Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Yosharian]

River Fox's Memento Pendant

• +5 Competence to Trickery & Mobility
• Versus flanked characters, denies their Dex bonus to AC and deals +1D6 Sneak Attack damage
• Versus enemies not yet in combat, +3D6 Sneak Attack damage

I had a thought about this item. Perhaps if a damage dealer has this item, then they don't need Shatter Defenses?

Any shaken, frightened, or panicked opponent hit by you this round is flat-footed to your attacks until the end of your next turn. This includes any additional attacks you make this round.

For a damage dealer that reliably gets enemies flanked, he'll basically never need Shatter Defenses because River Fox Memento will automatically negate enemies' Dex bonuses and open them to Sneak Attack.

Counterpoint: sometimes you don't have a target flanked, and in those situations you'll need Shatter Defenses.... not sure if it's worth a ton of feats though?

Thoughts? Of course this item is in Chapter 5 so it's a late pickup, but still could be worth it on a build that's starved for feats.

 

[NJClaw]

River Fox's Memento Pendant

• +5 Competence to Trickery & Mobility
• Versus flanked characters, denies their Dex bonus to AC and deals +1D6 Sneak Attack damage
• Versus enemies not yet in combat, +3D6 Sneak Attack damage

I had a thought about this item. Perhaps if a damage dealer has this item, then they don't need Shatter Defenses?

Any shaken, frightened, or panicked opponent hit by you this round is flat-footed to your attacks until the end of your next turn. This includes any additional attacks you make this round.

For a damage dealer that reliably gets enemies flanked, he'll basically never need Shatter Defenses because River Fox Memento will automatically negate enemies' Dex bonuses and open them to Sneak Attack.

Counterpoint: sometimes you don't have a target flanked, and in those situations you'll need Shatter Defenses.... not sure if it's worth a ton of feats though?

Thoughts? Of course this item is in Chapter 5 so it's a late pickup, but still could be worth it on a build that's starved for feats.

Do we know if dodge bonuses are implemented correctly in Kingmaker? In Pathfinder, when your Dexterity bonus to AC is denied, you also lose your Dodge one. Does Kingmaker work like that?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

But what's the elven king?

Marked for purging.

 

[Yosharian]

River Fox's Memento Pendant

• +5 Competence to Trickery & Mobility
• Versus flanked characters, denies their Dex bonus to AC and deals +1D6 Sneak Attack damage
• Versus enemies not yet in combat, +3D6 Sneak Attack damage

I had a thought about this item. Perhaps if a damage dealer has this item, then they don't need Shatter Defenses?

Any shaken, frightened, or panicked opponent hit by you this round is flat-footed to your attacks until the end of your next turn. This includes any additional attacks you make this round.

For a damage dealer that reliably gets enemies flanked, he'll basically never need Shatter Defenses because River Fox Memento will automatically negate enemies' Dex bonuses and open them to Sneak Attack.

Counterpoint: sometimes you don't have a target flanked, and in those situations you'll need Shatter Defenses.... not sure if it's worth a ton of feats though?

Thoughts? Of course this item is in Chapter 5 so it's a late pickup, but still could be worth it on a build that's starved for feats.

Do we know if dodge bonuses are implemented correctly in Kingmaker? In Pathfinder, when your Dexterity bonus to AC is denied, you also lose your Dodge one. Does Kingmaker work like that?

I believe that's the case, yes. I remember when my Dex tank, who didn't have Uncanny Dodge at the time, lost tons of his AC during the first round - he lost all his dodge bonuses as well as his Dex bonus.

The question is whether the item is coded like that. It probably is. If it is, maybe it can replace Shatter Defenses.

 

[trimethylsilyl]

Mouse over failed checks to see how you failed, or successful ones to see how you succeeded.

I know. There are no camping checks in that picture, all the Lore (Nature) checks are for identifying the Boggards.

 

[Yosharian]

You can equip multiple rods on a character. So, can rods that boost DCs be stacked, such as Rod of Power Source?

 

[Desiderius]

Thoughts? Of course this item is in Chapter 5 so it's a late pickup, but still could be worth it on a build that's starved for feats.

I had the same thought. Results inconclusive.

Could just be reminder text that flanking is already giving flat-footed?

 

[Desiderius]

Mouse over failed checks to see how you failed, or successful ones to see how you succeeded.

I know. There are no camping checks in that picture, all the Lore (Nature) checks are for identifying the Boggards.

There's also no time passed information that you would have if you'd rested, so either you forgot to rest or are looking at the wrong part of the log.

Possible that you've got your info configured differently in the difficulty menu.

 

[Xamenos]

But what's the elven king?

Close to the end of the game, right before you enter Nyrissa's funhouse, you come across an ancient crown with the spirit of an elven king bound to it. You have three options on what to do with it. You can keep it, research the curse and use the spirit to help you against Nyrissa, give it to Pharasma so the soul can pass on, or hand it over to Shyka the Many for... shenanigans.

 

[Lady_Error]

Okay, I'm new here.

Giving Kingmaker another try - chose the chaotic and evil companions (huge incline that's it's possible). BUT does the game stay railroaded like that? That's my biggest issue with it so far.

The leveling up in different classes is kind of weird, but okay. Definitely something new.

 

[NJClaw]

Okay, I'm new here.

Giving Kingmaker another try - chose the chaotic and evil companions (huge incline that's it's possible). BUT does the game stay railroaded like that? That's my biggest issue with it so far.

The leveling up in different classes is kind of weird, but okay. Definitely something new.

What do you mean by "railroaded like that"? The "main plot" is divided in acts, so it's mostly linear (sometimes it gives you two tasks and you have to decide which one to complete first, with your decision bearing consequences), but you are free to explore the world map however you like.

