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Baltika9

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Indeed. I'm flopping to D>A A, as I do not wish to spite the Fates, for that is who these girls really are. Whatever they have ordained for us, that is what we shall have, be it a book, a pair of boots, or spectacles.

This places us at three-way tie, too.
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Baltika9

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And just like that, the tie is resolved with D leading B by two votes. This can only be a sign of the Fates' approval.
 
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BB > BC

Magic boots are always useful
By that logic you should be voting for the book. It is the item most likely to be useful no matter what it is. We're still not certain that these items are magic, and if they're not, the book would easily have been the best choice.
 

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Magic boots are always useful
By that logic you should be voting for the book. It is the item most likely to be useful no matter what it is. We're still not certain that these items are magic, and if they're not, the book would easily have been the best choice.
The time for arguments is over.

The time for getting shafted by the Codex's indecisive simping is here.
 

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Glasses, huh?

One step closer to the dream.
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Still need an SMG shotgun.
(would T-1000 make a good Tentacle Nazgul?)
 

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I don't think treave is going make the book flat-out worthless. Even if these turn out to be mundane items, the book at least will be a mundane item worth reading. Whereas the other items would be... just a pair of boots, and eye-glasses, neither of which we have any use for. Incidentally, I think we really should consider the possibility that perhaps the first room we found is just a storage room rather than the place astras are found. I was kinda expecting a bit more adventure before we found an astra.
 
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I don't like D simply because it reinforces our betaness. Our guy is nice and genuine but we need to learn to be more socially assertive. It's not 'letting fate decide' it's confirming us to the girls as the runt who picks up the scraps.

But then again D will probably be the boots anyway. Young dainty Victorian girls won't want some dusty men's footwear.

The boots are also thematically more fitting. We're a tough wanderer. Not a wizard academic. And a woodsman hunter wearing eye-glasses just looks silly.
 

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I don't like D simply because it reinforces our betaness. Our guy is nice and genuine but we need to learn to be more socially assertive. It's not 'letting fate decide' it's confirming us to the girls as the runt who picks up the scraps.

But then again D will probably be the boots anyway. Young dainty Victorian girls won't want some dusty men's footwear.

The boots are also thematically more fitting. We're a tough wanderer. Not a wizard academic. And a woodsman hunter wearing eye-glasses just looks silly.

Having thought about it and looked at the wording, you're right. Nothing about it is leaving it up to fate. It's pretty unassertive to just take the leftovers.

I'm overthinking things, as usual.

As a side note, I disagree with trying to steer this guy too deeply in an "intellectual" direction where we focus heavily on pumping INT. I'm cool with the fact that we went with an INT boost the last update, and I think that having that bit of "civilization" to our character is important, but I definitely want our character to be more "instinctive" rather than intellectual. Someone with great intuition, awareness, and "common sense" rather than raw intellectual prowess. More PER rather than INT to represent those sharp Hunter's instincts, if you're looking at it from a stat perspective.

On that note, flopping to BB, though the book is cool too. Can't justify the eyeglasses though - I like the idea of enhancing our perception and potentially using these glasses to see ghosts/auras/magic that might be hidden from normal sight (assuming this is an Astra), but I can't help but shake how goofy we'd look. We've got an ugly enough mug, don't need those birth control goggles making things worse.
 

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The real question is that given our sign, assuming that these objects are all Astras, how will their powers manifest themselves in our character?

Astra of Mina (The Fish)
Affinity: Water, mutability
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Dynamism: the Astra is of a type that emits its power externally. A sword firing sword beams, or a hoe that carves an entire furrow with a single swing, or manipulation of external objects ala telekinesis, among others.
Fixation: the Astra enhances the target. A sword that makes the user faster, a hoe gives the user more stamina, or targetable abilities such as enhancing the natural regeneration of a patient.
Mutability: the Astra's power is based in transformation and conjuration. A cloak that can change to act as active camouflage, bracelets which enable the user to transform into a wolf, or the conjuration of objects out of thin air.

Book: I have no idea, without knowing what's inside it. The mystery's part of the fun, though.
Boots: Water-walking boots, perhaps?
Eyeglasses: "True sight" allowing us to see glimpses of the supernatural underbelly of the tower.
 

