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[Davidshky]

Yeah free players get the basic T5 ship at lvl 40 and if they couldn't there's always the mirror universe ships and the new delta T5 ships.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

So... uh... I wouldn't mind a fleet project over on KDF if it's not too much of a problem. Gotta catch all of those crit sev consoles!

 

[Norfleet]

I thought I finished the base ages ago, and you all went and put the overpriced glitter thing on it, and since then, the fleet system has been abandoned so there *ARE* no new projects.

 

[Davidshky]

He meant the basic provision projects that cost fleet marks, a few doffs and some other random crap (like R&D stuff) and no dilithium at all. We kinda use them to generate fleet credits when we need some.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

And occasionally I've been asked for the pure-FM conversion project too (which I actually don't mind because it's zero hassle).

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Well, the fleet marks has already been filled so I guess I have to wait for the next one. Sigh... Just one more console to go.

Edit: All filled out and 25 minutes until it's done. I'll poke one of you lot in game about a project when you're around the next time.

 

[Drakron]

It seems by turning the Holy Jem'Hadar Ship into a new T6 they kinda fucked up, today I seen it being offered in a private channel for 450m, exchange price is now at 470m ... the system is flooded so if they were thinking it was 2013 all over again with that stunt they are CryWRONGtic.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

I didn't understand half of that, Drak. Would you mind providing a better explanation for a luddite? I love me some drama.

 

[Drakron]

When the JHAS was introduced they were incredible expensive on the exchange since it was the first "limited time exclusive" ship, they were 500+ million EC and that when the exchange had no 500m limit, I seen them listed at 999m.

Further "limited" releases still put it on the 500m zone, that is until last year with the bullshit lie they would be "upgraded to T6 capabilities", then come T6 and I dont think any of the new "limited" have keep in the 500m zone, they always dropped to the 400m zone.

With the JHSS I guess they wanted to return to the days the JHAS was 500m+ ec when people rushed to buy their "limited" poop but it doesnt seem to be working, in part because they nerfed EC farning and they nerfed packs, in the older days if you had a DOFF Pack it would also give you the ship if you open, no "Promotion!" nonsense that was only done in a pathetic attempt to prevent people to buy low on the exchange and open them when the promotion was running and in part because people have "unique ships" up their asses, at one point having a JHAS meant being special as few had a unique ship, now we see dozens of "unique" ships flying around, what the point? They trivialized being "unique" with so many alien ships.

When the JHSS come out it was being sold on private trade channels for 600m, now its no different that their previous attempts with the Elachi Dread that also was 600m at release and then drop to the mid 400m mark and in screwing over the "Holy Jem'Hadar" (JHAS) owners in a pathetic attempt to drive sales up they achieved the opposite result, JHSS are being sold for sure but the system is already starting to show a lack of market for it, in their pathetic T5U they only managed to gain distrust and they cannot even sell the same ship twice.

If Cryptic was expecting the JHSS to be the JHAS in sales as it was back in 2013 then they were wrong, they simply screwed people over that will hold a grudge for nothing ... sales are the same as post-DR "Promotion!" ships, hell if they put the Jem'Hadar cruiser (that is in the game) along with the JHAS they might had got more sales.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

It bears mention that back then JHAS had unique boff layout capabilities for its ship class, which is no longer the case (and hasn't been for a long time) as many ships can do the same thing or better.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Glorious... buuuuuuut I don't really see that much of a difference between T5U and T6 once you get past the perk... except the price tag, and for a fugly-ass piece of shite like the JHSS with its cannon-centric perk? Pfff... hahahaha. Nope. Nope, nope and nope.

(Yes, I am aware that T6 ships are supposed to be "the shit" and all that, but I base my analysis on my own observations flying the Manasa and then the Temporal Dessie; I don't see much of a difference between the two... except one engineering slot and the few intel abilities that the Manasa can slot)

PS. Upon further reflection, I can see how this is a raw deal for the people who actually shelled out for the original JHAS back in the day and the people who'd go to such lengths getting one of those ships would most likely also be some of the most avid players of STO so well done Cryptic. They managed to shit all over the solid core that keeps this game going.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Correct, the statistical difference between T6 and T5U doesn't even qualify as marginal.

 

[Drakron]

T6 is just a +1 on this case, makes your JHAS entirely obsolete with the JHSS and a bit worst is that with the JHSS you get a console for the now 3 pieces set and also unlocks the frigate pets and you can even use the JHAS skin, the real butthurt is how it was a case of making a ship in all aspects obsolete.

As I said, if it was the Cruiser it would one thing ... this? its a +1 that makes the old ship obsolete in all aspects, heck you can even run OSS with it since lts a Lt Cmdr Tac/Int and the trait is not bad if you KDF and have access to the Int ship, it just makes your ship a crazy thing (turn rate 20 + Cannon R6D trait + Qib Trait) that pretty much can have a permanent CRF at all times, if SS didnt disabled CRF it would perhaps be preferable.

Only reason its perhaps not entirely OP is due to DHCs having lost its edge and how SS is completely incompatible with CRF and CSS (unlike beams were I dont think it disables BFaW) and how the ship trait is so specific to cannon builds but this is a ship that can potential outmaneuver every other ship in the game.

