Inactive [LP CYOA] Overlord

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Hm, f you fall and then become an angel, can you even be considered a fallen angel?

Anyway, the form you take has no bearing on what your thoughts and motivations are. You might find some more choices that depict a tendency towards certain behavioural traits associated with the form, like increased callousness, or a vanishing libido, but you are free not to make those choices.

Does the angel have a vanishing libido?

edit:
If so, consider my vote flipped to D, BUT I would encourage you to look up the nephilm. Based on that, I think we should keep our boner whether we have a halo or not.

 

[Nevill]

Why wouldn't it be recognized?

Well, I am speculating here, but isn't their connection to Heavens or Netherworld what defines demons and celestials? If you are not accepted at HQ and do not subscribe to their code of conduct, you might as well not be one.

A kind demon or a fallen celestial would be rejects and outcasts. Whether they have fallen before or after is semantics.

 

[a bear named spigot]

Oh, come on! No one's going for the slime? It allows for the perfect sneaking on voluptuous maidens, and it has by far the best defensive stats for whenever we inevitably get wrecked by something through our stupidity. Plus, we get to split into multiple copies of our character and have the other ones do all the work. It'd be easy enough to have a clear track to increased power with that too, we just need to digest a lot of folks.

i'm votiing for slime because slimes are cool

 

[Absinthe]

But if we go for vampire presumably we can make our own vampire army. It's a bit like the lich, except without the dick falling off.

 

[treave]

Well, I am speculating here, but isn't their connection to Heavens or Netherworld what defines demons and celestials? If you are not accepted at HQ and do not subscribe to their code of conduct, you might as well not be one.

That's kinda like saying your right to the name of 'human' will not be recognized if you break human laws.

Perhaps in an extremely orderly society that might be the case, but it is not the case for all the angel populations that you may encounter.

But if we go for vampire presumably we can make our own vampire army.

Or you could just have your own pet vampire lady and outsource the army making. Less effort that way, I figure.

 

[Kipeci]

Slime army > Vampire army for me. The logistics of the former are much easier (eats anything alive and maybe some that's not, as opposed to blood and only blood) and more dependable as it'd all be us rather than potentially backstabbing victims of ours.

I must confess that I don't care for vampires much also, though I'd rather them than a werewolf.

 

[Kz3r0]

E.

 

[Nevill]

That's kinda like saying your right to the name of 'human' will not be recognized if you break human laws.

Human laws are a societal construct, rather than a natural one. If a human is moving on all fours and barking, there is a good chance he will not be treated as one.

But that's a good question. I assume the names of 'celestials' and 'demons' are related to the concepts of 'good' and 'evil' as humans understand them, what with the Demon Lord being the 'living embodiment of evil'. But how innate are these concepts to the respective races?

Maybe I was too affected by the mention of Trias' name and am under a wrong impression, thinking about it in D&D terms.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

An angel who goes against heaven is a fallen angel. It's less of a race thing and more of a descriptive term. A human who steals becomes "a thief". He is still a human, but now he is a thieving human. Our character already lost all divine support. He has "fallen from grace". Ergo, now that he is an angel, he is a fallen angel.

 

[Smashing Axe]

Anticipating shit like this eventually with this CYOA.

 

[treave]

But that's a good question. I assume the names of 'celestials' and 'demons' are related to the concepts of 'good' and 'evil' as humans understand them, what with the Demon Lord being the 'living embodiment of evil'. But how innate are these concepts to the respective races?

I didn't use the term celestial at all, though. And the Demon Lord hasn't done anything that human tyrants wouldn't have the capacity to do.

An angel who goes against heaven is a fallen angel. It's less of a race thing and more of a descriptive term. A human who steals becomes "a thief". He is still a human, but now he is a thieving human. Our character already lost all divine support. He has "fallen from grace". Ergo, now that he is an angel, he is a fallen angel.

You do know that this viewpoint means you, as a "pre-fallen" angel, should be stripped of your God-granted angelic powers the instant you get them, right?

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Not really. The devil started out as an angel and rebelled. Didn't seem to make him lose all powers or whatever. Depends on whether or not we're slave D&D (which I'm not well versed in celestial matters there) or whether we're trying our own thing here.

 

[Nevill]

And the Demon Lord hasn't done anything that human tyrants wouldn't have the capacity to do.

Well, humans are known for their capacity for good and evil deeds. There probably aren't many creatures in the world who could do something that a human can not conceive.

You do know that this viewpoint means you, as a "pre-fallen" angel, should be stripped of your angelic powers the instant you get them, right?