Absinthe

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Having thought about it and looked at the wording, you're right. Nothing about it is leaving it up to fate. It's pretty unassertive to just take the leftovers.

I'm overthinking things, as usual.
The dumbfounding part is how many people just accepted that logic. Not a lot of critical thinkers here, I suspect. I can get behind D because seeing as MC has shit charisma, putting in more effort to be in the girls' good books can be rewarding for our social standing, but the idea that last pick is somehow the magic touch of destiny did strike me as pretty odd. It's not like the girls suddenly lose the magic touch of destiny for picking first.

As a side note, I disagree with trying to steer this guy too deeply in an "intellectual" direction where we focus heavily on pumping INT. I'm cool with the fact that we went with an INT boost the last update, and I think that having that bit of "civilization" to our character is important, but I definitely want our character to be more "instinctive" rather than intellectual. Someone with great intuition, awareness, and "common sense" rather than raw intellectual prowess. More PER rather than INT to represent those sharp Hunter's instincts, if you're looking at it from a stat perspective.
Perception is great and I'm all for raising it, but raising int is unavoidable too. We're making a traps character for once, and that means high int. Jing was already the instinctive type (and pretty much a hunter, given his maniac island experiences) anyway, so I don't see the problem with raising int. I'd rather we became more of an Indiana Jones type. You know, a respectable archeologist.

On that note, flopping to BB, though the book is cool too. Can't justify the eyeglasses though - I like the idea of enhancing our perception and potentially using these glasses to see ghosts/auras/magic that might be hidden from normal sight (assuming this is an Astra), but I can't help but shake how goofy we'd look. We've got an ugly enough mug, don't need those birth control goggles making things worse.
I still don't see what is supposed to be good about boots. I'd honestly rate the eyeglasses above it since special perception powers or eyelasers strike me as more useful. Only faggots obsess over needing shoes to complement their look anyway. Magic books are usually the best loot we can find in ruins anyway. Even if it's not magic it'll still contain something useful (which is more than can be said for the other items if they're not magic either). I feel this is going to be Yuhe Finger all over again, abandoning the option with the best long-term prospects for short-term gains that we'll outgrow before long.

Flopping my first vote to 1A>D>C.
 
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Baltika9

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The reason I flopped was to cut short all the autism, can please move on?
Ditto. I want the book, I really do, but boots are okay, too. Flipping to B>A A.
I still don't see what is supposed to be good about boots. I'd honestly rate the eyeglasses above it since special perception powers or eyelasers strike me as more useful. Only faggots obsess over needing shoes to complement their look anyway.
Spoken like a man who never went on a ruck march. Comfortable and reliable footwear is one of the most important things a young outdoorsman needs, unless we want blisters on our feet.
I'd rather we became more of an Indiana Jones type. You know, a respectable archeologist.
I like it.
 

Absinthe

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I was talking about obsessing over needing shoes to complement your look. No one knows what the practical benefits of these boots are anyway. This shit is starting to feel like Yuhe Finger again, where the option with good long-term prospects is being overruled in favor of short-term benefits that we didn't really need and will probably end up outgrowing before long.
 
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Baltika9

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No one knows what the practical benefits of these boots are anyway.
We know that they are comfortable, for one, and as a professional soldier, I can tell you that this counts for a lot.

A pair of good, well-fitting boots can prevent things like bunions, corns, hammer toe, ingrown toenails, fungal infections and back problems. Not only that, a pair of good boots also provide protection for the joints of your feet and promote a good walking and running technique.

If we are going for a pragmatic, down-to-earth fella, then a good pair of boots is a wonderful choice. Not my first choice, but not at all catastrophic. So let's not get carried away, yeah?
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Absinthe

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The time for arguments is over.

The time for getting shafted by the Codex's indecisive simping is here.
Looks like it. We're getting all kinds of stupid flops now.

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No one knows what the practical benefits of these boots are anyway.
We know that they are comfortable, for one, and as a professional soldier, I can tell you that this counts for a lot.

A pair of good, well-fitting boots can prevent things like bunions, corns, hammer toe, ingrown toenails, fungal infections and back problems. Not only that, a pair of good boots also provide protection for the joints of your feet and promote a good walking and running technique.

