Not sure why would you consider Caesar's Legion to be evil

[Cryomancer]

House that he forces player to obliterate BoS.

BoS wanna monopolize technology and put explosive collars on you.

 

[Child of Malkav]

TL;DR: I choose Mr. House.

I respect this choice but my problem with Mr. House that he forces player to obliterate BoS. Always had a soft spot for those madmen.

There is cut content that can be restored via a mod where you can convince Mr. House to leave them alive. It's voiced and everything so it supposed to be in the game. Check Trianglecity on YouTube to see how much was cut. It's quite insane.

 

[Butter]

TL;DR: I choose Mr. House.

I respect this choice but my problem with Mr. House that he forces player to obliterate BoS. Always had a soft spot for those madmen.

There is cut content that can be restored via a mod where you can convince Mr. House to leave them alive. It's voiced and everything so it supposed to be in the game. Check Trianglecity on YouTube to see how much was cut. It's quite insane.

John Gonzalez reasoned that it was out of character for House to keep them around, so Sawyer cut it even though it had already been made and put in the game.

 

[DalekFlay]

A politician supporting a forced corrupt democracy. Nothing new...

"Democracy is flawed so fuck it let's go authoritarian" is the new "communism has never been tried!"

 

[fantadomat]

A politician supporting a forced corrupt democracy. Nothing new...

"Democracy is flawed so fuck it let's go authoritarian" is the new "communism has never been tried!"

Everything has been tried before lol

 

[Child of Malkav]

TL;DR: I choose Mr. House.

I respect this choice but my problem with Mr. House that he forces player to obliterate BoS. Always had a soft spot for those madmen.

There is cut content that can be restored via a mod where you can convince Mr. House to leave them alive. It's voiced and everything so it supposed to be in the game. Check Trianglecity on YouTube to see how much was cut. It's quite insane.

John Gonzalez reasoned that it was out of character for House to keep them around, so Sawyer cut it even though it had already been made and put in the game.

I don't know what to say to that. I don't remember if House felt threatened by them. No reason to kill them especially since they're very isolationists and there's few of them. They can be taken out easily if they become a threat.

 

[Cryomancer]

"Democracy is flawed so fuck it let's go authoritarian" is the new "communism has never been tried!"

Mr House is not authoritarian. He only wanna to protect the city that only exists because of him. He doesn't wanna to expand his influence. He wanna to protect HIS PRIVATE PROPRIETY. You can't even leave your country in a communist dictatorship, this is the opposite of Mr House. Those who don't wanna live under Mr House rule, can just walk some hours and find other place to settle. He not only protected the city but also builded everything that the city needs security, food, water, energy. NCR in other hands goes to every territory imposing his rule in everyone. Hell, he doesn't even TAX his citizens.

NCR will inevitable lead to big modern state and another nuclear war in long therm.

IF Mr House wanted to expand his influence to other states, then we can discuss which one is more evil.

 

[S.torch]

The 3 main factions of New Vegas are all awful. Getting any of their endings is not a victory.

However, from the 3 factions, NCR is the worst of them. The most pitful, the most scummy, the most disgusting. Because they want to try the exact same shitty system that take the world into nuclear annihilation. How someone can be so stupid? How someone can keep making the same shit again and again and expecting a different result? They're the worst of the worst, yes, caesar legion are destructive monkeys, yes, Mr. House is a hedonist scumbag, but at least their plans are something different, the NCR scum just want the world to get under the same hell they already got. Imagine building the civilization from scratch just to get annihilated again because you commited the exact same stupid mistakes.

Anyone who choose to side with this scum, have made more damage to the world of Fallout than all the other bad factions combined.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Nano's only problem with the Legion is their treatment of women. If they offered boys, he'd be balls deep in that kuchak pussy.

According to NCR guy at the border, the NCR is homophobic whereas the Legion isn't.

Legion are heavily implied to be pretty homo.
Iirc a male with the confirmed bachelor perk who flirts with Cass will be told he has a more Legion-like view or somesuch.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Is the Caesar's Legion walkthrough even a thing? It seems that most of the quests involve NCR. If you side with Caesar, you will lose 70% of the content.

 

[Butter]

Is the Caesar's Legion walkthrough even a thing? It seems that most of the quests involve NCR. If you side with Caesar, you will lose 70% of the content.

It's pretty barebones if you don't game the reputation reset.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

The 3 main factions of New Vegas are all awful. Getting any of their endings is not a victory.

