Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Roguey]

That doesn't solve anything. Base medium armors are still not worth taking at all.

 

[hiver]

http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/423549159887362166

It took several questions but i got it:

Sawyer said:
Damage type and even damage output are also not the only things to consider when selecting weapons, so it's not as simple as picking Talents, filling weapon set slots with your focused weapons, and calling it a day.

You could certainly cover different damage types, but again, that's not your only tactical consideration when picking a weapon.

I said:
Just switch to whatever weapon is needed at the moment and gather enough xp through the game to be equally good at enough different weapons so he can respond with the right tool to every challenge?


The inventory system limits the number of weapons available to you both in combat and while away from camp, so no.

 

[Infinitron]

Yeah, we know that already hiver.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity/posts/371907

We've been looking at inventory recently. Tim and I have designed a system that uses three types of gear storage: equipment, top of pack (this name may change!), and stash. Equipment is what your characters are currently using and have ready to use. This includes weapon sets that you can swap between during combat. "Top of pack" is a finite amount of gear that you can access outside of combat for a variety of purposes: replenishing consumables, checking out a shiny new sword you picked up a while back, etc. The top of pack cannot be accessed during combat.

 

[Kirtai]

Hmm, the earlier quote doesn't say that weapons specifically are limited away from camp, just in combat. It sounds like the top-of-pack may have limited weapon slots or something.

 

[hiver]

I wanted to make sure as to what is the limit when considering possibility of being equally proficient with various types of weapons when it comes to tactics of combat, specifically.

Specifically because several people kept screaming about Sawyers balance ideas and combat.

 

[Roguey]

That doesn't solve anything. Base medium armors are still not worth taking at all.

That is becuase you have never played PnP DnD I am guessing.

Medium armor is GREAT for characters that want to remain fast and agile. e.g. a Brbarian with fast movement would like to retain his feats with medium armour. A High dex based fighter with dex ~18 would like to wear medium armour to retain the dex bonus.

A barbarian may want to wear medium armor depending on how much dexterity it has, but that doesn't justify its existence or 3rd edition's assbackwards approach to armor. A fighter with 18 dex would not want to wear medium armor because no medium armor has a +4 bonus except hide which would add up to +7 AC. They would want to wear a chain shirt, light armor, to get +8 AC.

 

[Roguey]

"If you houserule it it's not broken" The second quote in my sig applies.

 

[tuluse]

That doesn't solve anything. Base medium armors are still not worth taking at all.

That is becuase you have never played PnP DnD I am guessing.

Medium armor is GREAT for characters that want to remain fast and agile. e.g. a Brbarian with fast movement would like to retain his feats with medium armour. A High dex based fighter with dex ~18 would like to wear medium armour to retain the dex bonus.

A barbarian may want to wear medium armor depending on how much dexterity it has, but that doesn't justify its existence or 3rd edition's assbackwards approach to armor. A fighter with 18 dex would not want to wear medium armor because no medium armor has a +4 bonus except hide which would add up to +7 AC. They would want to wear a chain shirt, light armor, to get +8 AC.

Or they could wear breastplate (medium) and get +9.

And scale mail would provide the same +8 for half the cost.

 

[Grunker]

I'm sorry, but due to the level difference, trolling skyway no longer nets you xp.

 

[Excidium]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Reminds me of Pathfinder art.

 

[Rivmusique]

Well in 3E they just call it sneak attack, not backstab. The idea being that while your opponent is distracted or unable to defend himself you can take your time and go for his weak spots. Furthermore it means the rogue has trained to know where those weak spots are. I'm not sure what's wrong with this concept as an idea, even if you don't like it's implementation.

As long as the enemies aren't ignoring the rogue the whole time he is on their back tearing them apart. If they do turn to attack the rogue, you should need to move it away so the enemy refocuses on a fighter, the rogue shouldn't be able to stand toe-to-toe in my opinion. Also, ranged units should make you want to keep the rogue back. Maybe come in for a few sneak attacks in an encounter, your fighters should still be putting out more damage as they are constantly swinging.

 

[Grunker]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Reminds me of Pathfinder art.

Quite possibly the shittiest in RPG history.

 

[coffeetable]

The climate of the Dyrwood is Mediterranean shifting to temperate and then continental as you go farther East, but much of Aedyr itself (far to the northwest) is humid subtropical to tropical. The Vailian Empire (from which the Vailian Republics eventually broke free) had a wide range of climates, but many portions of it had colder seasons than the interior of Eír Glanfath.

Southern hemisphere, motherfuckers.