If we are going for a pragmatic, down-to-earth fella, then a good pair of boots is a wonderful choice. Not my first choice, but not at all catastrophic, so let's not get carried away, yeah?
+M
You're getting a bit carried away there. I know the practical value of a good pair of shoes, especially when you do a lot of walking (the value of good soles should not be underestimated either). But treave only told us that they look comfortable. We haven't even tried them on yet and you're already ascribing all these benefits to them. Besides, if comfort is the concern at hand here, we can just get a nice pair in town, assuming that this CYOA even cares that much about footwear quality. And seeing as MC is a self-sufficient hunter, it wouldn't surprise me if MC knows a thing or two about maintaining his own shoes/boots. This sort of reason honestly reinforces my trepidation about picking boots. The value it presents is nothing special. They're benefits we can acquire just by spending some money, whereas the book is most likely to be a benefit that is hard to come by and the eyeglasses, if they have powers, will likely give us sensory abilities that are also hard to come by. Meanwhile boots will... what? Make us go faster? Move more silently? Jump higher? We can already do basic stealth, and for speed/acrobatics what we really need is to fix our bum leg first. Boots appear to be the most short term in their benefits. We can get comfortable shoes without wasting our pick here, and you know that.

This early on, learning opportunities are top priority and magic books tend to be some premium loot, but so far I'm seeing a strange mix of votes based on fashion-consciousness, LARPing a fop, prioritizing stealth powers (when we can already develop stealth skills anyway and it's not like these boots will give us the ability to hide in plain sight even if they do have stealth powers), the practical benefits of comfortable shoes (whereas mundane comfortable shoes can be procured anyway), and bandwagonning to try to settle a vote regardless of how stupid the vote may become in doing so. Sure, the boots won't be utterly useless (although Duancao Legs sure was close to being completely useless when that got picked, but that was pretty much to be expected, seeing it was by far the worst option, being the martial arts technique of a man of severe pacifist inclinations), but I really have my doubts whether these boots would bestow a use we couldn't easily do without. I'm still not seeing a basis for how these boots will expand our capabilities in a decisive way.
 
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Does it make it six years of unceasing butthurt from a single instance of Yuhe Finger?

Acupuncture is real. :M
 

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oh no imagine picking an option without minmaxing
Huh? If anyone is min-maxing here, it's you. Min-maxing is all about overspecializing to a ridiculous degree so you can be a game breaker in some respects while trying to avoid anything that's outside the narrow comfort zone you define for your character. Are you defining min-maxing as "trying to do the smart thing?" Is that what you're upset about?

Did I hear Yuhe Finger? Does it make it six years of unceasing butthurt
Nah. Participating in a treave CYOA again with many of the same codexers just has a way of drawing out old memories. You know what I'm talking about. Still, it's useful to bring up shitty votes of the past as a matter of reference. Not like people don't bring up Sphere Diplomacy, and that's even older. Odds are if treave is still doing CYOAs 5 year later, the cow vote will become some kind of reference too.

Acupuncture is real. :M
Some of it is, but a lot of capabilities ascribed to acupuncture are what we politely refer to as "pseudo-science."
 
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Ugh. I don't want to get into it all over again, but there seems to be a lot of gaslighting now and the arguing is getting long in the tooth.

A lot of what people said about boots can also apply to books, and vice versa. Absinthe, we have no good reason to be sure that any one of these items will be exceptionally amazing or useless, as you said yourself. It would be easy for a book to end up an item with no practical use much of the time, but people are picking it on the hope that it's not just ancient history. Similarly people are hoping the boots are a bit more than a third hand Converse. It's a bit disingenious to play up the possibilities of the book being exceptional while downplaying the boots as just comfortable shoes we'll wear for a year. It would be like me saying that the boots will surely be a Boots of 60 ft. Jumping while the books are probably old fiction tracts.

This is some kind of mysterious archival system of unknown purpose that yielded these three items for us, whether because these are astras and the crystal ball 'scanned' us, or because of some other system. Either way, it's clear that the three items are roughly similar in their 'power level' and we are choosing what kind of stuff we prefer.
 

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