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Inactive [LP CYOA] Overlord

lightbane

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Random question I got after reading the last update: Can Erdrick's Angelic Halo be broken if it is directly targeted by a powerful attack? Would he suffer physical pain if that happened? And would he be able to regenerate/heal it under normal circumstances?
 

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Let's try and find out by asking Rin to hit it with her best shot while Zayan observes and makes notes.
 

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this CYOA is fast like hell.

Regarding this... not really. Taking a look at some previous stuff and where they were 3 months in...

Epic:
73 updates
Become immortal
Fight Egypt
TENTACLES
Fight rebellion for king
Fight king
Become king
Fight Egypt
TENTACLES
Get mindfucked
Fight temple
TENTACLES
Fight shepherd
Fight Egyptian civil war
Fight Babylon
BATTLE FOR TJARU with TENTACLES
Get fucked up, lose powers
Reunite with TENTACLES
Meet Goddess of Love
Meet Minos
Fight Minotaur
THESEUS
Get fucked up, becomes SPIRIT EATER
Return to Babylon
Fight TENTACLES
Return to Egypt
Fight TENTACLES
Arrival at Olympus

Legend:
58 updates
Saved pretty tribal princess
Sent out into the world, get fucked up, met Killer Doc
TRAINING
Faffed around, met Bearded Psycho, get fucked up
TRAINING
Partially unfucked
Enter tournament, pig-mask shenanigans ensue
Meet tribal princess again
Pick up scholar from brothel, sell condom rights
Pirate island
HUNDRED MAN BATTLE
Get fucked up
Haunted mansion

Spiral:
46 updates
Weird shit happens, gets bullied, get fucked up, dies
STRANGE BACKSTORY HINTS
Falls off a building trying to be Spiderman and dies
STRANGE BACKSTORY HINTS
Running from pool ghost
More running
STRANGE BACKSTORY HINTS
Opens door in a panic, dies
Players now 500% more confused than before.

Overlord:
36 updates
Negotiate with Demon King
Get fucked up
HANDSOME PRINCE BETRAYAL
Become an angel
Goblins: Conquered
Fight shady holy knights
Fight shady holy knights pt II
HANDSOME PRINCE RESCUE
Mining town, recruit inventor, silence her guards
HANDSOME PRINCE REUNION
Capital banquet, duel

Yup, it definitely looks like I'm losing steam, actually.
 

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B>A>D>G>E

As much as I want to use C, it may bring the place down around our heads.

And I don't want to reveal gigadyne or our spell that can protect against lightning. I don't want to take the risk that someone in the audience could somehow learn or reverse engineer such powerful spells.

G may be just as bad as using our battle aura may prompt the archmage to enter the fray as he possesses BB's rival.
 

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G may be just as bad as using our battle aura may prompt the archmage to enter the fray as he possesses BB's rival.
How so?

It's not like he doesn't know - Athos and Barbatos had sensed each other already and I assume Athos told his buddy just as Barbos did us.

So why exactly would an old mage run and plunge into a duel he has no business having when he gave us hints before that he wants to observe us, not fight us?
 

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How so?

It's not like he doesn't know - Athos and Barbatos had sensed each other already and I assume Athos told his buddy just as Barbos did us.
Yes, yes, but just seeing us with the unmanifested Barbatos prompted a staring contest between the two of us. I'd rather not risk provoking a full confrontation.

Also - and this is just a theory - we have no idea how much control Athos might be exerting over archmage. He may just be really vocal like Barbatos, but even a tiny pice of Athos was able to turn Rin against us. Who knows what effect Athos has on normal human minds. It could be that Athos' want to fight Barbatos will cause a confrontation regardless of what the archmage desires.
 

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It could be that Athos' want to fight Barbatos will cause a confrontation regardless of what the archmage desires.
Athos was also shown a coward who is afraid of Barbatos - and a schemer, too.

The possibility of him fighting us in a straight up battle is negligible. He is more likely to come up with some strange fuckery.

Taking a look at some previous stuff and where they were 3 months in...

Overlord: 36 updates

Yup, it definitely looks like I'm losing steam, actually.
It is more like: a month and a half - 29 updates. The month after that - 7 updates (from 8A and up).

