Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Rake]

costed them such precious time writing their great stories and characters, implementing far reaching c&c and refining their stellar gameplay.

You're exaggerating but it could always be worse. Bioware doesn't have the worst-everything-ever.

Nor the best everything ever. In fact, among the AAA RPG Companies (Obsidian, CDPR, Bioware and Bethesda)
Bioware has the worst C&C, stories and characters after Bethesda.
I can't speak for gameplay because all four suck equaly.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

I guess the "resources" are spent sucking EA cock. Also teenage angst fap simulators. Anyways Roguey patronizng laziness and incompetence of Bioware and Josh. News at 11.

 

[Rivmusique]

Mage TNO picking up an axe at the end killed the game for me. If only this vital issue of cutscene weapons could be fixed, we may get a GOAT.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Isn't it more of a club?
And anyways once TNO is united with his mortality, he gets all them fighter proficiencies too. Not balanced I know.

 

[Rivmusique]

It's totally an axe with four blades. We call it an axe axe in my country. You don't?

I don't know, some kind of mace I suppose.

 

[eremita]

It's obviously fucked up bizzaro fantasy mace.

 

[Akratus]

Gee, yeah, that tiny bit of coding

This requires more than you think it does. The cinematic designers also have to make sure all possible variations of the scenes look fine.

 

[Morality Games]

costed them such precious time writing their great stories and characters, implementing far reaching c&c and refining their stellar gameplay.

You're exaggerating but it could always be worse. Bioware doesn't have the worst-everything-ever.

Nor the best everything ever. In fact, among the AAA RPG Companies (Obsidian, CDPR, Bioware and Bethesda)
Bioware has the worst C&C, stories and characters after Bethesda.
I can't speak for gameplay because all four suck equaly.

What? You don't like "go get your friends and fight the evil?"

 

[tuluse]

Nor the best everything ever. In fact, among the AAA RPG Companies (Obsidian, CDPR, Bioware and Bethesda)
Bioware has the worst C&C, stories and characters after Bethesda.
I can't speak for gameplay because all four suck equaly.

Only 2 of those companies are actually AAA.

 

[Morality Games]

Nor the best everything ever. In fact, among the AAA RPG Companies (Obsidian, CDPR, Bioware and Bethesda)
Bioware has the worst C&C, stories and characters after Bethesda.
I can't speak for gameplay because all four suck equaly.

Only 2 of those companies are actually AAA.

Well, it's more like A (Obsidian), AA (CDProjeckt), AAA (Bioware), and AAAAAAAAA (Bethesda)

 

[Witiko]

You roll a character, you play the game, you have incentive to replay the game and get to play the content you've missed out on during the first playthrough. The game should not overly punish you for it, because it's a given that during your first playthrough your decisions during character creation are bound to have been at least partly uninformed and we are not playing a roguelike, but at the same time it should make difference enough to generate replay value.

"Replayability is a side-effect of non-linear quest design and supporting role-playing in general, not a goal in itself."

"Non-consequential chargen is detrimental to role-playing, hence reducing replayability."

 

[Infinitron]

AAA (Bioware), and AAAAAAAAA (Bethesda)

Interesting comparison. My guess is that the really big publishers don't take Bethesda very seriously because as a studio they only work on one game at a time and it takes them years to release each one. That's not very AAA.

Bethesda also has much less employees than Bioware, I'm pretty sure.

But yeah, I guess each individual game of theirs costs more to make than Bioware's.

 

[eremita]

AAA (Bioware), and AAAAAAAAA (Bethesda)

Interesting comparison. My guess is that the really big publishers don't take Bethesda very seriously because as a studio they only work on one game at a time and it takes them years to release each one. That's not very AAA.

Bethesda also has much less employees than Bioware, I'm pretty sure.

But yeah, I guess each individual game of theirs costs more to make than Bioware's.

I always thought that long time developement in BGS is the proof of their strong position and respect among publishers, actually (you bet their games are much more costly - just look at those man-hours...). I think that Bioware (or Obsidian) would kill for budgets and deadlines that Bethesda have (DA2/ME3 would most likely look much different in that case).

 

[Infinitron]

I always thought that long time developement in BGS is the proof of their strong position and respect among publishers, actually

What I meant is that they don't take them seriously as "AAA money makers". Shareholders are obsessed with having that constant cash flow. A game like Skyrim produced by Activision would have had a sequel by now. Maybe two.