That depends on what exactly grants us these 'angelic powers'.

 

[treave]

Not really. The devil started out as an angel and rebelled. Didn't seem to make him lose powers or whatever.

Because he became a demon, and thus got demonic powers instead.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Not really. The devil started out as an angel and rebelled. Didn't seem to make him lose powers or whatever.

Because he became a demon.

Not sure there is a difference between a fallen angel and a demon in the bible tho. The horns and pitchfork thing was European influence I think. Near as I can tell, the only reason he has any powers is because those powers were granted to him. He rides on laws and technicalities that appear to have been in place before the creation of mankind. From the little I know anyway.

As nevill said, it all depends on how this universe grants us our powers.

If we have to be good or serve these goddesses, then I think it'd be a mistake to be an angel. We're going to be an overlord. Falling will happen one way or the other.

 

[Nevill]

We're going to be an overlord.

Angelord, going by the description.

But I think it was mentioned that the racial choice does not determine our inclinations or motivations on the 'good/evil' scale.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Yeah, our inclinations, but if our powers can be yanked away by heaven at a moment's notice, I think going D from the start would be a better choice. A pity because I really wanted to be the troll fake angel.

 

[treave]

That depends on what exactly grants us these 'angelic powers'.

Exactly, you don't know what the angels are like, or what the mythology of the world is like, so the entire concept of being a fallen angel out for revenge on heaven seems a bit misplaced. If your motivation is revenge, you are just something that wants to get revenge on the goddesses. Being a dragon/angel/demon/baby whatever doesn't really factor into that part of the story. The major thing it changes is your racial abilities, and your interaction with the other races.

 

[Nevill]

Yeah, our inclinations, but if our powers can be yanked away by heaven at a moment's notice

Then we would not be granted any powers to begin with.

Heavens have spoken, both directly and through their followers. They want us dead, they want our family dead or exiled, and they want to forget we ever existed.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Exactly. IF it is heaven that grants us powers and not racial abilities like treave said.

Again, the whole description of "fallen angel" is just that - a description. I think that he has all the power of a regular angel, but he just has fallen from grace.

Whether or not we are out for revenge is up to us. We certainly have fallen from grace - that was up to us too and we made that choice. (though I think things would have worked out like this anyway. )

 

[Nevill]

Exactly, you don't know what the angels are like, or what the mythology of the world is like, so the entire concept of being a fallen angel out for revenge on heaven seems a bit misplaced.

I do not want to get my revenge. I think that was Esquilax' notion that he himself abandoned.

I want to be free of them. They are not my masters, they are not my enemies, they are nothing to me.

I guess I want to be an angel partly out of a desire to troll them a bit, and partly out of symbolism, since I share Lambchop's take on the 'fallen angel' thing.

 

[treave]

The whole point that I've been trying to make is that there is no grace to fall from. There are no angels under the Goddesses' command.

If you're talking about racial background, you know nothing about any of the other options available either. The only one you've encountered was demons, and you were more busy trying to kill them than understand them. The rest don't exist in your world. That includes vampires.

Unless you're talking about what an angel represents in your own mind, which makes it meta-symbolism, then I suppose I'm fine with that.

I want to be free of them. They are not my masters, they are not my enemies, they are nothing to me.

But you are already free. Refer to the last update of the prologue.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Ah, I see what you are saying now. Sorry about that.

yeah symbolism wise, I guess we the players could call our character fallen, but within the world, it wouldn't make sense as there is nothing to fall from.

 

[Nevill]

Hmmm. I see. The whole Goddesses vs demons war had me confused that it was a part of a struggle of Heavens and Netherworld, and since angels are often synonymous with Heaven dwellers, I thought them to be directly involved somehow.

Still, I want to play as a humanoid, and I do not want to re-enter this conflict out of our own volition, which we might be forced to do if we take a demon's form.

...and now I'll probably hear about peaceful communities of demonic fishermen, living side by side with the humans and never going to war...

 

[treave]

Well, the 'Netherworld' you fought the Demon Lord in is just another name the humans call the original land the demons colonized when they first arrived in your world, only that it's been so long that they'd forgotten it was human territory in the first place. It's not a separate dimension. It appeared to collapse at the end of the prologue, but that's because of something else and not what Althus was talking about - dude doesn't really know anything beyond what he's told.

I think it might be simpler if you just think of all the choices as tribes of different monsters. No connotations of good or evil or the masters that they serve.

After all, angels could look like this:

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Or like this:

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