Paradoxian Strategy Multiplayer - First Session

[Sulimo]

Bavarian diplomatic situation:

Overview of Europe:

So, let's call tonight a night of rest without EU3, and resume tomorrow or something?

 

[Reject_666_6]

That's the problem with multicultural empires in the early game. From what I remember, you got Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians and Ukranians in your territory, don't you? Its must've been full of rebels indeed.

I thought you and Reject were stronger. I was actually getting scared of your growth, and I was starting to think of a plan to take you down a notch or two.

We're in Eastern tech group, bro, growth means nothing cause we're backwards savages until we westernise.

 

[Erzherzog]

That's the problem with multicultural empires in the early game. From what I remember, you got Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians and Ukranians in your territory, don't you? Its must've been full of rebels indeed.

I thought you and Reject were stronger. I was actually getting scared of your growth, and I was starting to think of a plan to take you down a notch or two.

We're in Eastern tech group, bro, growth means nothing cause we're backwards savages until we westernise.

The problem with DW is that you cannot Westernize unless you fall 30 tech levels behind, or some such.

The requirements for the initial Westernization decision are:

* Belong to a non-Latin tech group
* Have a neighboring nation in a higher tech group (for this purpose, the tiers are Latin, Eastern, Ottoman,Muslim, and everybody else)
* Stability of +3
* Have a ruler with administrative skills of 6 or more
* Centralization of -2 or less
* Innovative of -3 or less
* DW.png Total technology gap with higher tech group nation:
o 20 levels (for Muslim--> Eastern , Ottoman--> Western and Eastern --> Western)
o 25 levels (for all other groups --> Muslim)

In the end Austria sent its best diplomats to the table, with the following demands "Better terms."

 

[GarfunkeL]

Looks like fun! I might have to get DW and join in.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

I'm wondering if I can access hamatchi and get in over the University network... if not, I'll have to wait until after work to get in on this shit.

 

[Malakal]

Today we play again yes?

22 GMT +1

 

[Malakal]

So we didnt play today but we agreed to try and get a game going this friday. No specific hour. Please post here if you are in and what time is right.

Im in and fine after 18 GMT.

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

What intelligent nations are free?

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

What intelligent nations are free?

Lemme see:

West Europe: Pretty much everyone is taken, vassalized or weakaned.
Portugal: Root
Aragon: Crimson
France: Myself
Brittany: Free but surrounded by France.
Irish Minors: All taken by Portugal (seriously).
Netherlander Minors: I think there are one or two minors that seem to be doing well*, so if you want to form Netherlands, go right ahead. Be aware that France is nearby south, Denmark is a bit north of you and Bavaria is strong and rules the HRE and has a PU wih England, so be wary.
England: Weakened and in a PU with Bavaria.
Scotland: Taken by Silver_Crewaxe
Denmark, Norway and Sweden: Seems everyone there is in a PU with Muty's Denmark or something.
Bavaria: Taken by Sulimo
HRE minors: Most of them were vassalized by Austria or Bavaria. The remaining ones are squeezed between Bavaria, Austria, France, Denmark, Brandenburg and Poland. If you go there, you're going to be either Sulimo's bitch or Erzherzog's.
Austria: Ezherzog
Italian Minors: Naples was predominant, but collapsed. Currently the area seems to be very divided. Its currently in Crimsom's sights, so it seems a very dangerous region to be in unless you're Naples or Genoa and ally with Austria or France.

Eastern Europe:
Balkan Minors: I dunno, but I think everyone's either a Hungarian or Ottoman puppet.
Novgorod: Played by someone (I don't remember, I think it was Chzr). All other russian minors are probrably pupets of Novgorod or GH.
Golden Horde: Strong and overpowered, but EVERYBODY hates your guts and wants you to die die die die die! SPECIALLY Poland, Hungary and Novgorod, all played by humans! Novgorod wants to form Russia and both Poland and Hungary appear to be quie interested in the prospect as way to defeat Golden Horde. Play this only if you are quite confident in your skills and capability of waging multiple wars on multiple fronts. You have no friends but other hordes here.
Poland: Taken by Malakal
Hungary: Taken by Reject.
Ottomans: Taken by Chef_Hathaway

North Africa and Middle East:
Algiers: Not taken, seems to be doing well, has lots of Morrocan territory. Could become a colonizer with the right NI.
Morroco and Tripoli: Both lost much territory to Algiers/Ottomans. Avoid.
Mamlukes: I dunno, but they seem to be doing good to me.

That's all I know. Me, I would love to see someone take Golden Horde, Mamluks, Timurids (if they still exist), Kazakhs or Ming.

*WTF happened wih Burgundy? Bitch is going to be annexed, HARD!

 

[Destroid]

I can play on a friday after 21-22GMT or so.

