Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Average Manatee]

I'm not saying you can't stack AB. The problem is that its poor feedback to the player when (in this case) he's just casting random buffs and seeing no difference because there is no difference between 10 AB and 30 AB when fighting a 55 AC monster. That's just stupid mechanical design, increasing your character's accuracy with a weapon in an RPG should always increase their chance to hit.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm not saying you can't stack AB. The problem is that its poor feedback to the player when (in this case) he's just casting random buffs and seeing no difference because there is no difference between 10 AB and 30 AB when fighting a 55 AC monster. That's just stupid mechanical design, increasing your character's accuracy with a weapon in an RPG should always increase their chance to hit.

He doesn't have any buffs up at all.

 

[mediocrepoet]

I'm not saying you can't stack AB. The problem is that its poor feedback to the player when (in this case) he's just casting random buffs and seeing no difference because there is no difference between 10 AB and 30 AB when fighting a 55 AC monster. That's just stupid mechanical design, increasing your character's accuracy with a weapon in an RPG should always increase their chance to hit.

He doesn't have any buffs up at all.

And the point you're missing is that for some fights/difficulties, there's no difference between having a shitload but not quite enough buffs up and having no buffs up, because of the way that Owlcats inflated things. Anyway, I'm never quite certain if you're really this autistic and have devoted your life to playing a handful of games because reasons, or if you're an amazing parody of certain segments of the fanbase. The number of places you've managed to get banned suggests autism though, as have our past conversations.

Here's the thing, when you need to mod to make a buff round more manageable and not completely tedious, that isn't a triumph of game design. Also, you're at times guilty of talking about how people should be able to do X, Y, Z, while showing pictures of combinations of mod shit that doesn't even exist in the vanilla game. At that point, why not just mod in a spell that gives you e.g. AB +50 and talk about how pro-gamer you are and everyone else is just a retard.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

I'm not saying you can't stack AB. The problem is that its poor feedback to the player when (in this case) he's just casting random buffs and seeing no difference because there is no difference between 10 AB and 30 AB when fighting a 55 AC monster. That's just stupid mechanical design, increasing your character's accuracy with a weapon in an RPG should always increase their chance to hit.

He doesn't have any buffs up at all.

That's bullshit.
Stop being a rabid retarded.

I stacked Stone skin, haste, prayer, bless, communal protection from evil and chaos, Inspiring command and a lot more.
I also tried to throw in Greater heroism on both the two main melees (my sword saint and Sheila, because I simply don't have enough spell slots for everyone) and buff their weapons as holy and blessed respectively.
It hardly made a difference as I could barely hit the giant fucker... And that's when I didn't just lose the initiative lottery to begin with and I had a blade barrier wrecking havoc over the entire party before the actual fight even began.

It may not be enough but I don't have a lot more to throw in the mix and IF I DO I need CLEAR instructions on what I'm supposed to cast.
Among the stuff that I ACTUALLY have, not using your munchkin MC as model.
And keeping in mind that a lot of buffs REPLACE others rather than stacking.

The only two or three attempts I managed to win the fight so far felt like I was basically cheating to achieve it (and I still lost party members in the process, and I never consider a fight really "won" unless the entire party comes out alive).

 

[ga♥]

Best bet on Playful Darkness is to come back to fight him at end of Act 4 when you’ve a few more levels and another Mythic. He sticks around and there’s a hidden area you can get to as well.

Just let Seelah solo him at that point (11 of this is from mods that require taking feats but still I guess):

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What's invoke deity and erastil focus? ... mods?
Also wasn't crane wing fixed? I see you have a shield, is it a old SS huh?

In my ongoing playthrough, crane wing is bugged, I have Seelah not having armor and no shield, only one longsword, and it doesn't work, waste of feats.

 

[Desiderius]

I'm not saying you can't stack AB. The problem is that its poor feedback to the player when (in this case) he's just casting random buffs and seeing no difference because there is no difference between 10 AB and 30 AB when fighting a 55 AC monster. That's just stupid mechanical design, increasing your character's accuracy with a weapon in an RPG should always increase their chance to hit.

He doesn't have any buffs up at all.

And the point you're missing is that for some fights/difficulties, there's no difference between having a shitload but not quite enough buffs up and having no buffs up, because of the way that Owlcats inflated things. Anyway, I'm never quite certain if you're really this autistic and have devoted your life to playing a handful of games because reasons, or if you're an amazing parody of certain segments of the fanbase. The number of places you've managed to get banned suggests autism though, as have our past conversations.

