Magic the Gathering Arena

[Dr1f7]

Hey I just reinstalled. Which constructed format is actually worth playing?

i still like titan field in timeless, making a bunch of zombies is always fun.. you probably need to copy paste a deck for that format
my custom brews generally work in explorer; the meta doesn't feel so restrictive there

whenever I try to build a deck for standard I just get blown out by like the same two decks over and over. mono red in general is just too fast and this fucking card ruins the whole format imo

idk anything about historic or alch

 

[ind33d]

Hey I just reinstalled. Which constructed format is actually worth playing?

i still like titan field in timeless, making a bunch of zombies is always fun.. you probably need to copy paste a deck for that format
my custom brews generally work in explorer; the meta doesn't feel so restrictive there

whenever I try to build a deck for standard I just get blown out by like the same two decks over and over. mono red in general is just too fast and this fucking card ruins the whole format imo

idk anything about historic or alch

kiln fiend was a deck in pauper for years and then they print this dude. like why do they even make cards that cost 4+ mana when you can kill your opponent from 20 on turn 3? wizards R&D is like south african plumbing

 

[Dr1f7]

kiln fiend was a deck in pauper for years and then they print this dude. like why do they even make cards that cost 4+ mana when you can kill your opponent from 20 on turn 3? wizards R&D is like south african plumbing

it's really lame.. they just plot the thing t2, then t3 (your t2 btw) they slam it, play 2x kumano + 1x play with fire deal 4 dmg pump it to 7/2 swing (in the air btw) for lethal

that's like one possible line but it's so consistent something like this happens every game
and it's why every other deck needs to run like 30 1 mana removal spells

 

[lukaszek]

Hey I just reinstalled. Which constructed format is actually worth playing?

i go for brawl exclusively

 

[spectre]

Hey I just reinstalled. Which constructed format is actually worth playing?

Did rotation already hit? I uninstalled a week or so ago so can't be bothered to tell. If Bo1 queue it's all about red prowess, humans and red white convoke... means that's pretty much the same degenerate shit as before rotation
- going first wins, especially if its an aggro deck, unless they get fucked by a bad mulligan. The game degenerates into a coinflip.

This advantage of going first only gets exacerbated in timeless formats and all the solitare combos with no interaction that take 10 minutes to come through are still there.
You also need more rares and mythics to compete.

I wouldn't play Alchemy (but that's me, perhaps that's actually your jam) because the format is not paper-compatible and they diddle with card text for "balance",
not that I care about paper MTG, but I especially loathe it when you can no longer rely on how a card functions.

So, in my opinion, while post rotation standard should be a bit healthier, whatever you decide to play, it should be geared towards Bo3. This gives you a slightly better meta, because the decks that just shit out cards
with no interaction and basically win or lose by turn 4 are no longer viable. You will also get better opponent quality and and better game quality overall.

One disadvantage here is it no longer does any land smoothing, so be prepared to mulligan more often as no-land and all-land hands will start to appear.
Games will also take significantly longer, so it's no longer something you can easily play on the shitter.

I would still look into limited, IMO pretty much all the recent sets were really enjoyable to draft and if you're just starting out, this negates your cardpool disadvantage.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

with the abundance of "watch your opponent's hand" it's now undeniable how the game cheats on every level, especially during matches. let's skip for a moment how my 18 lands decks draw 6 of them in the first 10 cards, ALWAYS. play against any control oriented deck, empty his hand, and look at how EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. TURN. he draws exactly what he needed to counter what you just played. even more aggravating is when you go check the deck composition (because everyone plays the exactly same 3-4 decks) and he had just one of that card he just needed just in that single moment. just.
there are very few reasons to have a single copy of a card in your deck:
- you have plenty of tutors. not in this meta.
- you have even more drawing. not in this meta.
- if the game decided you have to win, it's going to magically appear in your hand exactly when you need it.
i'm in awe at how they went all these lenghts to make the game frustrating.
there's a line from "full metal jacket" which goes "after we rotate back to the world, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting". how the times change. plenty of people who should be gutted.

 

[ind33d]

with the abundance of "watch your opponent's hand" it's now undeniable how the game cheats on every level, especially during matches. let's skip for a moment how my 18 lands decks draw 6 of them in the first 10 cards, ALWAYS. play against any control oriented deck, empty his hand, and look at how EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. TURN. he draws exactly what he needed to counter what you just played. even more aggravating is when you go check the deck composition (because everyone plays the exactly same 3-4 decks) and he had just one of that card he just needed just in that single moment. just.
there are very few reasons to have a single copy of a card in your deck:
- you have plenty of tutors. not in this meta.
- you have even more drawing. not in this meta.
- if the game decided you have to win, it's going to magically appear in your hand exactly when you need it.
i'm in awe at how they went all these lenghts to make the game frustrating.
there's a line from "full metal jacket" which goes "after we rotate back to the world, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting". how the times change. plenty of people who should be gutted.

it's literally like wizards of the coast asked a shitty AI "How do we make everyone's winrate exactly 50% so all our tournaments stop being won by Asian men?" and it said to buff aggro so whoever goes first always wins

it's gotten to the point that control isn't even playable in VINTAGE CUBE, with BLACK LOTUS

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

well, no, all it takes is to load on creature removals. and then you get coupled against counterspell decks. or you play red yourself and keep facing decks with 5 out of 8 removals in their opening hand.

 

[ind33d]

>format with smaller cardpool is stronger than format with the bigger cardpool

What the FUCK did WOTC do? How do you even fuck up like this?

