Mass Effect Legendary Edition remaster trilogy

[rusty_shackleford]

Miranda is going to leave you 100% at one point, whether it's going to be for another man or just boredom.

Citation needed.

Fun fact: Miranda is literally the only companion who cries if you break up with her in ME3.

miranda crying to manipulate you is exactly something miranda would do

 

[Nano]

miranda crying to manipulate you is exactly something miranda would do

She cries with her back to Shepard. He doesn't see it before she walks away.

 

[Tyrr]

Liara is the worst romance option because her personality shifts so hard from 1 to 2. Shepard's death turns her from innocent blue science waifu to cold bitch.

But that means she is the only one who really cared that Shepard died. (She also tried to get Shepard's corpse between 1 and 2).
While Ashley or Kaidan just carried on like nothing happened. When you meet your romance option from 1 again in 2, Ashley or Kaidan just criticize you for working with the enemy (same in 3), Liara gives you a kiss (also doesn't distrusts you in 3).

Ashley is ok, but she isn't loyal.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Liara is the worst romance option because her personality shifts so hard from 1 to 2. Shepard's death turns her from innocent blue science waifu to cold bitch.

But that means she is the only one who really cared that Shepard died. (She also tried to get Shepard's corpse between 1 and 2).
While Ashley or Kaidan just carried on like nothing happened. When you meet your romance option from 1 again in 2, Ashley or Kaidan just criticize you for working with the enemy (same in 3), Liara gives you a kiss (also doesn't distrusts you in 3).

Ashley is ok, but she isn't loyal.

Being blindly loyal is stupid.
They watched Shepard die, how do they know that's actually Shepard? Any skepticism they have is proven 100% right considering you actually fight a cloned Shepard.

 

[Larianshill]

Speaking of clone Shepard, I actually had a wild idea recently - that Bioware will never do, because they're pussies. Clone Shepard from Citadel DLC survives his deadly fall because of landing in a space garbage truck, and returns as the protagonist of the new game. People assume that you're the real Shepard, that somehow lived through one of ME3's terrible endings, while you struggle to keep up your cover and maybe even redeem yourself and live up to the original's legacy.

 

[Lacrymas]

Miranda is going to leave you 100% at one point, whether it's going to be for another man or just boredom.

Citation needed.

Fun fact: Miranda is literally the only companion who cries if you break up with her in ME3.

That doesn't mean she won't get bored after a few months/a year.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

miranda reminds me of a bpd chick I dated

 

[Nano]

That doesn't mean she won't get bored after a few months/a year.

What exactly makes you think that? She's very trusting and loyal to those who've earned it (see: Illusive Man, Niket), why would it be different with Shepard? After how he helped her sister, I'd say he more than earned it.

miranda reminds me of a bpd chick I dated

Might be accurate in the sense of how devastated BPDs are by abandonment. Another thing about dumping her in ME3: her death on Horizon becomes unavoidable. The implication being that she's so distraught by it that she loses some of her will to stay alive in her mission.

 

[Lacrymas]

BPD = bipolar disorder? My ex-let's-say-boyfriend is a depressive with wild mood swings, he would attach himself to me like a conjoined twin one moment and the next I would have trouble convincing him for us to see each other. It's not a good experience. As for Miranda, she just strikes me as the kind of person to get easily bored, no matter how intense her original emotions were.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

BPD = bipolar disorder? My ex-let's-say-boyfriend is a depressive with wild mood swings, he would attach himself to me like a conjoined twin one moment and the next I would have trouble convincing him for us to see each other. It's not a good experience. As for Miranda, she just strikes me as the kind of person to get easily bored, no matter how intense her original emotions were.

borderline

 

[Roguey]

She cries with her back to Shepard. He doesn't see it before she walks away.

A blow to Ms. Perfect's ego for being the one to be dumped.

 

[Silverfish]

Extremists don't make good romantic partners,

Ashley Williams did nothing wrong.

 

[Lacrymas]

Extremists don't make good romantic partners,

Ashley Williams did nothing wrong.

That's not the problem, even if it were true. The issue is she'll do something that breaks some intergalactic law in future society, start a riot, and take you down with her (this is the best case scenario) unless you disavow her. Which will end your relationship either way. It's like having a romantic relationship with a person who openly supports ISIS (which is not relevant anymore, but you can imagine)

 

[Lambach]

That's not the problem, even if it were true. The issue is she'll do something that breaks some intergalactic law in future society, start a riot, and take you down with her (this is the best case scenario) unless you disavow her. Which will end your relationship either way. It's like having a romantic relationship with a person who openly supports ISIS (which is not relevant anymore, but you can imagine)

ME's equivalent of ISIS would be Cerberus, an actual human supremacist organization, which Ashley fiercely opposes.

 

[Lacrymas]

That's not the problem, even if it were true. The issue is she'll do something that breaks some intergalactic law in future society, start a riot, and take you down with her (this is the best case scenario) unless you disavow her. Which will end your relationship either way. It's like having a romantic relationship with a person who openly supports ISIS (which is not relevant anymore, but you can imagine)

ME's equivalent of ISIS would be Cerberus, an actual human supremacist organization, which Ashley fiercely opposes.