If there is any steam lost at all, it's a recent happening, not a long-term tendency. :M

There might be an issue of not much happening in the story, considering that a single duel got stretched over 3-4 updates, but that's another matter entirely.
 
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Athos was also shown a coward who is afraid of Barbatos - and a schemer, too.

The possibility of him fighting us in a straight up battle is negligible. He is more likely to come up with some strange fuckery.
Yes, I have to admit, it's a slim chance, but I'd rather not chance it at all. But it is one of my conditionals - unlike C which is just overkill and will probably get us squished by a falling roof seeing as how we can't currently move.
By the way, Nev. Do you have any plans with making little plot summary (I mean, in future) like you did with Myth? It could actually help newfags as me... this CYOA is fast like hell.
Erdrick Mercant was a hedonistic merchant's son/lazy scholar who got drafted when some bloke had a "vision from the goddesses" that he would defeat the demon lord. He fought through a horde of demons and became a level 40 badass. But when he finally made it to the demon lord, he noticed the demon had a hot succubus daughter. He sold out humanity for the hottie - who wouldn't - but sadly, the godesses had placed a magic nuke in the form of a necklace around his neck as a little insurance policy. It blew up and sent him and the demon lord to death's door.

Erdrick's friends - apart from the beautiful Mieren, assumed him a traitor. When Mieren defended him, Kyle Theseon murdered her in a jealous rage.

As Erdrick's former friends left him to die, the demon made him a final offer. To eat his demon heart - the fruit of his research - and transform. Erdrick did and became an angel - which in this world is capable of drawing on tremendous amounts of magic and, incidentally, is quite bloodthirsty.

Erdrick then allied with the demon's daughter, who wants to somehow retrieve her father's "research" that Erdrick ate. Mieren's body and severed head were recovered and Erdrick froze her with magic in the hopes of finding a way to restore her to life someday.

Erdrick quickly amassed allies. A small goblin village. A talented inventor who is on the run from her country. Barbatos - a talking artifact gauntlet of an achient demon king. And two teenage children who have some small talent for fighting.

He also rescued one of the princes of the kingdom his goblin village is squatting in and was invited by said prince to this grand ball.
 
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There might be an issue of not much happening in the story, considering that a single duel got stretched over 3-4 updates, but that's another matter entirely.

It wouldn't be stretched if you'd picked not to do it, or just done it yourself from the start, or didn't screw over Arlin by picking the only choice with "ARLIN MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS" somewhere in the wording, or actually just accept that you lost the bet afterwards. :M
 

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And you'll never run out of deus ex machina chances as long as you keep being the Codex.

:happytrollboy:
 

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Don't forget that we're supposed to be a bad guy and scheming for global domination, due the CYOA's title. So far though, some may consider that Erd is not 100% malevolent and would like for him to do more evil stuff. Some of the evil/morally grey things he has done so far include:

- Sentencing a bunch of zealots that tried to kill him on sight to be tortured to death (although Rin is quite bad at this, unfortunately).
- Blackmailing a governor.
- Killing a bunch of innocent bodyguards in order to "kidnap" said inventor.

But fear not, we'll get to eat babies for breakfast and/or wear clothes made with baby seals at some point.

Regarding this... not really. Taking a look at some previous stuff and where they were 3 months in...
Fuck up... Fuck up... Fuck up...

Hmm, I see that the Codex doesn't always pick the best choices. Still, that Epic lp sounds interesting. I may give it a look at some point.

PS: Also, about Arlin: I didn't expect the boy had actually a chance to win, but it seems he could have done it after all. Oh well, we'll not underestimate him in the future. Perhaps we can let him have the date with Westy, while Erd takes care of Elmont. That would be a fair reward for him.:M
 
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I am not complaining - and the path that lead us to this place was quite fun.

Also, we now have the Battle Premonition modified to work with others... can't wait to try in on Rin. Also, DOUBLE DATE! :M

If you are fine with a slower pace (I remember you speeding certain parts of Legend because we were just fooling around and weren't getting things done), then there is nothing to worry about.

didn't screw over Arlin by picking the only choice with "ARLIN MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS" somewhere in the wording
Then it wouldn't be Zhang Jue training. :rpgcodex:

It is all about expanding your limitations, and we fully expect Arlin to take on Belbro next time.
 
