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[jiujitsu]

Well, it has more choices. It is a lot lengthier. It can just dance in circles around the point of the conversation if you so choose. You can also ask them about any word you want to type in.

In KOTOR when you talk to someone you're doing a quest for they only say something like: DID YOU DO IT?!

Your options: No.. Or: Yes.

/me gains exp
/me finds new quest

(I'm slightly exaggerating, but duh.)

Not: Say, can you tell me about the towns further south? Or: Why do you have a tree growing out of your head? Or: Where can I get some equipment around here? Or: What is a hydroelectric magnetosphere regulator thingamajiggy? Or: We don't have to fight because.. *insert reason* (charisma/speech skill check) right?

Reply: I'm going to beat you like a red headed step child! *Combat commences* Or: Yea.. I suppose you're right.. blah blah.

Well, I have no idea what the hell I said and it's probably all wrong, but I said something.. I think.

It's just better, dammit!

 

[FireWolf]

There's no saying consoles can't have lengthy dialogue, but simply there arn't many console games around that do have engaging dialogue that's lengthy. It is a broad generalisation, perhaps, but the vast majority of console games are action orientated. People would rather be rewarded by their sword swipes than through niggling with dialogue trees.

 

[jiujitsu]

I'd like to be rewarded for both. Why can't they do that? Oh, they do in CRPGs. I forgot.

 

[FireWolf]

Depends on what form your reward comes in. Some people want Xp for everything they do, like doggy treats for a good boy. XP t3h r0x!!!1!1

Alternatively there are some people who enjoy a game when they're rewarded with more information, depth, a different way of going about a quest or increasing their understanding of a story. I'm not saying XP for such inquisitiveness is wrong, just that to some people the whole point of a game is to level up or get a better +17 shield of sir teatray while others appreciate thought provoking dialogue, interesting characters and freedom of choice.

 

[Sol Invictus]

I know many console gamers who wish there were games with dialogue as good as Fallout in the games they play. Not everyone happens to be a GTA3 addict. If the console crowd were like that, games like FOBOS would have been surefire hits.

 

[RGE]

If you take the article literally, the game is shipping with a pair of goggles, and I really cannot see any practical reason to increase production costs per unit for something so banal.

Maybe this is what would make the game original? It'd cause problems for me though, because I wear glasses. I'd have to get contacts in order to experience Fallout 3 properly. :shock:

It's not that farfetched though, seeing as the box to the first Fallout resembled some kind of kit, and had a warning that the contents may have shifted due to a nuclear explosion, and that one should examine the inner lid before breaking the seal of the kit. Shipping the game with goggles would be entirely within tradition, only more expensive.

The whole light sensitivity thing could work just as well in 3rd person. Instead of everything going black at night, the world goes white at day. But if they indeed intend to have the game play out in a single city, it definitely looks like it's going to have the exact same view as Oblivion.

Hm. I once saw a webcomic done like a 3D view, where one would need a red lens over one eye and a green lens over the other eye to see the images the way they are supposed to. I didn't have such glasses though, so I never got to see how it was supposed to be seen. I wonder if the goggles might be for something like that? Nah, that would never work in a game, right?

 

[Sol Invictus]

Yes, I just don't see the game shipping with a pair of goggles considering the number of short-sighted geeks who make up the majority of the gaming community.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Why? To be nice? I prefer being blunt. I never cared much about political correctness.

You can be as blunt as you want. The problem comes up when you're being excessively blunt while representing the Codex.

Are you on the staff Role-Player? I'm trying to do a "search for news posts made by" and I can't find your name there.

Funny though, did you complain when the Codex called Chucky a piece of shit? I mean, being a bit selective now, aren't we? What about all those sarcastic attacks made against BioWare on teh front paige!!1!? Then there's Silver Style...

I mean, what's your point here, exactly? The Codex can attack whomever it likes, as long as it's not Pete Hines? I'm trying to find some consistency in your argument.

I didn't implied or said you contradicted yourself. Merely asking why Pete Hines seems to be under your aim in that way. See, if lying his part of his job, accusing him of lying seems moot because that would be his job. If you don't tolerate lies, even when it is someone's job, that's fine, but wouldn't years of knowing that PRs supposedly lie lessen the rabidness against them? Possibly not, but then again, I don't recall many other such outbursts against other PRs on your behalf.

So you've missed all the posts Vault Dweller has made about BioWare?