Here's the thing, when you need to mod to make a buff round more manageable and not completely tedious, that isn't a triumph of game design. Also, you're at times guilty of talking about how people should be able to do X, Y, Z, while showing pictures of combinations of mod shit that doesn't even exist in the vanilla game. At that point, why not just mod in a spell that gives you e.g. AB +50 and talk about how pro-gamer you are and everyone else is just a retard.

Of course there is. He's barely missing that range here unbuffed. If he had the usual number of a person actually trying he'd be up to 75% to hit chance. If he added some meta knowledge he'd be autohit +10.

Why would you even want a game where you could hit the gateway mega-boss without even trying? You're making no sense. D;OS II didn't do that. Fort Joy has two fights way harder than this, and ship fight seems impossible first go even if you're playing well.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Why would you even want a game where you could hit the gateway mega-boss without even trying? You're making no sense. D;OS II didn't do that. Fort Joy has two fights way harder than this

No, it really didn't.

 

[ga♥]

The only two or three attempts I managed to win the fight so far felt like I was basically cheating to achieve it (and I still lost party members in the process, and I never consider a fight really "won" unless the entire party comes out alive).

What is your mythic? Anyway, I suspect you built your party in a super gimpy way (I don't know, did you increase Seelah strenght instead of charisma?), how did you kill playful darkness and have problem with this fight?. If I have time I will get your save and try to record a video tomorrow, but won't be turn based.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

What is your mythic? Anyway, I suspect you built your party in a super gimpy way, how did you kill playful darkness and have problem with this fight?. If I have time I will get your save and try to record a video tomorrow, but won't be turn based.

Maybe.
That's why I suggested the "experts" here to check out my file.
If doing a lot better isn't out of the reach of my party I would LOVE to learn how.

I'm not fucking new to this genre, eh. I'm familiar with turn-based combat of all sorts.
And I usually know that if you can't do better, there's usually a simple explanation somewhere.

I started venting my frustration here precisely because no matter where I looked to get some CLEAR and useful tips I couldn't find anything useful beside a bunch of messy videos "MUH MUNCHKIN BUILD SOLOES THE FIGHT IN TEN SECONDS" and Desiderius spamming his fucking tooltips.

My corrupt magic removed a lot of buffs on him and lowered his AC to 40s.

That's nice and all but I don't play a Lich (nor I plan to), so I don't have it.

 

[Desiderius]

Best bet on Playful Darkness is to come back to fight him at end of Act 4 when you’ve a few more levels and another Mythic. He sticks around and there’s a hidden area you can get to as well.

Just let Seelah solo him at that point (11 of this is from mods that require taking feats but still I guess):

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What's invoke deity and erastil focus? ... mods?
Also wasn't crane wing fixed? I see you have a shield, is it a old SS huh?

In my ongoing playthrough, crane wing is bugged, I have Seelah not having armor and no shield, only one longsword, and it doesn't work, waste of feats.

I knew you phaggots would obsess about that. She's got 112 AC! Take off the shit you're whining about and she still isn't close to getting hit. On Unfair. On the supposedly super-impossible challenge fight.

Those are obviously from mods. Invoke Diety is a weird high level spell that Pals get at lvl 4 in their spellbook I think. Don't usually use it but turned it on for this shot. Erastil Focus takes a Feat and a Standard Action IIRC. Wing likewise probably wasn't worth the Feats. She took a Monk level at 14 to use Monk Shirt and starts with Dodge though. It hardly ever triggered. Was just fixed a couple months ago.

Entirely beside the point. Give her a TSS level at lvl 6 and she can tank anything but Lost Chapel Demodand without any mods.

 

[Desiderius]

What is your mythic? Anyway, I suspect you built your party in a super gimpy way, how did you kill playful darkness and have problem with this fight?. If I have time I will get your save and try to record a video tomorrow, but won't be turn based.

Maybe.
That's why I suggested the "experts" here to check out my file.
If doing a lot better isn't out of the reach of my party I would LOVE to learn how.

I'm not fucking new to this genre, eh. I'm familiar with turn-based combat of all sorts.
And I usually know that if you can't do better, there's usually a simple explanation somewhere.

I started venting my frustration here precisely because no matter where I looked to get some CLEAR and useful tips I couldn't find anything useful beside a bunch of messy videos "MUH MUNCHKIN BUILD SOLOES THE FIGHT IN TEN SECONDS" and Desiderius spamming his fucking tooltips.

Tooltips? It's a fucking Combat Log! Maybe use yours?

