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Nevill

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The question is - do you think this was meant for the Prince?

It is plausible. That he was lured here with some inside help is pretty much a guarantee now. I wonder if there aren't more of those zombies in Methuss.

I doubt Barzamites have many such powerful spells or artefacts at their disposal, so if it was a one-time event, it had to be for capturing or controlling the Prince.
 

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The lack of enemy corpses and her wound.

She ran into something nasty and behaves unnaturally after that. What do you think this is?

Her magical defence score is more reason to be very, very careful in future skirmishes, as whatever that is, it seems to be able to overcome or bypass our defences.

It would not be the first magical (?) effect that can do so. Dimensional Rift could, too.

Why would something so powerful be outside the fight, not bother with us, or the prince but with Rin and not just mind control her but wound her first, while also keeping her alive, then send her to kill us after we're done with the fight, effectively telling us there someone or something that can cast A class mind control spells when it would be the most convenient for us, when it might've been wiser to keep us uninformed. It's possible, but not very probable.

Instead, maybe she got wounded, frenzied, enemy escaped and she's just been walking around frenzied since.
 

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Anything that is fast and strong enough to wound her would pose a problem for Erdrick too. It's fine to try and push blame onto her as part of the character's schemes for guilt-tripping and building loyalty, but to actually dismiss it as merely incompetence on her part rather than the sign of a dangerous foe would be in itself a rather incompetent way to behave.

But I think that is also a long-standing overlord tradition - "You incompetent fools, stop making excuses for your loss, my legion is INVINCIBLE!" - so in the end, I suppose it's also okay to behave in that manner. :M
 

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Normal soldiers can't touch us, much less wound Rin through her armor that we couldn't breach with anything but Gigadyne. Whatever hit her was powerful.

As to why they were here, they could have been lying in ambush and Rin unwittingly stumbled upon them as per our plan.

Further speculations are premature since we don't know how it works. The caster might not have had much choice in the matter if they wanted to escape Rin alive, and they might not necessarily control her actions as much as just mess with her mind. Personally, I think she tries to resist it even now, hence all the sweating.
 

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Why overthink anything? The answer is always Gigadyne. Transform into the intangible lightning form that is impervious to most weapons and spells.

Since consciousness is bio-electrical activity in the brain, can we enter Rin and either give her a nice little lobotomy or even mind control her personally?
 

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The question is - do you think this was meant for the Prince?

It is plausible. That he was lured here with some inside help is pretty much a guarantee now. I wonder if there aren't more of those zombies in Methuss.

I doubt Barzamites have many such powerful spells or artefacts at their disposal, so if it was a one-time event, it had to be for capturing or controlling the Prince.
This is actually very plausible. I can see them organizing this to capture the prince and, when Rin attacked, they were forced to use their trump card to escape with their lives.
If I were an infantryman getting torn apart by a supersoldier, I'd do the same thing.
 

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The Overlord Manual has all the answers. :salute:
32. I will not fly into a rage and kill a messenger who brings me bad news just to illustrate how evil I really am. Good messengers are hard to come by.
54. I will not strike a bargain with a demonic being then attempt to double-cross it simply because I feel like being contrary.
64. I will see a competent psychiatrist and get cured of all extremely unusual phobias and bizarre compulsive habits which could prove to be a disadvantage.
RTFM!!! :argh::argh::argh:
 

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Wouldn't it be something if she ran into the other angel, which came here to protect the prince, and thought it was us? No mind control needed.
 

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That reminds me: If the Hero's Medallion can subtly influence the Hero and such, how is it that the Godesses did nothing to prevent Erd from doing such criminal/unheroic activities? I thought they would try to literally guilt-trip him into stopping his actions the moment he started abusing his position. Unless the Godesses don't care about anything except killing the Demon Lord, which would mean they aren't as nice as people believe (which is most likely the case).
 

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how is it that the Godesses did nothing to prevent Erd from doing such criminal/unheroic activities?
How come the Goddesses did nothing to prevent Erdrick's treachery until the last moment?