 

[tuluse]

Interesting comparison. My guess is that the really big publishers don't take Bethesda very seriously because as a studio they only work on one game at a time and it takes them years to release each one. That's not very AAA.

Bethesda also has much less employees than Bioware, I'm pretty sure.

But yeah, I guess each individual game of theirs costs more to make than Bioware's.

Bethesda is a developer, most developers focus on one game at a time.

Also, Bethesda does have a game "on the back burner" usually. So there was a small team working on Fallout 3 before Oblivion ended, same with Skyrim and Fallout 3.

You would call Irrational Games AAA, wouldn't you? They also do one game at a time and take a long time.

 

[Infinitron]

Bethesda is a developer, most developers focus on one game at a time.

Also, Bethesda does have a game "on the back burner" usually. So there was a small team working on Fallout 3 before Oblivion ended, same with Skyrim and Fallout 3.

You would call Irrational Games AAA, wouldn't you? They also do one game at a time and take a long time.

They're all AAA obviously, but I was musing about the comparison between Bio and Beth and the idea that the latter is "AAAAAAAAA" compared to the former.

 

[Volrath]

I've gotten dumber by reading Chaotic Heretic's posts. I'm not even joking, what a fucking moron.

 

[eremita]

I always thought that long time developement in BGS is the proof of their strong position and respect among publishers, actually

What I meant is that they don't take them seriously as "AAA money makers". Shareholders are obsessed with having that constant cash flow. A game like Skyrim produced by Activision would have had a sequel by now. Maybe two.

Well, in that case, Skyrim actually sold almost the same amount of copies as all DA and ME games together (that's 2007-2012)... We can be sure that costs for all of those BW games were much bigger than in case of Skyrim alone. Bethesda seems like a real money-maker to me.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

I've gotten dumber by reading Chaotic Heretic's posts. I'm not even joking, what a fucking moron.

As Always:
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?members/chaotic_heretic.16711/ignore

 

[Morality Games]

I always thought that long time developement in BGS is the proof of their strong position and respect among publishers, actually

What I meant is that they don't take them seriously as "AAA money makers". Shareholders are obsessed with having that constant cash flow. A game like Skyrim produced by Activision would have had a sequel by now. Maybe two.

No need for sequels when you have DLC. A fraction of the expense for a comparable level of value.

I always thought that long time developement in BGS is the proof of their strong position and respect among publishers, actually

What I meant is that they don't take them seriously as "AAA money makers". Shareholders are obsessed with having that constant cash flow. A game like Skyrim produced by Activision would have had a sequel by now. Maybe two.

Well, in that case, Skyrim actually sold almost the same amount of copies as all DA and ME games together (that's 2007-2012)... We can be sure that costs for all of those BW games were much bigger than in case of Skyrim alone. Bethesda seems like a real money-maker to me.

Haha, even a nothing game like Oblivion sold somewhere above 7 million copies.

 

[Roguey]

Nor the best everything ever. In fact, among the AAA RPG Companies (Obsidian, CDPR, Bioware and Bethesda)
Bioware has the worst C&C, stories and characters after Bethesda.

CDP is comparably not-so-great in the C&C department.

As far as Bioware is concerned, popularity is proof of quality and they're a distant two behind Bethesda. CDP isn't there yet, 6 million Witchers versus 8 million DAs.

I can't speak for gameplay because all four suck equaly.

That isn't an accurate statement by any means.

 

[Delterius]

Nor the best everything ever. In fact, among the AAA RPG Companies (Obsidian, CDPR, Bioware and Bethesda)
Bioware has the worst C&C, stories and characters after Bethesda.
I can't speak for gameplay because all four suck equaly.

Bethesda games have absolutely no C&C, a barebones story and maybe 2 or three characters. So Roguey's right, BioWare doesn't have the worst at everything award.

 

[Apexeon]

So AAA is who collects the most cash.
So that makes Flappy Birds AAA.
AAA is a term for investors snorting coke to get all excited about.

 

[Witiko]

popularity is proof of quality

 

[Roguey]

popularity is proof of quality

Forums poster: All your games are awful
Any given Bioware dev: All these other people disagree, and we're making games for them and not you.