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

just an example: for a decade or two a 2/1 W was one of the strongest cards to build a deck with. in the latest set it's an average uncommon attached to another, even stronger effect.
it's all about power creep.

 

[lukaszek]

what i find most annoying is deck with only planeswalkers and boardwipes. We keep getting more and stronger boardwipes, worst of them all is fare well

 

[ind33d]

what i find most annoying is deck with only planeswalkers and boardwipes. We keep getting more and stronger boardwipes, worst of them all is fare well

walkers should all have been fortifications so they would die to wasteland. god fucking forbid someone outplay their opponent

 

[Gerrard]

 

[ind33d]

it's not only that, wizards is now purposely reprinting and banning any card that holds value to force equal outcomes so everybody owns nothing and is happy

blackrock can't put everyone on welfare if nerds can invest in Mana Crypts and Jeweled Lotuses to fight inflation, which coincidentally just got banned and are now worth pennies

 

[Dr1f7]

anyone drafting the new set? i skipped bloomburrow cuz i'm not a furry but the new set is kinda cool with the uhh cards and stuff

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

new set is complete retardation. it's good in a vacuum, most of its cards have meaningful interactions only with each other and they'll be soon forgotten after. except red. red was already unbeatable, sometimes closes the deal by turn 3, so they added enough cards to *make sure* it closes the deal by turn 3.

 

[lukaszek]

red apparently was best in bo3 tournament too, which surprised people.

anyone drafting the new set? i skipped bloomburrow cuz i'm not a furry but the new set is kinda cool with the uhh cards and stuff

I just dont feel like drafting so will be skipping. Played 2 premier ones. Based on that experience rares dont appear to be cared much about and games in general are slow. Like you can not play anything until turn3 and still be fine. So synergies are important and dread is devastating.
I liked black enchant creatures that were doing discard/sacrifice while enchanted creature would die to any damage. Its perfect draft mechanics, just at right strength level while not really being constructed playable.

 

[Dr1f7]

idk about constructed fuck that noise
this set seems fun to draft so far though. the last set i drafted was OTJ which was also fun but it quickly got solved which meant that many people were just force drafting the same decks over and over after the first week because green was so busted. this set seems more balanced so far. though it's just week 1 (or 2? idk just came back), but usually if there's something obviously broken with the set it's found within a week these days.

also i just like horror theme stuff so that helps.

 

[ind33d]

idk about constructed fuck that noise
this set seems fun to draft so far though. the last set i drafted was OTJ which was also fun but it quickly got solved which meant that many people were just force drafting the same decks over and over after the first week because green was so busted. this set seems more balanced so far. though it's just week 1 (or 2? idk just came back), but usually if there's something obviously broken with the set it's found within a week these days.

also i just like horror theme stuff so that helps.

wizards needs to stop supporting constructed and go all in on draft and sealed. there is zero reason to have constructed still if they're too fucking stupid and incompetent to manage the formats. even when they try to do something big-brain like banning Mana Crypt and Nadu, whales just bitch until they roll back the changes. constructed is a lost cause

 

[Dr1f7]

idk about constructed fuck that noise
this set seems fun to draft so far though. the last set i drafted was OTJ which was also fun but it quickly got solved which meant that many people were just force drafting the same decks over and over after the first week because green was so busted. this set seems more balanced so far. though it's just week 1 (or 2? idk just came back), but usually if there's something obviously broken with the set it's found within a week these days.

also i just like horror theme stuff so that helps.

wizards needs to stop supporting constructed and go all in on draft and sealed. there is zero reason to have constructed still if they're too fucking stupid and incompetent to manage the formats. even when they try to do something big-brain like banning Mana Crypt and Nadu, whales just bitch until they roll back the changes. constructed is a lost cause

yeah draft is where it's at. constructed, particularly on arena, doesn't have any diversity; you just see the same deck or two every match and games seem to amount to a coin flip most of the time. i suppose in paper if you brought some $2000 netdeck rdw you'd get your ass beat in the parking lot and nobody would play with you, but unfortunately you can't do that on arena.

actually mtg players make fun of yu-gi-oh a lot because the matches only last 2 or 3 turns but at least you usually get to play your cards in YGO, and there's always like 30 decks that are reasonably playable (master duel isn't anywhere near as sweaty as arena), and konami isn't afraid of printing boobs. mtg games are now just over on op's turn 2 your turn 1. and wotc won't even print hot babes! wtf

 

[Dr1f7]

some card arts from this set are really cool
it's nice to finally draft a set where i enjoy the theme (compared to the last sets themes of: furries and gunless cowboys)
dimir in particular just feels so cool to play in this set, reminds me of dimir in GRN which was also very badass

 

[Dr1f7]

have any of you ever made a BO3 deck that transforms into something totally new game 2?
i'm experimenting with making an explorer BO3 that is a combo spells deck game 1, then totally swaps to a creature deck game 2/3

 

[ind33d]

have any of you ever made a BO3 deck that transforms into something totally new game 2?
i'm experimenting with making an explorer BO3 that is a combo spells deck game 1, then totally swaps to a creature deck game 2/3

I made a Collected Company Greasefang deck that dropped Greasefang in games two and three, but that must have been years ago

 

[rumSaint]

I'll just leave this here:

UNIVERSES BEYOND to be legal in all formats in the future

 

[ind33d]

I'll just leave this here:

UNIVERSES BEYOND to be legal in all formats in the future

the fact this is all happening under a guy called "Chris Cocks" makes it too obvious that they're trying to demoralize all high IQ nerds into suicide