If they already knew he was a traitor who would betray humanity and planned the whole expedition around this thing, I think stopping minor smuggling wasn't very high on their priorities list.
 

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If they already knew he was a traitor who would betray humanity and planned the whole expedition around this thing, I think stopping minor smuggling wasn't very high on their priorities list.

Considering that the potential candidates that we could have picked - for example, the Grim Warrior - were far more ruthless and even less suitable hero candidates than Erdrick was, this seems more likely. Whatever sort of plan they had behind using us as a pawn was certainly much more important to them than stopping some petty crimes that they in all likelihood didn't care about in the first place.
 

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Since consciousness is bio-electrical activity in the brain, can we enter Rin and either give her a nice little lobotomy or even mind control her personally?

A certain pattern of bio-electrical activity is one indicator of consciousness (many of your neurons continue to be active even while you are unconscious) but temporarily disrupting electrical activity within the neurons won't result in a lobotomy unless you do enough damage to permanently impair or destroy the prefrontal cortex. It would be more reliable to resort to pin-point attacks that don't have the tendency to conduct. Control of thoughts and memories on the other hand are more associated with the formation of connections between chemical synapses, i.e. neurotransmitter-related, than they are with just electrical potential. You could stimulate particular groupings of synapses to elicit a particular reaction, but that way would require constant input and micromanagement, and become more akin to puppeting a person with strings. It might be possible to rearrange neuronal circuits in such a way as to create new mental associations and emotions, but I think it would require other stimuli in addition to electricity.

Regardless, Erdrick does not have the requisite knowledge about the brain, human or demon or otherwise, to pull off this feat at the moment. Furthermore, an attack requiring that level of finesse won't pack enough power to get past her defenses in the first place, so you might as well just try to fry her outright and hope for the best.
 

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Okay, so FrankHamilton made a few interesting points that made me rethink what really happened. Here is my hypothesis.

I don't think the man we tortured for information was lying. The Barzamites that went to frame the Galbadians numbered only 70 men. I don't think he was misinformed, either - after all, he was of high enough rank to be trusted with a mission of finding the ultimate artefact. Yet when we arrived, we have found a hundred men here:
That is right – the information you obtained from the mage indicated that there were at least seventy more of them. Not all of the enemy had appeared on this raid: they must have kept their forces in reserve, only waiting to commit when necessary. And it looks like it has become necessary: you suspect that their target has appeared. The remainder of the enemy forces have arrived, springing the trap – whereas the initial wave only had normal soldiers, you are noticing the presence of mages in their reinforcements. They also number quite a bit more than you had expected: you are unable to count them all, but it might be close to a hundred instead of seventy.
So where do these additional soldiers come from?

It's not Galbaldy, obviously. The plot was to frame their country for the raids. It can't be Barzam - they only sent out a force of 100 men, and we killed 30 in the ruins. It could be Dijeh, but as we know so little of them it might as well be aliens instead. It could be an unaffiliated party like mercenaries. But I think the most logical explanation is that these soldiers came from Methuss.

Think about it - a mercenary force woul not be trusted to have such a sensitive information and live. And the enemy knew the Prince was there, so they had access to the insider information. Furthermore, the very fact that they had to keep something extremely dangerous in ambush when the Barzamites had such an overwhelming advantage suggests that something fishy was going on. Why hide? The Prince only had 10 knights with him, wouldn't it make more sense to throw everything at them and overrun them? I mean, if that thing can get through Rin they probably didn't even need those 70 men. Certainly nobody expected Farland to have reinforcements. What were these people waiting for, then?

My guess is that these people either intended to betray Barzamites and had a plot of their own (to capture the Prince rather than kill him, or to slaughter the survivors), or they were afraid of being recognized and prompt his escape. Either way I can't think of anyone but another Methussian faction who would have a reason to behave like they did.