 

[Excidium]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Reminds me of Pathfinder art.

Quite possibly the shittiest in RPG history.

I was gonna say some D&D stuff is just as awful but then I realized it's the same artist.

 

[Grunker]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Reminds me of Pathfinder art.

Quite possibly the shittiest in RPG history.

I was gonna say some D&D stuff is just as awful but then I realized it's the same artist.

4th/Pathfinder ties there, perhaps. The D&D Next art is looking much better, though that's not saying much.

 

[tuluse]

The climate of the Dyrwood is Mediterranean shifting to temperate and then continental as you go farther East, but much of Aedyr itself (far to the northwest) is humid subtropical to tropical. The Vailian Empire (from which the Vailian Republics eventually broke free) had a wide range of climates, but many portions of it had colder seasons than the interior of Eír Glanfath.

Southern hemisphere, motherfuckers.

Assuming that the planet's axis is perpendicular to it's orbit.

 

[coffeetable]

The climate of the Dyrwood is Mediterranean shifting to temperate and then continental as you go farther East, but much of Aedyr itself (far to the northwest) is humid subtropical to tropical. The Vailian Empire (from which the Vailian Republics eventually broke free) had a wide range of climates, but many portions of it had colder seasons than the interior of Eír Glanfath.

Southern hemisphere, motherfuckers.

Assuming that the planet's axis is perpendicular to it's orbit.

By the fact that there are things living on the planet, we can assume the axial tilt isn't too great.

Well, unless ~~~mAgIc~~~

 

[Lancehead]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Thematic grouping is a good thing considering how Sawyer designs stuff. Now he can make, say, a dagger less powerful and special use case than a long sword, if they're in the same group.

 

[Blaine]

Swiss Army Knife fighters don't appeal to me on any level—game mechanics-wise, tactics-wise, or aesthetics-wise.

I hope each character will be limited to two active weapon sets at a time while out in the field, similar to a number of other cRPGs. Wizards could have two staves (or whatever), fighters could have a sword and shield in addition to a polearm (for example), rogues could have a dagger and targe/two daggers in addition to a bow or crossbow (again, for example), and so on.

 

[deuxhero]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Reminds me of Pathfinder art.

Quite possibly the shittiest in RPG history.

Depends on the character. Most (most) of the tacky comes from the fact that they are drawn with everything on their character sheet (most of which is pretty reasonable stuff) and I'm all for visuals mirroring mechanics.

 

[Grunker]

Ah yes, the classic warrior with a broadsword sheathed on his right side, a mace hanging from a loop on his left, a rapier tucked into the rear portion of his belt, and a stack of shields resistant to several different elements strapped to his back.

Evocative stuff.

Reminds me of Pathfinder art.

Quite possibly the shittiest in RPG history.

Depends on the character. Most (most) of the tacky comes from the fact that they are drawn with everything on their character sheet (most of which is pretty reasonable stuff) and I'm all for visuals mirroring mechanics.

Fuck no. Most of it's shitty because it's a) Cartoony, b) does that out-of-proportions thing that's so modern where a warrior's fist is bigger than his head. I can't think of much shittier Fantasy art than Pathfinder and 4th.

 

[Blaine]

1980s fantasy art:

Spoiler

2000s fantasy art:

Spoiler

We've transitioned from fantasy artists influenced by 19th century realism, the American Old West, Conan the Cimmerian, and Tarzan to artists influenced by World of Warcraft, My Little Pony, Skittles and disco balls. McFucking kill yourselves.

 

[Aeschylus]

We've transitioned from fantasy artists influenced by 19th century realism, the American Old West, Conan the Cimmerian, and Tarzan to artists influenced by World of Warcraft, My Little Pony, Skittles and disco balls. McFucking kill yourselves.

To be fair, Frank Frazetta was fucking awesome and comparing anyone else's fantasy art to his only invites disappointment. I'm sure there are good artists out there still, they just don't seem to be getting as much exposure these days.

 

[Blaine]

He's one of the best, but there were a fair few sci-fi and fantasy artists from approximately the same artistic school of thought (though not all approaching his level of skill/talent) in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even the 90s.

There are still artists like Frank out there, and I don't doubt that they're getting exposure—just not in the realm of RPGs. Fantasy and sci-fi book covers still occasionally get covers in that artistic style.

 

[Roguey]

Or they could wear breastplate (medium) and get +9.

No, because breastplate has +5 AC and a max dex bonus of +3.

And scale mail would provide the same +8 for half the cost.

+4 with a max dex bonus of +3, capped at 7.

This is why medium armor in D&D is terribad.