Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Volourn]

"You do realize that those people didn't pay for shit? They donated money for them to make a game."

This is a flat out lie. I paid x amount of money for y stuff. If I don't get it from obsidian that is STEALING. Period. If I promised y for paying x I damn well expect to get it.

Why do you support theft!?!

 

[Ninjerk]

I can't imagine the context of that makes sense out of what you posted.

 

[Morality Games]

"You do realize that those people didn't pay for shit? They donated money for them to make a game."

This is a flat out lie. I paid x amount of money for y stuff. If I don't get it from obsidian that is STEALING. Period. If I promised y for paying x I damn well expect to get it.

Why do you support theft!?!

Eh, fundamentally its still a donation.

 

[Volourn]

No, no it isn't. When you donate something youa re told flat out you get nothing out iof it except helping x cause. With Kickstarter/Obsidian's PE you are promised certain things the more you pay. That is why there are different payment brackets - because the more you pay the more you get. If they had no intention of delivering and lied about it that's flaw. But, I have more respect than Obsdiian than you do apparantly. They ain't criminals .

How many people spent up to a certain bracket because they wanted certain 'cool' stuff only that bracket or above got.

Case closed. Case fukkin' closed.

 

[Hormalakh]

No, no it isn't. When you donate something youa re told flat out you get nothing out iof it except helping x cause. With Kickstarter/Obsidian's PE you are promised certain things the more you pay. That is why there are different payment brackets - because the more you pay the more you get. If they had no intention of delivering and lied about it that's flaw. But, I have more respect than Obsdiian than you do apparantly. They ain't criminals .

Bullshit. A kickstarter pledge is an investment. It is not a purchase of goods. Companies put their reputation on the line in making a promise that they will create what they set out to do. A kickstarter reward is a return on that investment. But if they fail, they don't owe you any return on their failure.

In PoE's case, you invest in their company based on your pledge amount. The goal of that is to bring forward a new future in IE-likes for years to come. The specific kickstarter rewards are ROIs in equal measure to the risk taken by the individual backer. The things that are not negotiated in this sort of investment are intellectual property rights and other rights that Obsidian Entertainment would continue to hold.

Case fucking closed.

 

[Sensuki]

Another SA tidbit, possibly hinting Water and Moon Godlike. This has also already been added to the wiki, and also according to the wiki, someone submitted an NPC Backer Survey confirming the presence of Fire Godlike subtype.

No one actually knows for certain that godlike are created by divine intervention. Their appearances suggest strong alignment with certain deities -- e.g. there are godlike who exhibit physical properties associating them with the moon and water, which are both aspects of Ondra -- but there is no direct proof or divine confirmation.

http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Godlike

 

[Volourn]

"Bullshit. A kickstarter pledge is an investment. It is not a purchase of goods. Companies put their reputation on the line in making a promise that they will create what they set out to do. A kickstarter reward is a return on that investment. But if they fail, they don't owe you any return on their failure."

Bullshit. I invested based on what goods they were offering at certain prices. Same as fukkin' anyone else. Why are you apologist for theft? Thankfully, Obsidian, Kickstarter, and the courts disagree with you. Idiot.

 

[dukeofwhales]

Kickstarter actually doesn't agree with you, and goes to great pains to stress that all contributions are "donations", and that while backers are entitled to a refund if goods cannot be delivered, the backer rewards are not 'preorders', though it is primarily to avoid any liability on their behalf.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

So, refresh me on what we do know about PoE's plot? The main character is witness to a terrible supernatural event which makes him somewhat special in the grand scheme of things, becoming a sort of gravitation center for a number of companions.

And then I watch DA:I's trailer. Main character is witness to a Fade Breach and its only survivor, now he's become the gravitation center of the WHOLE WORLD.

These two games are becoming more easily compared by the week.

Lololo edginess off the charts. Can't wait till this game stomps DA:I in characterization, setting, and depth. Codex gunna Codex.

 

[Sensuki]

I almost wonder if the central theme will be racism, or regional/factional racism. Lol.

 

[Dreaad]

Oh good now the discussion has moved to "What is a kickstarter?"

 

[coffeetable]

Kickstarter actually doesn't agree with you, and goes to great pains to stress that all contributions are "donations", and that while backers are entitled to a refund if goods cannot be delivered, the backer rewards are not 'preorders', though it is primarily to avoid any liability on their behalf.

yeah. there's a reason Kickstarter refers to the money you've given as a "pledge" rather than a "purchase" or "donation" or "investment". a "pledge" seemingly has no legal meaning attached to it whatsoever

 

[Hormalakh]

It's actually sounding a lot like "Game of Thrones: the game" in that the gods are unclear. Fire god? Old seven? New seven? Who knows? I haven't read the books. This is from the show.