In a surprising turn of events, Bioware's Ray Muzyka has admitted that only the lack of advanced technology from TEH FUTARE is stopping him from making great RPGs

Well, I can certainly see how a person would really miss role-playing after playing BG and KOTOR.

etc... Please be sure to search for yourself.

The Codex is more then one person. Much more.

Yet, to my knowledge, only one person in the staff - the utmost representative faction of the site - has publicly belittled him like that. You. They may agree with you on it, but how you phrase it when compared to others of the same station is still in bad taste.

Again I ask, are you on the staff Role-Player? I mean, if VD is a problem, wouldn't you let the rest of the staff handle it? Why's it got up your nose all of a sudden?

The big picture is still that we don't what it is, other than an RPG. We know things it supposedly will have, but those don't lead to any great conclusions.

I don't get to use this smiley often so here goes. Remember Fallout Fantasy?

This wasn't only about indicating that someone was (supposedly) full of shit, it was about using an insulting term indicating that you felt the person was full of shit.

So VD thinks Peter is full of shit.

... and your point is?

I mean, what am I missing here? As Saint has said, there are no developers on the project yet here they are making specific detail. MONTHS AGO. They've had months to say something about this and... What do they do? Nothing. We consistently get told "there is no specific detail / we can't say anything" and then they release specific detail about goggle wearing characters to gaming magazines, which they did months ago. I mean, what the fuck is going on here? First they can't say, then they can, then what they say apparently isn't true...

 

[Stark]

the whole bit about console games having less meaningful texts...

firstly, alot of JRPG feature alot of texts. Sure most do not feature meaningful dialog with choices, but the point is that console players are quite ready to put up with reading lot of texts.

and the recent success of Kotor on xbox, and how all the reviewers gushing about how much they love the choice of "good" and "evil", convinced me that most console players wouldn't mind seeing it taken a step further, and try out type of rpg we get on computer.

reading some of the online reviews on Fable it's interesting to note that reviewers are actively looking for oppurtunities of different way of handling quests. GameSpot review especially hit it on the nail by stating the oppurtunity of moral choices are in for the first chapter (when you play as a kid), but sadly lacking in subsequent chapters. The fact that a console reviewer actively looked for it, and was dissapointed it was not developed further, gave me some hope there. Maybe, just maybe, console players wouldn't mind some "thinking" rpg instead of straight hack and slash.

I believe there're plenty of console gamers who'll like to try out rpg with dialog and meaningful choices. it's just that there's no statistics to support this and developers are sticking to what they know best. hopefully kotor2 by Obsidian can showcase some of these and introduce something new to the console gamers.

 

[Sol Invictus]

You aren't on staff either, DU so I kindly suggest that you shut the fuck up. You sound like you have your face buried in VD's crotch. I'm sure he can defend himself, and he has. He doesn't need you covering for him.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Did you notice, Rex, that every time somebody agrees with me, you bring up crotch or fellatio?

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Are you on the staff Role-Player? I'm trying to do a "search for news posts made by" and I can't find your name there.

That's because I'm not a part of the staff. Which, by the by, in no way makes what I said any less relevant. When you're a part of a group and are speaking on their behalf or as a representative of them, the way you convey your point is important.

Funny though, did you complain when the Codex called Chucky a piece of shit? I mean, being a bit selective now, aren't we? What about all those sarcastic attacks made against BioWare on teh front paige!!1!? Then there's Silver Style...

When the Codex called Chuck a piece of shit they had reasons to do so. Why? Because of his string of stupid actions and statement. Hines is nowhere near Chuck, and for that matter, neither are the rest of Bethesda. If the time comes when the Bethesda collective does start acting like Cuevas and his muchachos, flame all you want. Until then, people don't have much of a reason to.

I mean, what's your point here, exactly? The Codex can attack whomever it likes, as long as it's not Pete Hines? I'm trying to find some consistency in your argument.

I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't find consistency, that doesn't seem to be your forte.

Anyway, my argument is that Hines was basically attacked in a way which I found to be needlessly rude over a trivial matter. My point was not that the Codex shouldn't do what they wanted, just in how they (or rather, one person of the staff) did it. Its not the first time I've spoken up in similar situations.

So you've missed all the posts Vault Dweller has made about BioWare?

Did you miss the the posts I made in the past when I protested against what I felt to be needlessly rude statements against Bioware or other companies?

Again I ask, are you on the staff Role-Player? I mean, if VD is a problem, wouldn't you let the rest of the staff handle it? Why's it got up your nose all of a sudden?

