Interview Mage Knight Apocalypse Q&A at TVG

[TheGreatGodPan]

Oh, yeah, well if Buddha's so great, how come he's dead, huh?

 

[Chefe]

Buddha is a state of enlightenment.

There was never a guy called "Buddha".

 

[Vault Dweller]

You are kidding, right?

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Buddha is a state of enlightenment.

Morbid obesity is not enlightenment!

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Buddha is a state of enlightenment.

There was never a guy called "Buddha".

You mean Buddhism. Buddha was an actual person, although that wasn't his real name.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I'd say he meant Bodhi

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Bodhi was hot. I'd do her.

If she was real.


... and not a vampire.

 

[Chefe]

Buddha is what someone becomes. If you achieve enlightenment, you become a Buddha.

Buddhism is the name of the religion.

And no, the person who you Christian fucks commonly call "Buddha" is Gautama, who pioneered the religion. He wasn't and is not the only Buddha though.

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

He was the first though.

 

[Chefe]

No, he wasn't.

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Got any good references I can look at?

 

[Chefe]

It's pretty much impossible to know whether there were any Buddhas before him or not, just like it's impossible to know whether Satan is the ultimate foozle or not. Not many believe though that he was the first. The Tripitaka, collection of Buddhist scriptures, does state he was the 28th. It's all in what you want to believe, but again, there aren't too many people who think he was the first (people that actually know a thing or two and aren't just blindly guessing, that is).

Look up the religion a little, at least on wikipedia, before you try to argue it.

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Okay, but only if you promise to have sex with me later behind the shed.

 

[Chefe]

The Magic 8 ball says "Outlook Uncertain". Sorry.

 

[ExMonk]

Tell me, how can an omnipotent god who cannot do evil create evil? I've always been interested to know.

Also, while you're at it, how can an all-knowing god create dumbfucks like yourself?

Sigh. Such pitiable ignorance. Have you actually read the Bible? Wherever did you get the idea that God created evil? To create evil is one thing and to allow the creatures you've created to have the freedom to turn to evil is quite another. God certainly did not do the former and most certainly did the latter. You are living proof that God is still following the latter course today.

 

[Twinfalls]

Grand statements from someone who evolved from a monkey.

Your name even tells us that - 'ExMonk'- HAHA!

 

[Shagnak]

Of course God created evil, he created everything mang!!

Stop blaspheming or we'll send around the Inquisitors.

 

[franc kaos]

Tell me, how can an omnipotent god who cannot do evil create evil? I've always been interested to know.

Also, while you're at it, how can an all-knowing god create dumbfucks like yourself?

Sigh. Such pitiable ignorance. Have you actually read the Bible? Wherever did you get the idea that God created evil? To create evil is one thing and to allow the creatures you've created to have the freedom to turn to evil is quite another. God certainly did not do the former and most certainly did the latter. You are living proof that God is still following the latter course today.

Seeing as how God is omnipotent, omniscient and... well, omni - ie, everything; and seeing as the angels didn't have free will but were basically created to witness the glory and majesty of God. Lucifer (angel of light) said fuck this, He, God, is commiting the sin of vanity (tho' technically there was no such sin at this time) and pride, rebelled and started the war in heaven (tho again, no such thing as war).

It would seem to indicate that God is actually the yin yang (ie light and darkness), not just good. Drowning the world around Noah, having a compo with Jobs soul on the line, and sending a bear to tear up a bunch of children for taking the piss out of one of his flock also indicates moral ambiguity.

As for Free Will, just how much freedom is there in the knowledge that if you don't live according to a set of rules decided by a bunch of cavemen declaring that they speak for God, you'll burn in the fires of Hell for all eternity? Unless, as someone else stated earlier, you recant your past sins two minutes before you die.

Romans go the house

Jesus was a terrorist, spouting anti roman rule.

 

[Chefe]

Sigh. Such pitiable ignorance. Have you actually read the Bible? Wherever did you get the idea that God created evil? To create evil is one thing and to allow the creatures you've created to have the freedom to turn to evil is quite another. God certainly did not do the former and most certainly did the latter. You are living proof that God is still following the latter course today.