 

[Infinitron]

It's actually sounding a lot like "Game of Thrones: the game" in that the gods are unclear. Fire god? Old seven? New seven? Who knows? I haven't read the books. This is from the show.

Eh, the gods in PoE seem to have personalities and histories, so they're not like ASoIaF's gods at all. ASoIaF's gods don't seem to be regarded as anything more than archetypes or aspects of the divine.

 

[Copper]

Yeah, it's still more Erikson / Malazzan in its approach to the gods, up to and including 'god-killing' and gods being flawed, meddling entities, although not to the extent of FR. Hopefully the metaphysics actually stand up to scrutiny. (EDIT - I mean Erikson's metaphysics quickly lost coherence, not implying anything about Eternity).

 

[Sensuki]

It's actually sounding a lot like "Game of Thrones: the game" in that the gods are unclear. Fire god? Old seven? New seven? Who knows? I haven't read the books. This is from the show.

The show is like a fanfic, don't pay it any mind whatsoever.

 

[LivingOne]

I almost wonder if the central theme will be racism, or regional/factional racism. Lol.

It better not,it's getting quite trite in RPGs(and it's also one of the main reasons I'm starting to get tired of the multiple races thing).

 

[Sensuki]

It's definitely A theme. It's been mentioned in interviews.

 

[LivingOne]

Yeah,I remember that,I just hope it's not the central one.

 

[Copper]

Me too. I can get behind Obsidian schooling Bioware on 'this is how you handle this theme like mature adults', but doing something that's not treading the same path as Bio's games and the Witcher would be nice. So far we have: Orlans being treated like animals and slaves, tensions between the invaders and the native population, religious discrimination between the two Germans, plus a light dusting of sexism and other stuff like economic-based slavery. Not to mention that the 'supernatural event' will also have to have some sort of 'racist' overtone if that's really the main theme of the story.

It just seems like a dumb theme in an action-adventure game setting where you'll ultimately be killing lots of mundane, sentient 'monsters', ie mobs created purely for combat with no method of interacting peacefully with them.

 

[The Fish]

I almost wonder if the central theme will be racism, or regional/factional racism. Lol.

Oh god. Bioware's take on american racial politics in space/fantasy land is horrendous. If that pathetic excuse for satire ends up in this game I'll run over Josh Sawyer myself. Keep that crap in american political conventions. Not everyone is obsessed with race, come up with some new ways of creating conflicts and motivations.

 

[Infinitron]

Is there anything in games such as Mask of the Betrayer or Fallout: New Vegas that would suggest that Eric Fenstermaker (the man actually responsible for this game's narrative and themes), Josh Sawyer or anybody else at Obsidian are interested in creating a game "about racism"?

 

[Grunker]

It just seems like a dumb theme in an action-adventure game setting where you'll ultimately be killing lots of mundane, sentient 'monsters', ie mobs created purely for combat with no method of interacting peacefully with them.

yeah man, i hear you

having in bg2 was way out of line

 

[Monty]

Is there anything in games such as Mask of the Betrayer or Fallout: New Vegas that would suggest that Eric Fenstermaker (the man actually responsible for this game's narrative and themes), Josh Sawyer or anybody else at Obsidian are interested in creating a game "about racism"?

Comments like this perhaps?

Pillars of Eternity will delve into themes like "racism and more pervasive racism than just bold-faced racism", explained Sawyer, "like social racism or institutional racism".

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-10-pillars-of-eternity-interview-off-cuts

 

[Infinitron]

Is there anything in games such as Mask of the Betrayer or Fallout: New Vegas that would suggest that Eric Fenstermaker (the man actually responsible for this game's narrative and themes), Josh Sawyer or anybody else at Obsidian are interested in creating a game "about racism"?

Comments like this perhaps?

Pillars of Eternity will delve into themes like "racism and more pervasive racism than just bold-faced racism", explained Sawyer, "like social racism or institutional racism".

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-10-pillars-of-eternity-interview-off-cuts

That's not what I asked.

Shadowrun Returns (especially Dragonfall) has plenty of "racism stuff" in it, but you can't say that Dragonfall is a game "about" racism.