Again, I'm not part of the staff. For someome who is usually very keen, I'm surprised at your rethoric based on feigned ignorance. You know I'm not, so why bother asking? Are you trying to imply that I can't dish out criticism because I'm not a part of the staff? If that is the case, sorry, but the 90's called, they're missing their kindergaten rethoric. Kindly return it back.

As for him being a problem, wheter the staff thinks he is a problem or not has nothint to do with my right to point out my opinion on the matter.

I don't get to use this smiley often so here goes.

Somehow I think I took less time ignoring that than you did writing it.

So VD thinks Peter is full of shit.

... and your point is?

Still playing the dim-witted fool? If it wasn't obvious yet, it's not about what Vault Dweller thought or said, it was about how he said it.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Who said DU was playing, Role Player?

 

[Spazmo]

I agree with Vault Dweller and yes, yes I am eating his dick for breakfast, lunch and dinner!

 

[Anonymous]

Atleast you arnt a tiny asian man who thinks he's James Bond and Arnold online.

 

[Sol Invictus]

That made less sense than usual, Patrick.

 

[Lasakon]

In unrelated news.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

I agree with Vault Dweller and yes, yes I am eating his dick for breakfast, lunch and dinner!

Got tired of chewing on Saint's? LOLZ IM WITTY

 

[Greenskin13]

How delightfully ghoulish!

In-Drama sure is hilarious. I'm almost tempted to defend Exitium just so he'll yell at me for crotch-gagging.

 

[errorcode]

man, i'm not sure which is more disturbing..the shitty rhetoric or oral jokes. I haven't heard this much cock gobblin' innuendo since the Jackson trial.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

That's because I'm not a part of the staff. Which, by the by, in no way makes what I said any less relevant.

Actually, it does. You aren't a paying customer here. If you don't like it, you get to leave. I also think the Codex would've worked out just what type of news site they want to be by now. Angsty, independent etc... Throw whatever words you like in. So far, all I've seen in this thread is Rex and a comment by Saint elsewhere that VD could've been a *little* less dramatic. VD hasn't been chewed out. If you want a say in the direction of the Codex, get active, join the staff and start putting out your own point of view.

In the meantime, if what VD said was a problem for the Codex reputation, somehow I don't think he'd still be on the staff.

... and you are of course, aware of what the repuation of the Codex is?

When the Codex called Chuck a piece of shit they had reasons to do so. Why? Because of his string of stupid actions and statement.

Bethesda are being stupid too, though that of course all depends on personal opinion. Personally though, "We can't comment on any specific detail" and "there'll be goggles and isometric gameplay is so over-rated" don't quite match up. As far as I'm concerned, someone over at Bethesda is full of shit and so far its the PR man who's story doesn't quite fit with what's coming out.

Are you trying to imply that I can't dish out criticism because I'm not a part of the staff?

No, you can dish out all the critiscism you like, if you think it's fit to do so. Now isn't the Codex allowed to dish out some critiscism as well, if it sees fit to do so? In this case, isn't one "journalist" allowed to speak his mind in what is essentially his news post and be allowed to do so freely, without it being edited?

What I am saying is perhaps you need to re-evaluate your perception of the Codex and why you come here. As you said yourself, this apparently isn't the first time you've disagreed with the Codex' point of view. I think I'm fairly safe in saying the Codex has a certain "attitude" that is prevalent in its news items. It's an attitude that many enjoy (after all, there aren't many sites that are willing to speak their mind on the front page). If you don't like that attitude, perhaps you'd be better off somewhere else?

As you said:

You can be as blunt as you want. The problem comes up when you're being excessively blunt while representing the Codex.

Hey guess what, I read the Codex too. I actually like a news site with a bit of bite and one that's willing to speak it's mind and isn't censored just to gain "respect" (which you earlier indicated was something you felt the Codex should be doing). I'm not sure what personal level of "tolerance" you have for the amount of crap you're willing to take from a company but the Codex seems to suit me just fine. In fact (ignoring the regular anti-Codex crowd), you seem to be the odd one out here.

 

[Nicolai]

The codex needs more goatse.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Role-Player is a reader. He has every right to share his views. We aren't a fascist site.

 

[Volourn]

"Actually, it does. You aren't a paying customer here. If you don't like it, you get to leave."

Is that the best you got? Waaa! i don't like what you post so leave. Hahha. What a lameo.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Yeah, I agree Volourn. DU's little 'angry' response in 'defense' of the Codex was indeed pathetic. He needs to get his nose out of our collective crotch.