosion will hurt us because we don't have the VII upgrade that allows us to absorb explosions. I don't know whether that could fuck up our ability to fire black holes.
     
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  14. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Esquilax, your points are good. I was thinking of going in crownded space as a defense both from detection and enemy attacks.

    The ramming is indeed a good idea.
    I believe we can fuse both plans into something workable, let's get to it!

    We will keep the cloaking on the plan?
     
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  15. Esquilax Arcane

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    I'd like to post our loadout:

    Fusing III with the use of rammed ships as makeshift defensive shields is how we'll deal with the drones as we advance. While we're ramming, we can't actually see in front of us, right? But with the Ring Slaves, this isn't a problem; we can warp our own fire in front of us as we're using an unlucky battleship as a shield, allowing us to take out drones as they approach us (or rather, the ship that we're using to protect ourselves with) without actually being able to see them. As the drones descend, we can warp our own fire ahead of the battleship to destroy the drones as they're coming in. Whatever drones we don't get will hit our "shield".

    If the ship is about to explode, that's where the Tactical Warp System comes in. The ability of the Gravity Wings to immobilize the enemy will also be really useful, as we need to keep our "shield" right where we want it as we're moving forward or loading up the Annihilator Cannon.
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I really like that idea (that's why we work together, after all), but I have to wonder, will that superheavy battleship withstand a shot from a fortress' biggest cannon? Sure, we can power through a drone rush, but we may have to switch the ships we're using as shields via the teleport system. I wonder if our drones can warn us of incoming fire.
     
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  17. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    So we sneak in cloaked, then hide behind battleships and such, shooting drones and jumping with our ring slaves while we charge the Anihilator Cannon, warping through new cover once our old is destroyed.

    Sounds dangerously like... :popamole:

    But it is a quite good idea, indeed.
    So can anybody word it in a good, non-ambiguous and inteligent way as a choice?
     
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  18. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I think you summarized it best:

    :popamole:
    Gears of Epic: Senya Effect.
     
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  19. treave Arcane Patron

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    I think you might be slightly underestimating the effect of having literally millions of drones acting in concert to suppress your movements. They're more agile and smarter than missiles, six of them would give an average CF pilot a lot of trouble. Think less guided missile, more unmanned dogfighter. Obviously not easy to jack or jam either.

    As for using ships as shields, probably workable except not all super-heavies are as heavily armoured. Only the flagships, probably. But regular ships would do... as long as you keep moving. The sheer amount of drones means that you'll be attacked from all angles long before you can reach a battleship. Which means you aren't charging. But there are ways around that.
     
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  20. Baltika9 Arcane

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    In that case, I guess we need a full guerrilla-fighter/anti-drone loadout for this: EMP mines and missiles, dirty tricks, flares, scrambling devices, etc...

    That won't be enough, however. If the aftermath of our cannon can indeed produce a trace of radiation, then we may want to try masking our own EM signature behind that. Or use nukes.
    I'm assuming the drones will be rather confused by that.

    Other than that, yeah, teleportation is our friend in this plan. I'm voting for it.

    Edit: this will either be EPIC or Epic Fail.
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  21. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    I want to be a Marduk :retarded:
     
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  22. treave Arcane Patron

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    Spend too much time destroying the drones or otherwise focusing on them and... hey, that's exactly what they want. While you were busy fighting the very disposable drones, they've gotten into place to particle beam you to death. Such a pity you don't have a fleet around to attract their attention. And there's still the matter of getting enough space to nail the Vajragun with the Annihilation Cannon...

    If I were Senya, the only time I'd draw everyone's attention to myself would be as a distraction, or when I've set up the battlefield to make it a viable tactic. For example, jumping in alone and being an unkillable pest is a good way of, say, harassing them to the extent that they try to turn the Vajragun on me instead of supporting their armadas, who now suddenly don't get to play their trump card when they least expect it, setting them up for a devastating defeat at the hands of Ean's fleet.

    It's also rather a pity no one thought to follow Delta, ram their flagship, and steal any targeting drones onboard so that we could figure out how to spoof the signal and do other wacky things to their targeting.

    Turn their reliance on the superweapon into their weakness. Which can be done without going straight for the superweapon the moment we find out about it. It is rather interesting that the first reaction we have here once we find out about the enemy superweapon isn't 'let's test our knowledge of the superweapon via a series of careful skirmishes and begin devising a plan to negate its advantage in battles with the enemy armada', but 'let's go blow up the superweapon! Now!'. :lol:

    Oh well. It's a good thing Senya is a 'tactical genius'.

    edit: Ah, right - losing control of the Annihilation Cannon means that you're near the epicentre of a system-annihilating blast. Simple as that.
     
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  23. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Oh, he is. I'm not.

    Still, why put our guys at risk when we have a chance to avoid a troublesome situation entirely, in the first day of the invasion, no less? Our guys will get a humongous morale boost, their guys will get the opposite, their fortified artillery position will be left wide open and Swicks will probably be relieved of command.
    Then again, I'm pretty shortsighted and honestly didn't really think of those other options. Honestly, so long as Anhur-Shu isn't destroyed or totaled for more than a month, both the pilots live and are fit to fight, and Vajra gets black hole'd, I'm chalking it up as a win. Brute force isn't elegant, but it works (I hope). We'll get Ean bro-points as a bonus.

    And, hey, we've been getting him in these situations from the very beginning. I'd like to think he's become adjusted to this crap, as much as one can.
     
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  24. treave Arcane Patron

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    Speaking of tactical genius, there's that League shuttle Mere was on. I wonder if we can cannibalize its IFF...
     
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  25. Kayerts Arcane

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    We can also use objects larger than battleships as shields, no? E.g., fortresses? Moons? Planets? (I hear those absorb hits pretty well, not that Senya's seen much evidence of that.) Cloaking immediately and lining up a shot from a crater in a nearby moon seems plausible. When we appear on the other side, we'll be a weird invisible signal that doesn't seem to be hurt by light fire. That's odd, but not so odd that I'd expect them to respond with a bombardment from the full fleet.

    When was ramming Delta an option?
     
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