Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[SophosTheWise]

No update tomorrow either guys

We do not have an update planned for tomorrow. No need to stay up for it.

God, and I was going to stay up late to be able to observe the magnaflorious emergence of the fulfillment site along with the website, the final name for PE and a gameplay video and downloadable demo...

 

[Athelas]

Why does zooming in on pictures of Sawyer to analyze his mouse feel creepier than the most aggressive of stalking tactics?

 

[Sensuki]

I actually like his peripheral choice. IBM Model M keyboard at home and Microsoft 1.1a is a very good (& old school) mouse.

 

[Grunker]

In that respect I'd say NWN2's UI is actually possibly my favorite for an RPG of that style.

jesus

 

[Sensuki]

Infinitron you need your old avatar back, buddy. That one isn't as good. Hopefully I now have a unique avatar that someone else isn't using ... but what are the chances.

 

[felipepepe]

felipepepe Have you ever noticed that you're wildly enthusiastic about the upcoming games that you've actually played a beta or demo of (such as AoD and...) but kinda edgy about the ones you haven't?

Not true, I've played shit loads of betas, including stuff like Hearthstone, The Secret World, WoW: Pandaria, FF XIV Reborn, Wizardry Online, TERA Online, Guild Wars 2, The Mighty Quest For Epic Loot, Dragon Commander, Krater, Generation XTH, Legends of Eisenwald, Xenonauts and a couple of others, but the only ones I was hyped for where AoD, Blackguards and Grimoire, and never in the "OMG, they are perfect!!!!111" kind of way.

I'm only "edgy" with kickstarters that make a promise, take our money and then start to change without any explanation... Double Fine goes without saying; Wasteland 2 suddenly has a clearly console-like inventory "because", demo a horribly linear map and went from free-movement to hexes to square grids; and now Project Eternity REALLY likes tablets... only Larian have kept it cool so far, any changes they made being clearly explained.

felipepepeThis pre-release hype stuff definitely isn't for everyone.

Don't blame the hype, blame those that hyped it and then fail to deliver...

 

[Infinitron]

They haven't delivered anything yet.

 

[SophosTheWise]

felipepepe Have you ever noticed that you're wildly enthusiastic about the upcoming games that you've actually played a beta or demo of (such as AoD and...) but kinda edgy about the ones you haven't?

Not true, I've played shit loads of betas, including stuff like Hearthstone, The Secret World, WoW: Pandaria, FF XIV Reborn, Wizardry Online, TERA Online, Guild Wars 2, The Mighty Quest For Epic Loot, Dragon Commander, Krater, Generation XTH, Legends of Eisenwald, Xenonauts and a couple of others, but the only ones I was hyped for where AoD, Blackguards and Grimoire, and never in the "OMG, they are perfect!!!!111" kind of way.

I'm only "edgy" with kickstarters that make a promise, take our money and then start to change without any explanation... Double Fine goes without saying; Wasteland 2 suddenly has a clearly console-like inventory "because", demo a horribly linear map and went from free-movement to hexes to square grids; and now Project Eternity REALLY likes tablets... only Larian have kept it cool so far, any changes they made being clearly explained.

felipepepeThis pre-release hype stuff definitely isn't for everyone.

Don't blame the hype, blame those that hyped it and then fail to deliver...

While I agree with you, I think you are still overreacting regarding tablets. It wasn't mentioned anywhere that their design focus would be tablets from now on. He even said they don't design the game with tablet in mind. Also, we have stated multiple times now, that the old IE games were also one-button-friendly. So, what's all the big fuzz about?

 

[Rivmusique]

They should adopt the NWN2 quick spell list at least. All available spells on screen, sorted by level and examine-able from the main game screen certainly beats the IE style.

 

[Sensuki]

He even said they don't design the game with tablet in mind.

He said touch screen, not tablet. The game will be playable with a stylus, mark my words. Probably will be a bitch to play on a harder difficulty though if the game requires lots more inputs than IE. Lots of pausing or slow mo...

It's just not something they'd want to publicly admit. There's also the cap on anything too CPU/GPU intensive like dynamic shadows. Unless Unity is just not that great of an engine performance wise, this kind of approach resembles keeping tablets in mind at least, because as one of our users posted a 2D video with dynamic shadows - it's not that they can't do it but it might be a bit much for tablet GPUs.

 

[felipepepe]

They haven't delivered anything yet.

Please bro, they already revealed the stuff I talked about and said that's not bound to change, I don't need to wait until release to be able to criticize those choices.

While I agree with you, I think you are still overreacting regarding tablets. It wasn't mentioned anywhere that their design focus would be tablets from now on. He even said they don't design the game with tablet in mind. Also, we have stated multiple times now, that the old IE games were also one-button-friendly. So, what's all the big fuzz about?

The issue is that I don't trust the way they are handling this. All the good will I had is vanishing, to the point that when they do highly suspicious stuff, like "Oh, this is totally PC-focused... but look how well it plays on tablets or how easy would be to port to consoles!", I don't have the spirit to simply ignore it and hope for the best. These people have companies to run, business to make and a budget to manage, and of all the promises, contracts and deals they've done to make this done, the kickstarter ones are the easiest to escape from.

 

[Infinitron]

Please bro, they already revealed the stuff I talked about and said that's not bound to change, I don't need to wait until release to be able to criticize those choices.

I know. What I'm saying is, as soon as the games come out you'll change your tune, because only then you'll see that the games are more than just the bad things you keep noticing to the exclusion of everything else.

 

[Sensuki]

I think he has the right to criticize their poor design choices regarding specific things though.