It is my theory that we may be dealing with the device they are using to keep their angel under control.
 

a cut of domestic sheep prime

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Lambchop I don't owe it to you to stay fully "evil" in my choices, and this attitude is exactly what Baltika was referring to earlier. What, you're going to hold it over my head that I wanted to take the character in a different direction? So what? This is petty.
It's not just that you wanted to do something different. You wanted to utterly shit on the persona we've built up so far, while saying that it's because you want to be evil, but you don't have the guts to commit and be evil full time.

You're like the gang member who says he's down with the gang, kills his girlfriend as proof, but next week when the gang war comes 'round you be hiding under yo bed like a cracka's mama, say'n "I want out! I want out!". Well, nigga, in a gang, you get beat out, so don't be surprised if I'm giving you a hard time about joining to begin with.

As it stands, we're going the hero route (again) where we'll be a benevolent type who won't betray his close pals ever [...] Sure, we had that betrayal in the prologue, but I doubt we'll ever do something like that again.
Wow, just defeated your own argument there. Nice. :M Yeah, because history has a way of never ever repeating itself.
Things didn't go my way, and if we stick to a more benevolent overlord, I'm happy to vote accordingly,
Lol, so you want to vote consistently if we are a "more benevolent overlord" (as if not killing our greatest ally this one time suddenly makes us turn into the Good Witch of the North), but you are happy to vote inconsistently now? And how come you can commit to voting accordingly if we are more benevolent and not if we are evil - saying that you don't owe it to anyone to stay fully "evil". I mean, it's almost like you don't think you can keep up the evil voting for long. Almost like this is just a whim or something. Huh.
but I don't see why you have to hold it over my head that I wanted to try something different in the beginning stages of the LP, where our character is malleable.
Oh, it's because we're in the beginning stages. I see. 21 updates in and we're still at the beginning stages and super malleable. Haven't chosen to be a lazy scholar pervert who heals goblins, betrays allies for a hot chick, decries the injustice of Mieren's death, rescues children or slaughters armies for princes or anything, nope. Clearly a goblin healer is just one choice away from murdering indiscriminately for power. Clearly being pissed about what Kyle did to Mieren naturally would make us oh-so-likely to turn around and do the same thing to Rin. *sigh*

Dude, our character's personality is fleshed out enough that he isn't so "malleable" that he can naturally make such a sharp turn personality-wise. What we are talking about in B isn't molding a malleable character, it's using his new instincts to give him just enough of a lobotomy that he becomes a violent sociopath.
What am I going to do, try and justify posts I made 3 years ago? Fuck that.
Because you have no way to justify it. Because you know, deep down, that in a few updates, I'll be arguing for the evil option and you'll be making some excuse to puss out. Nigga go home and listen to yo rap music. If you ain't hard, you ain't really down.
 
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There is a lot of talk of being 'evil' in this thread. :M

That's funny because the person that commits evil acts rarely recognizes himself as evil. Pragmatic, practical - perhaps, but they rarely have the self-awareness to look at their actions and say 'that probably wasn't very nice'. For them, there is always an explanation, a reason why they do things.

Unless, of course, it is something completely out of the left field and unjustifiable with any sane logic, like eating kittens.

We have killed about 100 men in I think three days with some flimsy excuses, like 'they attacked first', 'they came after our gobbos', 'they might find out our secret' and even 'it's too boring to sit in one place'. But that's never enough, because it is too rational and perfectly understandable, is it? Our betrayal of our friends to the Demon Lord is mentioned as 'evil' more often than the all the slaughter we do with our own hands. I wonder if it isn't because it was a full retard option that can't be explained away - so people think that's 'evil' simply because it just can't be mistaken for anything else. :lol:

'Evil' and 'asshole' are conflated too often.
 
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That's funny because the person that commits evil acts rarely recognizes himself as evil. Pragmatic, practical - perhaps, but they rarely have the self-awareness to look at their actions and say 'that probably wasn't very nice'. For them, there is always an explanation, a reason why they do things.
Yes, and to be honest, that's how I like to play it, but when the other voter's motivations are "evil overlord vs decent guy who never betrays", "doing reprehensible things" and "powah", the discussion naturally becomes about 'evil' to a degree.
 