Is Lubeck still alive? I have a soft spot for those guys. Or perhaps it would be a good idea for me to play an invading horde, since it's unlikely I'll be able to play often due to timezones.

 

[Nex]

I can probably play. Have never played it multi before, and I am not that good at the game anyways so who would you recommend I play as?

5.1 beta patch is it?

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

I can probably play. Have never played it multi before, and I am not that good at the game anyways so who would you recommend I play as?

5.1 beta patch is it?

Nex, the best kind of nation for someone who doesn't trust his skills is a major civ with no major rivals, western tech and versatile paths. Portugal, Castille and England are the easiest ones. These nations can easily take most defeats in stride, they are pretty easy to play with and understand their strengths and weaknesses, and they are the most versatile. France would be here too, but the Burgundy, and the HRE make its life harder. France is good for second/fourth game.

Oh yeah, don't go for hordes unless you know what are you doing. Hordes are for combatfags with good coordination.

If you read the previous page, you will see that these nations I spoke of as easier are either taken or screwed already. Me, I would recomend you to play with a major like Mamluks, or a medium with potential to be a major, like Malacca.

 

[Nex]

I'll take the Mamluks then. 20-22 gmt sounds good for me.

 

[Destroid]

Oh yeah, don't go for hordes unless you know what are you doing. Hordes are for combatfags with good coordination.

I think I can handle it. Any big differences from MMU? I've never actually played standard EU3.
EDIT: Also, is there a savegame file someone can upload so I can take a look at the country and make a plan before we play?

 

[Malakal]

I STRONGLY recommend avoiding the Golden Horde. Mainly because if it was player controlled me and Novgorod would have no other choice but to focus exclusively on destroying it.

Hansa (Lubeck) is going strong so you can play them. Hard position due to Brandenburg, Bavaria, Poland and Denmark being player controlled but you could manage that. I (Poland) for sure would like a north German buffer state so diplomatic opportunities are there.

Brabant is going strong, also is Holland, both good minors.

Or you could simply replace a player that wont be available at the time. We always have someone missing, so some majors may be free (like France last time).

Savegame is on page 5 in a Muty post.

 

[Destroid]

Hoho, but if they were player controlled there is no certainty they would attack Novgorod and Poland.

EDIT: Ah I see now looking at the map that you two are basically the only euro countries that border the horde.

 

[Malakal]

Poland most likely would attack the horde then. If you are not aware of the specifics of the horde system it forces a state permanent war between hordes and civilized states. This means horde could just march its troops and occupy Ukraine and eastern Poland. This in turn means Poland would have to station a permanent garrison there, which greatly reduces its options and is unacceptable in a long term.

EDIT: Actually I suppose we could reach some kind of agreement. But you should try a horde first, it has crippling tech and a lot of rebellions to put down. See if it is your cup of tea.

 

[Destroid]

Ah, I've not played DW before, so anything from it is new to me.

No-one is playing Sweden? I found them a pretty good beginner country.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

If you really want the Horde experience, I would recomend a horde somewhat less... crammed around other players. I would suggest Timurids, with Ottomans and Mamluks taken, your game will be pretty exciting. DW's main hordes are Golden Horde and Timurids, with other hordes like Khazakh, Qara Konylu, Nogai and Oirats playing second fiddle to them.

 

[Malakal]

Sweden is free but Muty will likely fight for it as he is Denmark. Still Sweden is more mighty that Denmark...

And guys, if you have time we could play today. We already have a few guys on Hamachi.

 

[Erzherzog]

I think only 2 players aren't available today, and that's me and..............chef?.

I'm fine with a back up or AI but Austria will probably not be doing much for rest of the game then...

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

What time? I'm free today.

And where is a player needed, by the way?

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

We're going to play soon, as soon as someone walks his dog or something.

Come in come all, we got spots open!

Here's some nation recomendation for new players:


- Timurids (EXTREME horde gamplay, not for newbies)
- Mamluks (pretty dandy fine, I think the only problem it has is techgroup)
- Algiers (Took most of Morroco during game)
- Brabant or Utrecht (can form Netherlands if one knows how to play in the HRE and takes care of France, Denmark and Bavaria)
- Ming (super-strong, immense and rich but slowly-advancing major nation, some people have seen it take over every horde and reach Europe by 1600)
- Malacca (Essentially a crummier oriental Venice with one of the world's richest COTs, can form Malay if I remember right)
- Brunei (pretty much Malacca on a island and no COT)
- Any indian major.
- Oman (african-colonizatiing arabs. Think a crummier Portugal with sandniggers)

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Alright, fuck this Hamachi shit... any way for me to get in without it?

 

[Nex]

we playing now?


edit: nm, 21:00GMT Fri