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Regarding this... not really. Taking a look at some previous stuff and where they were 3 months in...

Epic:
73 updates
Become immortal
Fight Egypt
TENTACLES
Fight rebellion for king
Fight king
Become king
Fight Egypt
TENTACLES
Get mindfucked
Fight temple
TENTACLES
Fight shepherd
Fight Egyptian civil war
Fight Babylon
BATTLE FOR TJARU with TENTACLES
Get fucked up, lose powers
Reunite with TENTACLES
Meet Goddess of Love
Meet Minos
Fight Minotaur
THESEUS
Get fucked up, becomes SPIRIT EATER
Return to Babylon
Fight TENTACLES
Return to Egypt
Fight TENTACLES
Arrival at Olympus

Legend:
58 updates
Saved pretty tribal princess
Sent out into the world, get fucked up, met Killer Doc
TRAINING
Faffed around, met Bearded Psycho, get fucked up
TRAINING
Partially unfucked
Enter tournament, pig-mask shenanigans ensue
Meet tribal princess again
Pick up scholar from brothel, sell condom rights
Pirate island
HUNDRED MAN BATTLE
Get fucked up
Haunted mansion

Spiral:
46 updates
Weird shit happens, gets bullied, get fucked up, dies
STRANGE BACKSTORY HINTS
Falls off a building trying to be Spiderman and dies
STRANGE BACKSTORY HINTS
Running from pool ghost
More running
STRANGE BACKSTORY HINTS
Opens door in a panic, dies
Players now 500% more confused than before.

Overlord:
36 updates
Negotiate with Demon King
Get fucked up
HANDSOME PRINCE BETRAYAL
Become an angel
Goblins: Conquered
Fight shady holy knights
Fight shady holy knights pt II
HANDSOME PRINCE RESCUE
Mining town, recruit inventor, silence her guards
HANDSOME PRINCE REUNION
Capital banquet, duel

Yup, it definitely looks like I'm losing steam, actually.

So it seems that your assasination I mean my plans to send you pretty package will be delayed a bit. I mean, not that I plan to kill every other storyteller at Codex to get power to become only one. Who could ever think about it?

It was Nev, he told you, yes?! I will get that traitor.
 

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PS: Also, about Arlin: I didn't expect the boy had actually a chance to win, but it seems he could have done it after all.

Could've eked out a win and still keep your hand hidden with the right spell. Otherwise, Wisteria would offer a draw as a face-saver after he hangs on long enough to make a good impression on everyone. A win with more blatant magic is still a win, but decreases your reputation at the end of the night.

If you are fine with a slower pace (I remember you speeding certain parts of Legend because we were just fooling around and weren't getting things done), then there is nothing to worry about.

The next time we return to Grahferde, we'll be engaging in base expansion and a pretty brief time skip.

Also to begin addressing the long-awaited issue of angel reproduction.
 

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Could've eked out a win with the right spell.
Well, then I am at a loss.

This is a world that takes inspiration from JRPGs and their mechanics, with superheroes, ranks and all that. At least, that's what comes to mind first, with a single Overlord thwarting a team of 70 trained soldiers single-handedly while simultaneously covering for two kids.

Stats mean so much in this world - a character with a B rank can kill nigh infinite hordes of F mooks - that they seem to be a solid indicator of what one can and can't do, and vice versa - one's position in the pecking order could give us a good hint as to what their stats are.

So when they are talking about knights, and the best there are in the kingdom, too, I imagine someone of D rank at least. If it's someone who is the best of the best, I would place them at C. Elite mooks - like the paladins that fought us in Erise - could be Es, with the regular soldiers as Fs. That's more or less how I see the hierarchy of physical power in the setting.

When the numbers for the spells were shown (which, I know, is not 'canon' and is not supposed to be used as an argument in any way), each rank was 4 times better than the previous one. This somewhat ties in with the quality of the spells - we can summon 10 times more rank F wolves than rank D tigers, yet the tigers are supposed to be more effective (higher tier spell), making them better than 10 wolves. The rough math holds (D creatue ~ 16 F creatures).