If you are referring to which companions you have access to, you will be able to recruit all of them, but at different times during the story according to your actions.

 

[Lady_Error]

The free exploration of the world map becomes possible after the trading post act with the three month limit? I guess you get the kingdom then and can go where you want?

 

[LannTheStupid]

The free exploration of the world map becomes possible after the trading post act with the three month limit? I guess you get the kingdom then and can go where you want?

Why don't you start the game on "Normal" and just play it for, like, 5 hours?

If you feel "railroaded", "overwhelmed" or have some other reddity feelings you drop the game. If the game is too difficult you drop the difficulty 1 notch. If the game is OK, but the combat feels boring, you up the difficulty.

Repeat until you either finish the game or uninstall it.

 

[Pink Eye]

>reddity feelings
lol

 

[NJClaw]

The free exploration of the world map becomes possible after the trading post act with the three month limit? I guess you get the kingdom then and can go where you want?

Usually each act unlocks a region or two, so the exploration is never totally free (except during the very last couple of acts). Inside the "unlocked" regions, you are free to explore however you want, but you usually have some "indications", since main quests often revolves around visiting certain areas.

You will always have some sort of "time limits", but they are always very lenient (you will always have time to fuck around and make mistakes).

Probably the best thing to do if you want to explore the map as freely as possible is to build Teleportation Circles as soon as possible in every village you set up. However, to understand how to build them you need to spoil some game mechanics (Kingdom primary and secondary stats relations) for yourself.

 

[Lady_Error]

The free exploration of the world map becomes possible after the trading post act with the three month limit? I guess you get the kingdom then and can go where you want?

Why don't you start the game on "Normal" and just play it for, like, 5 hours?

If you feel "railroaded", "overwhelmed" or have some other reddity feelings you drop the game. If the game is too difficult you drop the difficulty 1 notch. If the game is OK, but the combat feels boring, you up the difficulty.

Repeat until you either finish the game or uninstall it.

Where did I say anything about "overwhelmed"? I just wanted to make sure there is open-world exploration at some point, that's it.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

The free exploration of the world map becomes possible after the trading post act with the three month limit? I guess you get the kingdom then and can go where you want?

Why don't you start the game on "Normal" and just play it for, like, 5 hours?

If you feel "railroaded", "overwhelmed" or have some other reddity feelings you drop the game. If the game is too difficult you drop the difficulty 1 notch. If the game is OK, but the combat feels boring, you up the difficulty.

Repeat until you either finish the game or uninstall it.

Where did I say anything about "overwhelmed"? I just wanted to make sure there is open-world exploration at some point, that's it.

It opens up gradually each chapter. You'll find rivers you can't cross until you complete the current story quest.

But there's quite a bit to explore and find within each chapter. Its more open than Icewind Dale, but not quite at BG1/2 level.

 

[Gargaune]

Where did I say anything about "overwhelmed"? I just wanted to make sure there is open-world exploration at some point, that's it.

It's gradual, like the others have said, but it's not a dripfeed. After you complete the first chapter and establish your barony you're free to roam the central part of the map up to the long mountain range to the east, which unlocks about midway through, and to the Sellen river to the west, which unlocks a bit later on after that. Overall, I doubt you'll have the chance to feel claustrophobic, there's plenty to explore in each stage but don't go in expecting megadungeons, most areas to discover are fairly small and centre around one point of interest or encounter.

Make sure to have a character with high Perception in your party and keep pumping it as you progress, there's plenty of areas on the world map that are hidden behind Perception checks when you pass by them.

 

[Desiderius]

Where did I say anything about "overwhelmed"? I just wanted to make sure there is open-world exploration at some point, that's it.

It's gradual, like the others have said, but it's not a dripfeed. After you complete the first chapter and establish your barony you're free to roam the central part of the map up to the long mountain range to the east, which unlocks about midway through, and to the Sellen river to the west, which unlocks a bit later on after that. Overall, I doubt you'll have the chance to feel claustrophobic, there's plenty to explore in each stage but don't go in expecting megadungeons, most areas to discover are fairly small and centre around one point of interest or encounter.

Make sure to have a character with high Perception in your party and keep pumping it as you progress, there's plenty of areas on the world map that are hidden behind Perception checks when you pass by them.

Chaotic Evil fans asking for help, part gazillion in a spoiled Zoomer series.

For the non-CE reading along, you get multiple bites at the Perception apple each time, so it's worth it to have several toons at least competent at it.

 

[NJClaw]

Where did I say anything about "overwhelmed"? I just wanted to make sure there is open-world exploration at some point, that's it.

Make sure to have a character with high Perception in your party and keep pumping it as you progress, there's plenty of areas on the world map that are hidden behind Perception checks when you pass by them.

Usually I try to max Perception on at least two characters (three if possible), because you can get fucked by a bad roll and savescumming for perception rolls is horribly painful (you also need to know where exaclty you are supposed to find something).

 

[Lady_Error]

Make sure to have a character with high Perception in your party and keep pumping it as you progress, there's plenty of areas on the world map that are hidden behind Perception checks when you pass by them.

Made a Ranger with 18 Perception - I like sniper builds.

 

[Pink Eye]

Ha! Chaotic evil, more like, CHAOTIC STOOPID! Ha!
Fuck me that will never get good.

 

[Lady_Error]

Chaotic Evil fans asking for help, part gazillion in a spoiled Zoomer series.

WTF is wrong with you people? Ask a question in a game thread and be accused of being a redditor, spoiled zoomer, and what not.

 

[Efe]

you are free to go wherever you want in first act too.
you are limited by fog but can move freely within it. 3 months if plenty of time. feel free to roam.

definitely go to ratnook hill for some sweet loot

 

[Pink Eye]

Agreed. Ratnook Hill has some good loot. Go to it as soon as you can.