Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[felipepepe]

Now Roguey, tell Grunker your thoughts on GURPS.

 

[Excidium]

It was funny calling "every D&D edition ever" tactical tho

Now Roguey, tell Grunker your thoughts on GURPS.

inb4 dismissive use of GNS theory terms

 

[Sensuki]

Oh yeah? How so, and what is better?

The combat rules are terrible. 'nough said.

 

[tuluse]

Meh, Combat chapter in D&D 3 is just 27 pages long, of the +300 in the Player's Handbook, GM's book have even less... you'll only get that ratio if you consider every spell/item/monster/NPC a COMBAT THING, instead of a regular part of the game...

In fact, that's the issue with bad GMs and players that brainwashed by banal shit boring games. If you say "You see a goblin", they'll all "ATTACK!!111", because shitty GMs never, EVER do monster NPCs.

Now count how many of the spells only have combat application, or how much of the equipment list, or how much of each character section is devoted purely to combat, or how many feats have purely combat applications.

 

[Cowboy Moment]

It's pretty apparent to me that any given P&P session is only as good as its GM and players. For example, 4e having combat that takes too long wouldn't be a problem in a campaign where you're not killing a bunch of things all the time. That fault lies with the GM.

If you're not going to be killing tons of stuff, why use D&D at all?

 

[Excidium]

why use D&D at all?

The answer to this is "Because it's D&D"

It's the only reason to play D&D in any iteration

 

[imweasel]

So, I guess there isn't a reason to play anything "worse" than D&D then, Sawyer's Sperging Retard System being one of them.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Sawyer is making stuff too easy, accessible and balanced. Next Obsidian KS should have a stretch goal for a LP of Dark Souls by Sawyer.

From what I gather from NWN2 and FNV, is that he is good at salvaging the pile of shit others leave behind. But leave him to his own devices, and his sperging becomes a liability

 

[NotTale]

Sawyer is making stuff too easy, accessible and balanced. Next Obsidian KS should have a stretch goal for a LP of Dark Souls by Sawyer.

Probably wouldn't be as controversial a play as you think, it's one of his favorite games.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Sawyer is making stuff too easy, accessible and balanced. Next Obsidian KS should have a stretch goal for a LP of Dark Souls by Sawyer.

Probably wouldn't be as controversial a play as you think, it's one of his favorite games.

Then what is with his hand-holding design philosophy? if he admires something, cant he adapt elements of it? Possibility of screwed builds and fun unbalanced mechanics (Pyromancy in DS comes to mind) is going to be absent in PE

 

[NotTale]

Possibility is not the same as intent. Dark Souls does not appear designed with imbalance as an intent. Though you'd be forgiven for thinking that with such stunningly useful stats as Resistance.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of imbalance just because it's not designed to be imbalanced. If it were that simple, RTS games would never need patching. And "the meta" would not be a thing.

 

[tuluse]

If it were that simple, RTS games would never need patching. And "the meta" would not be a thing.

This isn't necessarily true. There would still be counters (rock, paper, scissors), and there would still be synergies between units.

The main thing Sawyer wants to do is get rid of retarded builds no one would make anyways (3-14 str fighters), and keep choices interesting at each level (ie you're not locking yourself into one build with choices made in the first 3 levels).

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

If it were that simple, RTS games would never need patching. And "the meta" would not be a thing.

This isn't necessarily true. There would still be counters (rock, paper, scissors), and there would still be synergies between units.

The main thing Sawyer wants to do is get rid of retarded builds no one would make anyways (3-14 str fighters), and keep choices interesting at each level (ie you're not locking yourself into one build with choices made in the first 3 levels).

Well i had enough with sperging here for now. I will continue with underrail Alpha

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Possibility is not the same as intent. Dark Souls does not appear designed with imbalance as an intent. Though you'd be forgiven for thinking that with such stunningly useful stats as Resistance.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of imbalance just because it's not designed to be imbalanced. If it were that simple, RTS games would never need patching. And "the meta" would not be a thing.