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These discussions are very interesting and moving, but... Where's my update? :rpgcodex:
I don't wish to sound rude, but I'm missing my gore porn Overlord updates fix. And I'm sure many of you are equally eager to see what will happen now as well.
 

Baltika9

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Okay, so FrankHamilton made a few interesting points that made me rethink what really happened. Here is my hypothesis.
Props to both of you, I hadn't paid much mind to that discrepancy.
:salute:
It could be that the additional reinforcements were mercs hired to act as auxiliaries, kept on a need-to-know basis. Or, it could be that some nobles are trying to set up a malleable king for their own benefit. It's too early to say since we know so little about this world and how it's factions work. We don't even know for certain that Rin has been mind controlled (maybe she just went berserk?), but this is definitely something to pay attention to down the road.
It's not just that you wanted to do something different. You wanted to utterly shit on the persona we've built up so far, while saying that it's because you want to be evil, but you don't have the guts to commit and be evil full time.

You're like the gang member who says he's down with the gang, kills his girlfriend as proof, but next week when the gang war comes 'round you be hiding under yo bed like a cracka's mama, say'n "I want out! I want out!". Well, nigga, in a gang, you get beat out, so don't be surprised if I'm giving you a hard time about joining to begin with.
ayy bruh we get gang signs or sum sheeit?
 

Nevill

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I don't wish to sound rude, but I'm missing my gore porn Overlord updates fix. And I'm sure many of you are equally eager to see what will happen now as well.
You don't rush Art. :M

Especially not if it's the ultimate showdown between two closest allies on rooftops. So what if it's not the Palace?! The rules of DRAMA will not be denied!

Yes, and to be honest, that's how I like to play it
Me, I'd be perfectly happy with the Mastermind routine who keeps his own hands clean and makes his own criminal network, even if it starts with smuggling cows, but apparently that's too 'weaksauce' for some. Ah, well. We'll see what we can do.

I found Erdrick falling back on his old habits strangely endearing. I do not very much like the warlord path.

It could be that the additional reinforcements were mercs hired to act as auxiliaries, kept on a need-to-know basis.
No way they would hire mercs that strong. The guy (?) who wounded Rin could probably kill all of the Barzamites by himself. It would make the whole thing redundant.
 
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No way they would hire mercs that strong. The guy (?) who wounded Rin could probably kill all of the Barzamites by himself. It would make the whole thing redundant.
Who says it was just one guy, though? Maybe she ambushed a group and they used their Sekkrit Weapon to get out of that situation alive? Their commander was absent from the field for a little while, she's the most likely candidate to have had that device if indeed it existed.
 

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Maybe she ambushed a group and they used their Sekkrit Weapon to get out of that situation alive?
I find it very unlikely that they would have two secret weapons - one that can cause physical wounds and bypass the Titanium Armor and the other that can affect the mind and bypass Magical Defences (?).

Personally, I suspect that Rin might have met our angel, even though that's too far into speculation land.

Their commander was absent from the field for a little while
I noticed that you keep mentioning that, but I can't find anything in the updates to verify it. Sure you are not misreading something?

The updates first mention the commander in Battle of Erise Village. There is nothing to suggest she wasn't there all that time.

she's the most likely candidate to have had that device if indeed it existed.
Also, she is a Barzamite (should be apparent from the cloak - we should have the same one). My point is that the men in ambush might not have been from Barzam at all.
 
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I found Erdrick falling back on his old habits strangely endearing. I do not very much like the warlord path.
I think a blend of the two would be fun. I like the idea of kicking back and relaxing in a support role, but when an enemy pisses us off enough to actually get up off our throne, watch out.
 

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Especially not if it's the ultimate showdown between two closest allies on rooftops.

Rin is too heavy. She'd sink through the roof. :M

As for the updates, before the weekend is over I suppose.
 

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