The WL2 Inventory does look pretty shit and has the possibility of being a pain in the ass to use, but we'll see how we go.

 

[Grunker]

They haven't delivered anything yet.

So? You're acting as though it isn't valid criticism when the projects double back on their target group. During the kickstarter they're all "oh so pc, so for you", then suddenly tablets are even a part of the conversation? How? How is tablets even something worthy of mention?

With your "lol, so much butthurt" you're validating such bullshit.

Please bro, they already revealed the stuff I talked about and said that's not bound to change, I don't need to wait until release to be able to criticize those choices.

I know. What I'm saying is, as soon as the games come out you'll change your tune, because only then you'll see that the games are more than just the bad things you keep noticing to the exclusion of everything else.

Again, this is crap, Infinitron.

I am still overall positive about Project Eternity. I am still looking forward to this game and I think it will be awesome. You act as if any criticism at all means you just "switched to the nay-sayer team." Those teams don't exist, and the only opinions in this thread you should discount are people who obviously "yay" or "nay" every single thing to come from Obsidian.

Neither you, me or Felipepepe are such people.

 

[Infinitron]

How is tablets even something worthy of mention?

"You said tablet on the Codex!"

I am still overall positive about Project Eternity. I am still looking forward to this game and I think it will be awesome. You act as if any criticism at all means you just "switched to the nay-sayer team." Those teams don't exist, and the only opinions in this thread you should discount are people who obviously "yay" or "nay" every single thing to come from Obsidian.

I was talking about felipepepe, not about you. And I didn't say anything about "teams", just that he was being noticeably "on edge" about all these Kickstarter games (not just PE). If despite that he's still positive about them, well then, that's nice.

 

[Sensuki]

He is probably better off being on edge because he'll be less disappointed upon release.

I think we have a good chance of reaching 900 pages before Something Awful reaches 500 - they're on 498.

 

[Grunker]

And I didn't say anything about "teams"

No, but you were acting like this was a question of "either for or against."

"You said tablet on the Codex!"

tsk tsk

 

[~RAGING BONER~]

I can't wait to stand in line to listen to some obscure band you've never heard of while playing with my ipad version of PE, a latte in one hand an ironic accessory in another and a smug look of superiority on my face. Oh, and a scarf from goodwill wrapped around my neck.

 

[Duraframe300]

They haven't delivered anything yet.

So? You're acting as though it isn't valid criticism when the projects double back on their target group. During the kickstarter they're all "oh so pc, so for you", then suddenly tablets are even a part of the conversation? How? How is tablets even something worthy of mention?

There's a reason the thread this comment was posted in was about the Surface Pro specifically. A valid Windows platform.

I really, really doubt they are going to port it to IOS or Android. And while I agree that the comment is open for critisism I do think there is a case of overreaction and assuming the worst.

 

[Sensuki]

All the while thinking that the women of PE are so beautiful, they're all flat chested and have no ass to speak of and look like a man just like the girl of your dreams

 

[felipepepe]

I know. What I'm saying is, as soon as the games come out you'll change your tune, because only then you'll see that the games are more than just the bad things you keep noticing to the exclusion of everything else.

Yes, Project Eternity is not a game about "not having tablet ports", that goes without saying.

Wasteland 2, on the other hand, we're talking about level design, combat grids and inventories, that are quite core systems... I do hope that in the end those games blow my mind and none of that really matters (although they COULD be better), but also remember that those are the thing we know.... there may be a lot of other changes being made in the background that it's just not something they want to publicly admit or discuss.

I.E., I wouldn't be that surprised if shortly after W2's release a console version is announced and quickly released "due gamers demands"... after all it's so easy to port things on Unity, even more if the UI is also console friendly... and obviously that would be just a lucky thing, never a intentional design. Obviously.

You may say that I'm being negative, that I've simply worked to much with advertising suits and all the business sludge in this world, and that might be true; but Fargo and Feargus are businessmen, and as I said, of all the contracts their companies had to make so far, the one with kickstarter backers is the easiest one to break... we've all seen enough of game releases to know that even major promised features can be missing from hyped games that the fans and media will still praise it if th rest is decent enough, so I can't really say that I don't understand the logic behind such decisions, but I do condemn them.

 

[Sensuki]

They have Windows tablets anyway they don't need to care about iOS or Android.

 

[Roguey]

Isn't BG:EE available for the iPad? Furthermore

http://spring.me/JESawyer/q/372039852159419559

You seem to be a big believer in the tablet market for CRPG's. Do you think that the Kickstarter would have been as big a success if you had announced it as an iOS/Android game?

For this project, I don't think so. Our KS pitch is driven heavily on platform-specific (PC) nostalgia.

http://spring.me/JESawyer/q/309128250209078001

Hypothetical question. How would you react to a FO 1 and 2 port to iPad/other OS tablets and modern smartphones. Think of all those toilet seat hours! Side note: Bethesda's Pete Hines wants a Icewind Dale port :D Do ittttttt

Sounds fine by me. People are already running IE games under GemRB on smartphones and tablets.

words words words

I played Icewind Dale 1 and 2 back-to-back months ago. 2's UI was quicker.

 

[Infinitron]

The main obstacle to a tablet release of these Kickstarter games is actually the price. I doubt inXile or Obsidian want to hand out their games for a measly 10 or 20 bucks. Not until the price has dropped on Steam too, and that could take years.

(Or they could release it at a high price, and mobilefags would be butthurt.)

 

[Grunker]

I use BG:EE as a positive example