However, from the 3 factions, NCR is the worst of them. The most pitful, the most scummy, the most disgusting.

They also happen to be the most effective.

Because they want to try the exact same shitty system that take the world into nuclear annihilation.

The alternatives are an old-man with a god complex living in a nostalgic dream world in the middle of the desert, and a militaristic loon who wants to bring back the barbaric practices of a one thousand years ago.

How someone can be so stupid?

Indeed.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

A politician supporting a forced corrupt democracy. Nothing new...

"Democracy is flawed so fuck it let's go authoritarian" is the new "communism has never been tried!"

Mr. House is closer to minarchism.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

the NCR scum just want the world to get under the same hell they already got. Imagine building the civilization from scratch just to get annihilated again because you commited the exact same stupid mistakes.

That's called human nature. Unless you have some magical way of changing human nature, human beings will always look for conflict.

Mr. House is closer to minarchism.

IF Mr House wanted to expand his influence to other states, then we can discuss which one is more evil.

The problem is that these factions are not in positions of dominance. This creates an illusion where they seem less evil. They are weaker, but they are equally ruthless and inhuman.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The problem is that these factions are not in positions of dominance. This creates an illusion where they seem less evil. They are weaker, but they are equally ruthless and inhuman

Mr. House never shows any interest in expanding his territory beyond the Mojave. NCR are the ones invading his territory to try to seize land.

 

[Roguey]

I don't remember if House felt threatened by them. No reason to kill them especially since they're very isolationists and there's few of them. They can be taken out easily if they become a threat.

Given the Brotherhood's fanatical views on technology, they can be counted on to oppose my regime.

The world has no use for emotionally unstable techno-fetishists. Just wipe them out, will you?

In any case... this is an employer - employee relationship. I've given you an assignment, and the directions are clear.

Gonzalez's line of thinking was that convincing House to change his mind was too easy a decision, plus not exactly in line with the employer-employee relationship.

Is the Caesar's Legion walkthrough even a thing? It seems that most of the quests involve NCR. If you side with Caesar, you will lose 70% of the content.

My CL playthrough was 12 hours though I didn't bother with a lot of neutral sidequests.

 

[Cryomancer]

If someone has a godly complex, is the NCR. They believe that can make modern centralized state work this time... Mr House knows that he is just a human and tries to fix and improve HIS CITY. He doesn't wanna to "save the world". BoS has a dogmatic view on technology and if was not dealt before, will pose a serious threat to his city. And the Legion are a just of people who believe that the strong should dominate the weak.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Mr. House never shows any interest in expanding his territory beyond the Mojave. NCR are the ones invading his territory to try to seize land.

The world with Mr.House continues insecure, marked by invasions and division. Well, at least there is a bizarre Casino city in the middle of nowhere. Big fucking deal.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

If someone has a godly complex, is the NCR. They believe that can make modern centralized state work this time... Mr House knows that he is just a human and tries to fix and improve HIS CITY.

If trying to control everything with robots in order to protect a nostalgia induced theme park is not God's complex, I don't know what is.

 

[Cryomancer]

If trying to control everything with robots in order to protect a nostalgia induced theme park is not God's complex, I don't know what is.

HE has realistic expectations. There are no way that the world can become like pre war. He wanna protect what is on his range. NCR in other hands, promises protection but NEVER delivers it, in fact only takes taxes.

 

[S.torch]

The alternatives are an old-man with a god complex living in a nostalgic dream world in the middle of the desert

You know that an independent ending exist, right?
You don't have to choose the 3 moron factions.

 

[jackofshadows]

The problem with Caesar's Legion is Caesar himself. He dies - his second in command guys will probably just fuck each other over. Not to mention all thouse gathered tribes are hardly genuinely fit in cultural wise so the bloodshed is almost unavoidable in case of Caesar's death.

At least NCR has some politycal system to rely on though they are not likable at all.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Caesar's Legion is no more evil than historical slaver societies of the ancient period.

That being said,

Spoiler

Daily reminder that the only good faction of the Fallout setting is the Brotherhood.

 

[deuxhero]

Legion is going to run out of toilet paper as soon as they run out of old world money.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

HE has realistic expectations. There are no way that the world can become like pre war. He wanna protect what is on his range. NCR in other hands, promises protection but NEVER delivers it, in fact only takes taxes.

He is a megalomaniac vindictive control freak. The only true free path is the independent ending with the help of Yes Man.