Game News Pathfinder: Kingmaker details revealed at PaizoCon 2017 - Kickstarter confirmed, possibly in June

[Morality Games]

Not really ballsy so much as opportunistic. The Euros and USD this game would earn would go a long way in rubbles, so if it sold 100,000 copies that would be pretty good.

Also, its module, so a lot of the game was already designed for them. That might pare down development costs (although Tim Cain might disagree).

 

[Galdred]

Kingdom building: A new system based on the tabletop version but without so many micro decisions. The buildings you make impact the Kingdom's alignment and the alignment affects how other kingdoms and visitors interact with it.​

Noooo! Are they just saying that they will replace the economic and strategic aspects of kingdom building with a choice that will only impact which sidequests will be available?
What is the point of porting Kingmaker then?

Mass combat will only be in the game if the Kickstarter campaign spectacularly over funds. It requires that many original assets.

There are many way to do mass combat without having a separate mini game. Granted, the mini game is the approach taken by Kingmaker and most DnD campaigns when it comes to it, but Legends of the 5 Rings had an easy to implement mass combat system where both general roll dice and the outcome of the check are modified by micro encounters involving the heroes.

It could be easy to build things from there without using many original assets. Or even just build up from NWN2 OC and make it dependent on whatever the player did when building the kingdom.

I may be overly pessimistic, but I have waited for years for a game that would be Birthright done right, and I am worried they are not very interested by this part at all.
I hope it does not end as another Crossroad Keep Fiasco, where you spend a lot of time developing a stronghold that has zero impact on the game (I have heard PoE stronghold was the same, but I did not try it).​

 

[ArchAngel]

Kingdom building: A new system based on the tabletop version but without so many micro decisions. The buildings you make impact the Kingdom's alignment and the alignment affects how other kingdoms and visitors interact with it.​

Noooo! Are they just saying that they will replace the economic and strategic aspects of kingdom building with a choice that will only impact which sidequests will be available?
What is the point of porting Kingmaker then?

Mass combat will only be in the game if the Kickstarter campaign spectacularly over funds. It requires that many original assets.

There are many way to do mass combat without having a separate mini game. Granted, the mini game is the approach taken by Kingmaker and most DnD campaigns when it comes to it, but Legends of the 5 Rings had an easy to implement mass combat system where both general roll dice and the outcome of the check are modified by micro encounters involving the heroes.

It could be easy to build things from there without using many original assets. Or even just build up from NWN2 OC and make it dependent on whatever the player did when building the kingdom.

I may be overly pessimistic, but I have waited for years for a game that would be Birthright done right, and I am worried they are not very interested by this part at all.
I hope it does not end as another Crossroad Keep Fiasco, where you spend a lot of time developing a stronghold that has zero impact on the game (I have heard PoE stronghold was the same, but I did not try it).​

Actually that will be in the base game. But they said first stretch goal for their KS campaign will be about making the Kingdom building part bigger and better.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

 

[l3loodAngel]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

I ask thy again! Did you ended up in valhalla because of a hit in the head?
Also do you know what a genre means?

 

[Ulfhednar]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

I ask thy again! Did you ended up in valhalla because of a hit in the head?
Also do you know what a genre means?

So you don't have a specific game in mind?

 

[Ulfhednar]

Genre from Wikipedia:

Genre (/ˈʒɒ̃rə/, /ˈʒɒnrə/ or /ˈdʒɒnrə/; from French genre [ʒɑ̃ʁ(ə)], "kind" or "sort", from Latin genus (stem gener-), Greek γένος, génos) is any form or type of communication in any mode (written, spoken, digital, artistic, etc.) with socially-agreed upon conventions developed over time. Genre is most popularly known as a category of literature, music, or other forms of art or entertainment, whether written or spoken, audio or visual, based on some set of stylistic criteria, yet genres can be aesthetic, rhetorical, communicative, or functional.

So I specified that I was discussing the genre [RTwP isometric Western cRPG]...

 

[l3loodAngel]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

I ask thy again! Did you ended up in valhalla because of a hit in the head?
Also do you know what a genre means?

So you don't have a specific game in mind?

Do you think we are having a debate? You fail to grasp basic terms and try to throw useless garbage my way. What you described above in that verbal diarrhea is not a genre. Nor it will effect anything if the game is released 3 months after a realease of any product. Only products released in the in same week, day or sometimes a month (which I don't believe) hurt sales check how music business handles realeases. Most people will have POE finished in 1~1,5 month tops anyway.
I don't even have to mention that the whole POE 2 is going to be sub par...

 

[Black]

Oh god, people are arguing over poe vs other rtwp.

 

[Ulfhednar]

You fail to grasp basic terms and try to throw useless garbage my way. What you described above in that verbal diarrhea is not a genre.

It is the definition of the word... now who is pulling stuff out of their ass?