Now, Arlin has his fighting skills firmly in mid-Fs, maybe in low-Es with a few buffs. And I would place Wisteria somewhere about D - she as a fighter seems to take about the same spot that Elmont does as a mage - and that one can cast rank C spells. There was just no way I could make myself believe that a kid who only took a sword in his hands a month ago could have beaten a seasoned warrior even with a moderate increase to raw stats. For me, their duel was not about quantity, but about quality - changing the game entirely rather than slightly modifying it. Being invulnerable for a brief instance, for example, would do it - an opponent would strike hoping to finish it in one move, and expose themselves, not expecting a retaliation. Being more sturdy, with, say the Mage's armor... I am unsure how much help it would have been.

Of course, that's not how it works in real life, where even a David can defeat a Goliath, but I didn't think - and am still not sure, to be honest - that the setting follows the same conventions. If one takes on someone two ranks above them, they'd better have a trick up their sleeve, artefacts up the wazoo, or a good party to have a prayer in hell.
 
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Wist takes it rather seriously. :?

In fact, the way I see it, the only reason she didn't go straight for the jugular and didn't open with her Ultimate Tech is that she held an illusion of her superiority for a while. Once that was gone, the kid gloves were off - or that's how it appeared to me.

Just mentioning that I am getting mixed signals about what to expect from our characters. :M
 
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Not underestimating Arlin doesn't mean she will go all out and crush him with all her might, or use more strength than she thinks necessary to defeat him. It also doesn't necessarily mean she is estimating him correctly. Arlin needed an opportunity to exploit a lapse in her judgement.

No mixed signals here, only assumptions. :M
 

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Wist takes it rather seriously. :?

In fact, the way I see it, the only reason she didn't go straight for the jugular and didn't open with her Ultimate Tech is that she held an illusion of her superiority for a while. Once that was gone, the kid gloves were off - or that's how it appeared to me.

It's just a formal duel, so everyone will attempt to restrain themselves from doing lethal blows (including fireballs and other magic attacks that by all means should be considered lethal hazards). Any damage done is easily restored by spending a night of good rest at the closest inn/saving at a save point.

Now seriously, I don't think this universe fully uses JRPG elements. It has been shown that study and practice can also increase one's skill significantly. To say an example, Mr. Nostrils mentioned he's a passable spellcaster, which means that even though he's a noble, he's unlikely to be able to take on an entire army by sheer magical strength or weapon skill. For similar reasons, it's unlikely he acquired his current skills through the repeated stabbing of multiple servants/bystanders over the course of a few days, or casting the same spells over and over for several weeks.

So ranks, levels and so on are not everything. Having said that though, Arlin and Aria come with Hidden Potential TM installed due their status as children and, presumably hidden-but-significant heritage. Too bad they won't get the chance to become Jrpg Heroes anymore. :M


Speaking of which: Luna, the briefly mentioned beastmen Kingdom, is surely a place it will be interesting to go. I wonder if their king is a blonde goat beastman who's secretly accumulating human souls, in order to perform an elaborate ritual that will let him achieve his vengeance against humanity. It would explain why would they commerce with slaves when the average reaction of a human against a non-human is hostile. We shall see in due time.


Lastly, since Erd is technically an "artificially created" Angel, perhaps his soul/whole being doesn't count as being fully inhuman due still having human traces, or perhaps it has become something else altogether. Was he a more reflective individual, he would have spent several hours wondering about his existence and sense of self since his change, but thankfully he's too lazy to have long inner monologues.
 

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It's just a formal duel, so everyone will attempt to restrain themselves from doing lethal blows
Sure, but a skilled fighter is a skilled fighter.

Not letting yourself be duped by a seemingly harmless opponent is a part of the skill.

Then again, it is good to know that while Arlin could potentially beat Wist at her own game, sending him against the order of Azurellion without a few more (dozens) levels under his belt might not be the best idea. I was starting to get worried we are a poor teacher. :M

Too bad they won't get the chance to become Jrpg heroes anymore.
What, haven't seen any plots starting with the heroes in service of a villain and trying to get redeemed as the story progresses? :M

Mark my words, all it would take to seduce Arlin back to the Light side is one pretty princess. The whiteknighting instincts are hard to purge, and certainly not with our tutelage.

Which is why I insist on grabbing all princesses we encounter for ourselves. Can't leave it up to chance.
 

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