Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Excidium]

They were quite obviously planning to release on tablets, just don't say out loud because being too honest doesn't do well for kickstarter campaigns. Isn't multiplataform support one of the selling points of unity? Don't you think Wasteland 2 and Torment will get a tablet release too?

Why else would he say "we are trying to make the game one-button friendly"

1,6M mark was Mac support mark. Macs, as far as i know, come with one button mouse by default.
this game has been designed as one-button friendly since the second day of the kickstarter; and not because of the tablets.

True dat.

I doubt this will be too much of a problem for the gameplay on PC anyway, it's Sawyer after all, the guy who worries about playability at the detriment of everything else. I'm p. sure the systems design will turn me off more than needing to click and hold instead of right click to change formation. Or something.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Just keep the number of possible interactions with your environment at a bare minimum and there's no need for rightclick context menus.

 

[Lancehead]

Keyboard shortcuts are way superior to menu traversal, though, so lack of right-click isn't necessarily an alarming situation.

 

[tuluse]

Keyboard shortcuts are way superior to menu traversal, though, so lack of right-click isn't necessarily an alarming situation.

There isn't a lack of right click. It's "one button friendly" not one button exclusive.

 

[SophosTheWise]

Keyboard shortcuts are way superior to menu traversal, though.

I think it's unlikely that they will just cut out any possibility to have shortcuts. It would also be quite absurd since you can select a dialogue option by pressing the relative number key - thus a shortcut
Just to say it once again. Sawyer said PE is going to be one-button-friendly not one-button-only.

Edit: Well, tuluse was faster.

 

[Rake]

But we alredy know that right click and shortcuts will be in as well. Just like the IE games.

 

[Lancehead]

Keyboard shortcuts are way superior to menu traversal, though, so lack of right-click isn't necessarily an alarming situation.

There isn't a lack of right click. It's "one button friendly" not one button exclusive.

Yes, that's what I meant, just poor wording.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Keyboard shortcuts are way superior to menu traversal, though, so lack of right-click isn't necessarily an alarming situation.

I'm probably in the carpal-tunneled minority but as long as a game has the default action left click, context menu right click option I just use the mouse for everything.

 

[Rake]

Me too. Exept Tab,space,and Q, i never used anything else for IE. Maybe right click on portraits to go to invintory. The rest was always left click.

 

[SophosTheWise]

Me too. Exept Tab,space,and Q, i never used anything else for IE. Maybe right click on portraits to go to invintory. The rest was always left click.

Don't forget F5 for ultrafast lockpicking.
F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click LOCKPICK SUCCESS!

 

[Arkadin]

If there are keyboard shortcuts i seriously do not care how many buttons are used on the mouse.

 

[Brother None]

Aren't most mouse-driven point-and-click games one-button-friendly by definition? It doesn't even take much tweaking of design goals, and it sounds like the kind of design goal Sawyer would implement simply for ease-of-us and clarity of UI. If left mouse is ever main function, that is really easy to use and works well with hotkeys. Then right mouse button probably opens up like a context menu? I mean, how else would you want them to design it?

I feel people go to the "oooh so it's for porting to..." quite fast. It's a lazy accusation that ignores how complex design decisions are. I seriously doubt Obsidian are thinking about ports (and I wouldn't put it on Mac either, though that may be a factor)

PS: uh, just to clarify, WL2 is very much so not one-button friendly, it's a three-button game for the mouse.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

I couldn't imagine playing FO without the right mouse button, so I guess that's an example of a two-button focussed design. Like felipepe said, almost all pc mouses have 3 buttons these days, so you'd hope they'd design the game with that in mind, instead of making a one button focussed one. But then again, I probably just like using the mouse more than most.

 

[Gozma]

any game without church organ hotkeys = open palm football spike the DVD into da trash, I will burn the DVD myself if it is a direct download game

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Though actually now that I think about it FO just had the right mouse button switch from move cursor to context menu cursor, so maybe not best example. Still, left button default action, right button for context menu and middle button for awesome would be my ideal.

 

[Infinitron]

Considering how its UI is being designed, it's unlikely that PE will have a context menu.

middle button for awesome

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

even AoD has it, get with da times. Besides, can't think about anything to do with the middle button off the top of my head, maybe felipepepe has an idea.

Maybe camera center.

 

[Infinitron]

PS: uh, just to clarify, WL2 is very much so not one-button friendly, it's a three-button game for the mouse.

One button for walking, one button for camera rotation, one button for everything else?

 

[tuluse]

even AoD has it, get with da times. Besides, can't think about anything to do with the middle button off the top of my head, maybe felipepepe has an idea.

Maybe camera center.

Holding middle button so you can pan the camera would be one thing. Tapping it would center on the selected character(s)?

 

[Brother None]

PS: uh, just to clarify, WL2 is very much so not one-button friendly, it's a three-button game for the mouse.

One button for walking, one button for camera rotation, one button for everything else?

Pretty much. It's very hotkey and mouse driven.

 

[Rake]

Me too. Exept Tab,space,and Q, i never used anything else for IE. Maybe right click on portraits to go to invintory. The rest was always left click.

Don't forget F5 for ultrafast lockpicking.
F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click, lockpick failed. F5, click LOCKPICK SUCCESS!

Degenerate gameplay detected. Reporting to Sawyer.

 

[J_C]

Come on people, you all saw the UI mockups they showd up in previous updates, they were copies of the IE UIs. Don't jump to fucking conclusions. I can't fucking believe that every time there is an update or some new info, somebody has to turn that upside down and assume the worst.

Maintain critical thinking, but it is ridiculous that some Codexer has to bring up some retarded shit without any proof. Do you get your fix this way, or what? You really think that it will be a one-button UI? Really? After we have all seen in the updates? Sawyer explicitly says that right click button will have uses, it is just that left click will be the primary. Like in every fuckin IE game ever?

 

[Arkeus]

We also know that there will be some zoom, so the middle-button should be handling that.

 

[Liston]

We also know that there will be some zoom, so the middle-button should be handling that.

Nah, it will use pinch to zoom.

Edit: Now that I think about it why does IE games need zoom? Tablet port confirmed. Look on the bright side, tablet port could have turn based combat.

 

[Lhynn]

Come on people, you all saw the UI mockups they showd up in previous updates, they were copies of the IE UIs. Don't jump to fucking conclusions. I can't fucking believe that every time there is an update or some new info, somebody has to turn that upside down and assume the worst.

Maintain critical thinking, but it is ridiculous that some Codexer has to bring up some retarded shit without any proof. Do you get your fix this way, or what? You really think that it will be a one-button UI? Really? After we have all seen in the updates? Sawyer explicitly says that right click button will have uses, it is just that left click will be the primary. Like in every fuckin IE game ever?

We do it just in case their brain farts and they actually think its viable.