That was just an example of the type of person you are going in bed with, someone who will inevitably get herself in trouble with the law because the signs are obvious (i.e. xenophobia or open support of ISIS). NOT that she literally supports an ISIS-equivalent. The point is that you'll never know when she'll flip out and castrate you or get you in trouble. That's why you don't want an extremist partner - you can't trust them - even if you yourself are an extremist.

 

[Lambach]

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how Ashley is an extremist, tho.

 

[Silverfish]

That's not the problem, even if it were true. The issue is she'll do something that breaks some intergalactic law in future society, start a riot, and take you down with her

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how Ashley is an extremist, tho.

Because xenophobia seems like an extremist position in this universe. See Cerberus. She might not like them, but that wouldn't matter if she does something like them. I don't remember another character who is as pro-*their race* as Ashley and Cerberus. She might be ok now, but who knows when her "strong opinions" are going to tip over into zealotry.

 

[Lambach]

Because xenophobia seems like an extremist position in this universe. See Cerberus. She might not like them, but that wouldn't matter if she does something like them. I don't remember another character who is as pro-*their race* as Ashley and Cerberus. She might be ok now, but who knows when her "strong opinions" are going to tip over into zealotry.

Her position is simply that alien races should not be blindly and automatically trusted as well as that they will ultimately put their own interests ahead of the interests of humans, which is a pretty common sense opinion. There's also a pretty well established theme that most alien races indeed look at humans with suspicion, due to humans being very recent arrivals to the Galactic Community who expand and increase their influence far too quickly. What's more, the events of ME 3 prove her right when Shepard has to solve everyone else's problems first before they agree to join the counter-offensive on Earth, with the possibility of some major races (Salarians, Krogans) outright refusing to join unless you agree to their demands.

Words have meaning for a reason, stop raping the English language.

 

[Alienman]

Wasn't there a war too recently against the turians? I can see that would put some frowns on peoples faces.

 

[Lacrymas]

Her position is simply that alien races should not be blindly and automatically trusted as well as that they will ultimately put their own interests ahead of the interests of humans, which is a pretty common sense opinion. There's also a pretty well established theme that most alien races indeed look at humans with suspicion, due to humans being very recent arrivals to the Galactic Community who expand and increase their influence far too quickly. What's more, the events of ME 3 prove her right when Shepard has to solve everyone else's problems first before they agree to join the counter-offensive on Earth, with the possibility of some major races (Salarians, Krogans) outright refusing to join unless you agree to their demands.

Words have meaning for a reason, stop raping the English language.

Except her position is not "simply that". She makes outright explicit xenophobic comments without context. She is irrationally paranoid whenever aliens are involved and is skeptical towards Wrex (she can even shoot him at one point), Garrus, and Liara, yet has not made other such comments towards humans (except Cerberus I guess). She puts all members of an alien species under the same umbrella whenever she gets the chance, which is a classic example of xenophobic behavior ("all black people do this"). Yeah, sure, she's right not to blindly trust aliens, but she constantly belittles and suspects her own allies *because* they are aliens.

 

[Lambach]

Yeah, sure, she's right not to blindly trust aliens, but she constantly belittles and suspects her own allies *because* they are aliens.

Wut? Been a couple of years since I last went through the trilogy, but I'm calling bullshit on this one unless you can provide specific examples. As far as I remember, she says what she says during those 1-on-1 talks on Normandy but doesn't actually make any such comments during missions, out in the field etc.

 

[Lacrymas]

Wut? Been a couple of years since I last went through the trilogy, but I'm calling bullshit on this one unless you can provide specific examples. As far as I remember, she says what she says during those 1-on-1 talks on Normandy but doesn't actually make any such comments during missions, out in the field etc.

I don't know whether she says that stuff on missions because I never actually took her on missions, I'm basing this off of what she says 1-on-1. Even if she doesn't say that stuff on missions, how is that better? She might just be professional about it (which she should be).

 

[Lambach]

I don't know whether she says that stuff on missions because I never actually took her on missions, I'm basing this off of what she says 1-on-1. Even if she doesn't say that stuff on missions, how is that better? She might just be professional about it (which she should be).

"She has private opinions that aren't 100% inline with the current zeitgeist, but those opinions never influence her actions or the way she interacts with others. Ergo, she's an extremist."

Serves me right for engaging with you, I guess.

 

[Lacrymas]

But it does influence her decisions, the decision to shoot Wrex. I don't know what to say, though, you are arguing in bad faith. I'm 100% sure you know private opinions can lead to bad stuff happening. I also said she's an extremist *in the universe they are in*, you don't need to have done the stuff you profess in order to be an extremist (and the whole point was that you never know when she's gonna do the bad stuff), but you are just too biased against me for some reason or another to see past yourself. It's also not about "being not 100% inline with the zeitgeist", it's about holding taboo opinions that can lead to unlawful actions within the universe they are in and those could get you in trouble. It's not even necessarily about whether she's right or wrong.