 

[meanwhileInPoland]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

all three dragon age games

 

[Ulfhednar]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

all three dragon age games

The Dragon Age games and NWN 1 & 2 are full 3D games, they are not isometric.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isometric_projection

 

[Roguey]

Nothing is isometric.

 

[meanwhileInPoland]

looks isometric enough for me

 

[Ulfhednar]

looks isometric enough for me

Fair enough - If you can swivel the camera around, I'm not going to play it cause it makes me nauseous. So by isometric, I mean a literal 2D projection of a 3D object.

 

[Excidium II]

This is why we don't get isometric games.

 

[Ulfhednar]

If your game can't do this:



Don't call it isometric...

 

[Excidium II]

If your game can't do this:



Don't call it isometric...

Yeah call it trimetric, which is what the projection used by PoE's camera is called.

 

[l3loodAngel]

Again, it doesn't matter whether you like PoE or not... It is ballsy for a no name Russian development studio to release a new flagship RTwP isometric Western cRPG about 3 months after the sequel to the most successful title in that genre in 15 years. With or without Chris Avellone, I have serious doubts about this game's chances of reaching 1,000,000 units the way that PoE did.

You just keep pulling and pulling stuff out your arse. Sawyer is that you? Nobody can be that misguided but him.

So there is another RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker that has sold over 1,000,000 units... do tell us what it is.

all three dragon age games

The Dragon Age games and NWN 1 & 2 are full 3D games, they are not isometric.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isometric_projection

I don't want to ruin your fun, but isometric is not a genre (meanwhileInPoland likely knows this, while our viking buddy...). And quoting some arbitrary qualities with addition "looks like and plays like a game X" does not make it better contrary to popular belief in this thread.

 

[Ulfhednar]

I don't want to ruin your fun, but isometric is not a genre (meanwhileInPoland likely knows this, while our viking buddy...). And quoting some arbitrary qualities with addition "looks like and plays like a game X" does not make it better contrary to popular belief in this thread.

That's how you define a genre - you pick the arbitrary qualities that you want to compare, and then find things that match those qualities.

Again from Wikipedia: Genre is most popularly known as a category of literature, music, or other forms of art or entertainment, whether written or spoken, audio or visual, based on some set of stylistic criteria, yet genres can be aesthetic, rhetorical, communicative, or functional.

That's the great thing about discussing genre - you get to make up your own criteria. Your genre can be literally anything, so long as you tell people what you are talking about first. PoE is an isometric game, so it's fair to compare it to other isometric games.

 

[l3loodAngel]

I don't want to ruin your fun, but isometric is not a genre (meanwhileInPoland likely knows this, while our viking buddy...). And quoting some arbitrary qualities with addition "looks like and plays like a game X" does not make it better contrary to popular belief in this thread.

That's how you define a genre - you pick the arbitrary qualities that you want to compare, and then find things that match those qualities.

Again from Wikipedia: Genre is most popularly known as a category of literature, music, or other forms of art or entertainment, whether written or spoken, audio or visual, based on some set of stylistic criteria, yet genres can be aesthetic, rhetorical, communicative, or functional.

That's the great thing about discussing genre - you get to make up your own criteria. Your genre can be literally anything, so long as you tell people what you are talking about first. PoE is an isometric game, so it's fair to compare it to other isometric games.

RTwP isometric Western cRPG similar to Pathfinder: Kingmaker

You literally believe that you created a new genre here?

 

[Ulfhednar]

You literally believe that you created a new genre here?

I defined the genre that I wanted to talk about... It's like if you went to book club and said I want to read books by Russian author's from the 19th century. Then the book that you would read the next week would be from that genre.

 

[l3loodAngel]

You literally believe that you created a new genre here?

I defined the genre that I wanted to talk about... It's like if you went to book club and said I want to read books by Russian author's from the 19th century. Then the book that you would read the next week would be from that genre.

A book by Russian/British/German author is NOT a genre. Soviet science fiction or History (in soviet era. Technically also fiction) are genres.

 

[thesheeep]

l3loodAngel You don't understand. I think he understands "genre" like.. hmmm.
It's like art.
As soon as anyone says "this is art", it is art. Whether you like it or not.

It is about as useful as a definition as "this is an RPG because I play a role hurr durr".

 

[Ulfhednar]

You literally believe that you created a new genre here?

I defined the genre that I wanted to talk about... It's like if you went to book club and said I want to read books by Russian author's from the 19th century. Then the book that you would read the next week would be from that genre.

A book by Russian/British/German author is NOT a genre. Soviet science fiction or History (in soviet era. Technically also fiction) are genres.

Great! - Could you please let the rest know when you have sorted out this perfect hierarchical classification of all known media. The librarians have been working on that problem for a few centuries now. In the meantime, I'll keep using the word 'genre' in the sense of I want to define a group of like things, rather than in the strictly taxonomic sense. Like most people do...