Well, since we're going with the Bible... God created Satan. Satan is the ultimate evil. Therefore, God created Evil. To allow beings to have the free will to do "evil" means that the concept of evil has to exist in the first place. You can have free will without evil. I could donate to either one charity or another, whichever I choose is of my own personal choice, my free will, and most people would say that donating to a charity is a "good" act.

Free will does not equal having the means to do or think evil. I cannot fly, even if I want to really, really badly. Does that mean I don't have free will, since I cannot fly even though I choose to and want to? What if nothing flew, and we had no concept of flying at all? Would I still not have free will beacause I cannot do something that I don't know exists... or even doesn't exist at all? Likewise, if there was no such thing as "evil" would that mean I did not have free will, despite donating to the aforementioned charity of my choice? I did not know evil existed and was incapable of it, or it did not exist, in this scenario. If there was no such thing as evil, would I be devoid of free will?

If God did not create evil, then where do we get this moral code from that defines evil? Furthermore, why do some men have a passion to do harm to others? If we did not have it in our nature or the capabiliy (mentally) to harm others, then we wouldn't, just like how we cannot fly. This wouldn't be impossible; animals don't "do evil". They're bound by the laws of nature. If God can do anything, then he could make an evil-less intelligence bound to the laws of nature. Of course, just the mere existence of evil that inhabits the world now proves that God knows evil. What I still don't understand is why people think that God cannot do evil, that it's against his nature. Obviously, if he knows evil and created evil then he can do evil and it is, in fact, in his very nature, just like ours.


I haven't read through the entire Bible though, to tell you the truth. I don't find it that interesting, except for Revelations and its entertaining fantasy-doomsday type stuff. Banishing of the foozles for a millenium and all that.




Bitch.

 

[Chefe]

Drowning the world around Noah, having a compo with Jobs soul on the line, and sending a bear to tear up a bunch of children for taking the piss out of one of his flock also indicates moral ambiguity.

Not to mention one of the most famous parables where God orders Abraham to sacrafice his one and only son by brutally stabbing him.

Of course, God sends down an angel in this story to stop Abraham just before the kill. God's initial request was, as I see it, something that was evil. Demanding human sacrafices? Yet, many people revere this story.

 

[ExMonk]

Amateurs! You really need to be careful when you discuss religion without formal training, you could really hurt yourselves. Running with scissors, and all that.

I'll hold forth later this morning when I have a minute. Try not to hurt yourselves until then.

Chefe: I think Pete Hines is unduly clouding your judgment. If Pete Hines didn't exist would you still be so sure that God ceated evil?

 

[kris]

Jesus was a terrorist, spouting anti roman rule.

You can only be a terrorist by action. he was at best a terrorist sympathiser. or incitor.

Amateurs! You really need to be careful when you discuss religion without formal training, you could really hurt yourselves. Running with scissors, and all that.

The magic word you are searching was not "formal training", it was "brainwashing".

 

[Calis]

You have to actually use the weapon of "terror" in order to be a terrorist; kidnapping and/or bombing civilians is terrorism. Opposing a regime you don't like *without* targeting civilians is not.

Seeing the effect terrorism has had on the american people, though, I propose we rename the word to "anxietism".

 

[Chefe]

Amateurs! You really need to be careful when you discuss religion without formal training, you could really hurt yourselves. Running with scissors, and all that.

I'll hold forth later this morning when I have a minute. Try not to hurt yourselves until then.

Chefe: I think Pete Hines is unduly clouding your judgment. If Pete Hines didn't exist would you still be so sure that God ceated evil?

Is that the best you have got? Come on. And you just had to bring Oblivion in here, didn't you. Nothing else you could think of to day?

Oh and, for the record, I don't think Pete Hines is evil; I think he's a dumbass prick.

 

[Section8]

My favourite dictionary definition of terrorism is -

the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Which is basically what any right wing government does. For example -

Government: "You are under threat of terrorist acts, let us take away your civil liberties in the name of your safety."

Docile Masses: "Duh, okay."

I'm amazed at some people I talk to. There seems to be an inordinate number of people in Australia who believe we "have to support the US" in every fucking conflict they start, because they genuinely believe that Indonesia and it's predominantly Muslim population will invade us any day now, and that our defense force only has enough ammo for a single day's conflict.

That to me is a pretty classic example of using fear to achieve your political agenda, ie terrorism.