I guess I am just that PE is RTwP and kiddie-level difficulty.

 

[Grunker]

Possibility is not the same as intent. Dark Souls does not appear designed with imbalance as an intent. Though you'd be forgiven for thinking that with such stunningly useful stats as Resistance.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of imbalance just because it's not designed to be imbalanced. If it were that simple, RTS games would never need patching. And "the meta" would not be a thing.

I guess I am just that PE is RTwP and kiddie-level difficulty.

P:E has good probability of being more difficult than both Torment and Wasteland.

EDIT: Also, it seems you like Shadowrun, which must be about the easiest RPG I've ever played.

 

[Excidium]

Maybe if you tweak it a bit. But it was already said that PE will keep the tradition of normal being the new easy

 

[Rake]

Maybe if you tweak it a bit. But it was already said that PE will keep the tradition of normal being the new easy

Well, i expect the others from inXile to be the same or worse. Like it or not, we can't have the retards gamers lose at normal. The game would be unbalanced.... not their brains deficient

 

[Infinitron]

Maybe if you tweak it a bit. But it was already said that PE will keep the tradition of normal being the new easy

Well, i expect the others from inXile to be the same or worse. Like it or not, we can't have the retards gamers lose at normal. The game would be unbalanced.... not their brains deficient

I don't think Wasteland 2 will be intentionally easy, but I do think it there's a good chance it will have mechanics that are easier to exploit and more unbalanced content.

Also, I think in a more realistic game with no spells and other unique magical abilities, there's an inherent limit to how punishing combat can be. You're not going to get hit by lightning bolts and cloudkills.

 

[Excidium]

Yeah, you're going to get a .50 on your fucking face instead

 

[felipepepe]

Also, I think in a more realistic game with no spells and other unique magical abilities, there's an inherent limit to how punishing combat can be. You're not going to get hit by lightning bolts and cloudkills.

Are we talking about the same game here, the one with killer robots and a fucking giant scorpion-like tank?

 

[Infinitron]

Also, I think in a more realistic game with no spells and other unique magical abilities, there's an inherent limit to how punishing combat can be. You're not going to get hit by lightning bolts and cloudkills.

Are we talking about the same game here, the one with killer robots and a fucking giant scorpion-like tank?

Yes, but it's also the one with a seemingly strong focus on human cults as well as cover-based shooting mechanics.

 

[Excidium]

I don't get it.

 

[tuluse]

I don't think Wasteland 2 will be intentionally easy, but I do think it there's a good chance it will have mechanics that are easier to exploit and more unbalanced content.

Also, I think in a more realistic game with no spells and other unique magical abilities, there's an inherent limit to how punishing combat can be. You're not going to get hit by lightning bolts and cloudkills.

You know in real life, getting hit by a bullet is basically save or die right?

Edit: I doubt either game has punishing difficultly in the sense of fuck up once and a guy dies. Sawyer doesn't like that because it means the player can't adjust his tactics on the fly, and it doesn't seem like W2 is going for that route either.

 

[TheRabbitsGeorge]

Did you forget about the fucking mini nuke grenades? I'd prefer to be hit with a lightning bolt.

 

[Infinitron]

I don't think Wasteland 2 will be intentionally easy, but I do think it there's a good chance it will have mechanics that are easier to exploit and more unbalanced content.

Also, I think in a more realistic game with no spells and other unique magical abilities, there's an inherent limit to how punishing combat can be. You're not going to get hit by lightning bolts and cloudkills.

You know in real life, getting hit by a bullet is basically save or die right?

Yes. That's one way of getting killed, one game mechanic - getting shot by a gun. What else is there?

What I'm saying is, there's an inherently limited degree of complexity and difficulty you can base around that one mechanic.

Fantasy-themed games do not have this limitation because they offer you a greater wealth of methods to attack, basically.