As for being "marginal" ... not true, its still a +1 station that means +1 Lt or +Lt Cmdr ability and newer ships are showing a +1 console as well, in the Intrepid case it put the ship as one of the best science ship in the game due to its great trait and how Int works so well with science abilities, Command abilities seems to be crap but hell, you get a Lt Cmdr were its T5U just gets a Lt ... its a big difference.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

The trait in JHSS is worthless, Volley is simply far superior to Rapid Fire (I have not checked Surgical Strikes vs Rapid Fire comparisons, but I have little interest in using SS because it is incompatible with vital AoE abilities). The real point of comparison for it is the Matha, which has similar boff capabilities (both are A2B efficient escorts), and the main thing it has is the ability to run Intelligence and Command abilities (which is ultimately not that much of a perk compared to 5/2 weapons the Matha is packing).

While it does make the old JHAS obsolete (in the sense that it's straight-up better JHAS), which has been obsolete for a really long time. This is mostly just spitting on its grave, which Kumari and Matha have already pissed on.

 

[Drakron]

Matha have its own issues, the JHSS have better turn and a +1 console, 2 Sci, 4 Eng and 5 Tac ... this means you can outrun the Mat'Ha with ease and you can tank far better (even base hull and shields stats are better), I am not defending the ship because meta make the JHAS and the SS a inferior choice, what I was talking about was that they did something that pissed about everyone that owned one so they could turn a quick buck and that didnt work, if you want to say its because the JHSS is inferior then you arent making much of a case of Cryptic intelligence.

They would been better off with a Jem'Hadar Cruiser.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

I don't have permission to buy from provisioned fleet stores! Who did it? I'm looking at you, Blib! The first of april isn't for another month! Aaaargh



Okay, shitty "humour" aside, I think that I wasn't promoted when I joined the fleet again so I'd be grateful if somebody could sort that out later today.

 

[Norfleet]

If you have a character already in there, you should be able to promote yourself.

blah blah blah

Drakron, man, you need to learn to focus on important. What ships are good, what ships aren't, these aren't that important. What matters is how much MONEY you can make. If we bother to even make characters, it won't be because we're really interested in playing, what with nothing to play with. It's for our friends that we bother to come back at all...our best friends. Our Eggy friends.

 

[Bliblablubb]

I don't have permission to buy from provisioned fleet stores! Who did it? I'm looking at you, Blib

That's the best a filthy traitor like you deserves!
But seriously, don't blame me! I promoted you as much as my toon could, so maybe somebody didn't promote that one high enough as well and I didn't notice it myself. Eventually I will make a similar long face when I turn in the FC from the crystal grind (I ninja'd a 500 FM project yesterday \o/).

Also regarding the T5U/T6 situation:
Right now there is no real reason to buy the majority of T6 dinghies if you have access to a decent T5U, unless you have a hard-on for the mastery trait. I for one leveled the fartbird for the trait and went back to my trusty fleet derpster, and a solid 1st place during crystal grind while shrugging off the shockwave tells me it was a good decision. The fartbird on my other toon tends to really make use of the mastery trait, as in "sits there with 2% hull and only survives because nobody can target him".

Anyway, once the fleet T6s arrive the situation will slightly change, since they will get an extra console on top. Of course, until then a lot of new T6 will appear, so no hurry to grab one now.
I only had to, because I had no upgradable T5 aside from the dysonboat and the risian pleasure blimp. I have standards you know!

Actually I wouldn't even recommend buying a T6 now if you already have the Zombiecruiser.

 

[eklektyk]

i bumped his rommie one-up but that was max i could do so if it still not workin sombdy else needs to bump him further

as a sidenote - thanks to mark weekend i farmed some of that on crystal entity utilizing daily forst bonus ...115 marks per run for few minutes was ok

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Yeah, thanks for the promotion. My space elf now has three tacticool fleet consoles aaaaand I'm working on filling out those mine projects. The dilithium will take a couple of days on behalf of my farm-fu being weak indeed.

 

[Drakron]

Well PWE is doing some spring cleaning.

Matt Miller and our community manager (Captain Smirk)r? gone ... 18 people at Cryptic, seems Neverwinter was hit much harder and someone was pulled to work on their sekrit projects.

I guess the job security at Cryptic is over.

 

[Subject37]

Well PWE is doing some spring cleaning.

Matt Miller and our community manager (Captain Smirk)r? gone ... 18 people at Cryptic, seems Neverwinter was hit much harder and someone was pulled to work on their sekrit projects.

I guess the job security at Cryptic is over.

Yes, Captain Smirk. What is the job of a Community Manager anyway? He didn't seem to do much other than post every so often in the forums and do the occasional livestream. Seems like pretty cushy employment, not surprising that the axed him. I'd guess that the position has been eliminated permanently.

More details here if anyone's interested: http://massivelyop.net/2015/03/17/cryptic-layoffs-alone-totaled-18-people/

 

[Davidshky]

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9080973

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More boff specializations so more new T6 ships and more xp grind that I won't be doing. yay...

The KDF pilot ship better be a damn BoP.

 

[Drakron]

What is the job of a Community Manager anyway? He didn't seem to do much other than post every so often in the forums and do the occasional livestream. Seems like pretty cushy employment, not surprising that the axed him. I'd guess that the position has been eliminated permanently.

His predecessor, BranFlakes, was much better, in fact he currently "Senior Player Relations Specialist" (CM supervisor) at Riot, that is League of Legends but that guy is good and totally deserves that.

Smirk? when he was made CM of STO and Bran was CM Team Lead at PW we had more posts of Bran on the forums that him, after Bran resigned Smirk seem toe be more concerned about the company image that anything else, some people say he was even worst that the CM from the Atari days.

I cannot say I am sorry to see him gone because it was hard to notice his existence to begin with.

 

[Norfleet]

Hah, so there's our official confirmation that the game is indeed circling the shitter, no surprise given what I heard from my contacts. What Drakronity be you up to? Heard anything from anyone lately?