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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat
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rusty_shackleford
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Raghar
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Loading screens are fucked up. There are loading screens even where they shouldn't be at all. Kingdom managenment has about 0 RAM impact, and could be done without loading screen. The same applies for transition between throne room and bed.
And well even streamers complained about not being able to go straight to the overland map. Loading screen, then walking through city, then loading screen.
And then I seen even on pirate forum how pirates were questioning why this game isn't bug free after such long time, and why developers are releasing these massive patches.
Basically, it's quite weird they are still have these problems. They have sufficient team, and not everyone is without previous experience.
Elex
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the big difference is the money invested in making the game.Also Deadfire is selling for 45Euro while P:KM is 40 Euro. It matters when both games only sold few 100 000 copies.
Jokes aside, Deadfire came out about 4 months before Kingmaker and has had several sales that included the 3 DLCs. Kingmaker's first DLC just came out. So we are not exactly comparing apples to apples.
the two budget are not comparable.
Don't like to think 99% of fans supported both eh?
2house2fly
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No idea what that means; I'm not particularly invested in the success of either game (I wish Deadfire had sold better because that would likely have increased the DLC budget, and I plan on playing Kingmaker once it's done because it has some Avellone writing) I'm just entertained by the way people will twist their perception of how a game is being received based on how they personally feel about it. Only 10% of Pillars 1 players completed the game because of how bad it was, only 2% of Kingmaker players completed because of how good it is.
"it's refreshing to see someone admit that this game owes its success entirely to Pillars Of Eternity's presence in the marketplace."
What did Pillars owe it's success to?
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Fuck if I know. I've occasionally bugged Grunker about writing one since he's our resident Pathfinder expert, but he's too busy....and also currently playing PoE2.
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Fuck if I know. I've occasionally bugged Grunker about writing one since he's our resident Pathfinder expert, but he's too busy....and also currently playing PoE2.
Ya left out the most important part: I won't be playing it till it's patched up the arse
2house2fly
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kickstarter buzz and the infinity engine games
But PF owes PoE, because it's guilty by association to this unnamed person.
Lol.
Darth Canoli
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Interesting review.
I mostly agree but unlike you, i can't stand NWN2:OC, the story is alright (on the bad side but i'd have forgive it with a ToEE engine) but the combat is a bore and that's what's the game about.
Pathfinder is better though and the first chapter was alright.
I saw some people in awe before the character creation, well, it's good enough but i'm not impressed, i think Low Magic Age handles it better and it's far from Wizardry 8 level.
The very beginning was a pain though, every single battle was tough and i didn't play in a maximum difficulty mode, more at 100% DMG and stuff + unlimited resurrection.
The battle with the bandit lord had me retry 3 or 4 times
until i turned the owlbear to my side, i'm sure he'd have kill them all alone
It was the best part of the game so far.
After the ceremony (second chapter ?), things turn out to be disappointing, kingdom management can't be done remotely and asks for constant loading screens, traveling speed is terrible and as you travel farther, you spend more time loading/ camping than anything else, worse, after camping, your party is fatigued unless you pick a special feat (i guess / hope)
The last straw was finding an area plagued by rats when exploring
turns out upon entering the cave it's about wererats, tough motherfuckers but the thing is, one of them had unlimited high level alchemy fire potions and kept throwing them until he wiped everyone out.
Seriously ? A wererat with those potions is bad enough but unlimited amount of them ?
Seriously ? A wererat with those potions is bad enough but unlimited amount of them ?
That's when i quit but really, the loading frequencies + terrible traveling management + terrible kingdom management UI did the job.
That's a shame because many games did succeed in kingdom management (UFO / AoW / HoMM / Warlords ) and they chose to ignore those prestigious titles.
Instead, they load the throne room instead of allowing to manage it remotely with a management tab not requirering any loading screen nor traveling.
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Generic-Giant-Spider
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I loved that Stag Lord fight. It was the right amount of difficulty and you spent the whole act preparing for it and by the time you got there it wasn't a push over or anything, it was a tough fight that had your crew take on Stag Lord's crew.
It was cool to fight enemies that actually used their abilities and items that made sense for them. One of the Stag Lord's henchmen was I believe a Rogue of some sort that would use invisibility potions to conceal themselves then deliver a nasty surprise attack. Then he had his clerics and such casting buffs and CC all around. I'm a big fan of party vs. party confrontations, there's something very satisfying about coming out on top against rival adventurers.
It was cool to fight enemies that actually used their abilities and items that made sense for them. One of the Stag Lord's henchmen was I believe a Rogue of some sort that would use invisibility potions to conceal themselves then deliver a nasty surprise attack. Then he had his clerics and such casting buffs and CC all around. I'm a big fan of party vs. party confrontations, there's something very satisfying about coming out on top against rival adventurers.
Darth Canoli
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Generic-Giant-Spider Exactly, we need more of those as much as we need more good TB cRPG with less loading sessions or none. A man can dream ...
ArchAngel
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You can do Stag Lord as lvl 4 or 5. If you know what you are doing you don't need the owlbear. I guess the owlbear is there for people like you that don't know what they are doing.
Wererats is an optional encounter meant to challenge lvl 4/5 parties. Alchemist does not have unlimited firebombs, in one of my fights vs him I had him run out. The trick is to have communal protection vs fire or at least to cast it on few frontline targets that you lead him to attack. If you don't have a spell, you can buy scrolls for that at priests in your city (and if you do the fight in chapter 1, Kavken sell them at Oleg's)
But I agree that the speed of loading screens and badly designed kingdom management lessen what is otherwise an excellent cRPG.
2house2fly
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the "unnamed person" is Chris Avellone. And I'm just going by posts in this thread which stated the reason 98% of people didn't want to stick with the game long enough to finish it is that a lot of them bought it expecting it to be like Pillars of Eternity.
Darth Canoli
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On the failed attempts, i fought the owlbear with the stag's lord group, also, i didn't explore a small area on the right side of the main building, so there was two dangerous named goons : one on the left side with a cleric, one on the right side joining the fight with some delay + the stag lord and the owlbear killing everything in his path.
The rogue and the others aren't that much of a problem.
I'm not sure but i think my party was level 4 and the two named goons were far superior, i'm quite sure they're level 6/7
So yes, it's probably possible to win it just by locking the owlbear's cage but i didn't try.
This actually isn't that bad, depending on your difficulty level. I usually fight it on challenging, for reference.
Buff Valerie with fire protection, send her after the alchemist so it throws bombs at her then move her to the opposite side of the alchemist. Use the rest of the group to fight the other two wererats and kill them. The short sword one is weaker than the kukri one, so kill it first to get rid of their flanking sneak attacks. You can also try early debuffs like hideous laughter. Once the first two meleers are down, send the group after the alchemist. If need be, move Valerie out of melee range still on the opposite side from the group. The alchemist will still keep throwing fire bombs at her but the rest of the group will be out of splash range. Use healing potions on Valerie as necessary.
Darth Canoli
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Well, my last save was from 2 hours ago and i disabled auto-saves so there's that but fear not, there's plenty of good games to play / replay out there.
ArchAngel
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So now we come to the main reason why you are quitting lol. You don't want to replay 2 hours because you were a dumbfuck that disabled autosaves :D
Also I fixed your sentence for you
Darth Canoli
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I wouldn't mind replay 2 hours of PK but wererats with tons of alchemy fire potions, terrible kingdom management UI, loading screens, annoying traveling features and camping got the better of me.
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