I told you what you need to do and listed the types of buffs so you can stack them. Why are you so fucking allergic to simply reading your own spellbook?

Party comp is irrelevant. He isn't even using the spells and abilities Seelah has herself.

Stop whining. READ!

 

[Desiderius]

You know, the thing is that it's hard for me to play a new game myself without using a guide to make sure I'm not wasting my time doing obviously stupid shit. Back in the day I could only afford one game every few months or so and had more free time so could afford to figure out everything for myself (still needed clue book on Wiz 7 IIRC).

The problem is that teh guides have gotten progressively worse and that you're not even doing the basics of just familiarizing with your spellbook and abilities. Can't use a guide effectively without at least doing that.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

But that's the issue. You didn't do shit.
The useful thing I extracted from you is that you told me to use Heroism and I did (Greater, specifically).
It wasn't exactly a revelation, nor the first time I tried it, but I listened.
It also wasn't even remotely enough to make a difference. I'm still in the range where just the odd criticals seem to land.

I can't make any use of a couple of fucking names muttered confusedly and randomly thrown into the pit. Especially if you suggest some of the ones I don't have available at the moment (like in your combat log).
I need to have a clear understanding of how I can stack buffs as much as possible in my favor given my current situation.

I wasn't even joking when I said "Give a look at my savefile" and I linked it to you.
Maybe you may offer some USEFUL insight, for once, instead of being a pedantic smug autistic.

 

[ga♥]

What is your mythic? Anyway, I suspect you built your party in a super gimpy way, how did you kill playful darkness and have problem with this fight?. If I have time I will get your save and try to record a video tomorrow, but won't be turn based.

Maybe.
That's why I suggested the "experts" here to check out my file.

Start by giving infos, party level, class, composition and equipment. Also mythic.

Btw you will have a lot of trouble after the fane if you this was difficult.

 

[Average Manatee]

It may not be enough but I don't have a lot more to throw in the mix and IF I DO I need CLEAR instructions on what I'm supposed to cast.

Bruh

In this case Desiderius is correct. This is a game that revolves around stacking buff spells and you've basically just got bless, haste, and enlarge person working in your favor? You don't even appear to be buffing Seelah's Charisma for a better smite. I can't see your full party but Arue can use Ranger's Bond to share +4 AB/Damage with the rest of the party (assuming you focused her on a specific demon type, instant enemy can spread it to all others) and Sosiel should have some busted domain power from impossible domain, like Guarded Hearth which will give everyone something like +6-10 AB by sharing his wisdom bonus as an AB bonus. Nenio should have Greater Heroism (+4 morale AB) and rage (+2 morale Strength). Seelah can have Burst of Glory (+1 sacred AB), Eaglesoul (+4 Sacred str, you might have this already not sure), and Divine Favor (+3 luck AB)

For dispelling you use this:

If you're OK with a bit of cheese you can use it, rest, use it on another character, repeat until everyone has their next dispel attempt maximized.

Altogether that's around a 30 to 35 AB swing in your favor if you removed his two AC buffs and had all these AB buffs, and you only need 22 to hit him on everything but a 1 so you can be missing a lot of these and still do fine. And I can't even see the rest of your party to see what they might add.

You have to have access to most of these aside from the sosiel domain abilities (pick them up when you can) and the ring of automatic take 20 on dispel (pick it up when you go back to Drezen I think?)

 

[Desiderius]

Why are you using Bless at lvl 15? How do you not have Crusader's Edge up? It's kind of the theme of the game for God's sake.

Add some Sacred, Competence, decent Morale, Insight, and Luck bonuses.

And you still haven't read your own goddamned spellbook.

 

[Desiderius]

Maybe you may offer some USEFUL insight, for once, instead of being a pedantic smug autistic.

Smug? I told you I get pwned in PvP and Raids. I'm just a guy who reads and tries shit.

The purpose of the Reg pic was for you to look at the list and the different types of bonuses and see which ones you're missing.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

And you still haven't read your own goddamned spellbook.

Just because I didn't answer when you were being pedantic doesn't mean I didn't read.
And to answer the question: I used Bless simply because it comes cheap (low level spell slot), because strangely enough he game didn't seem to give me a warning about conflicting/overlapping with other stuff AND because I was just trying to throw everything and the kitchen sink in, at that point.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

You have to have access to most of these aside from the sosiel domain abilities (pick them up when you can) and the ring of automatic take 20 on dispel (pick it up when you go back to Drezen I think?)

I did read your post and I took note.
I CAN'T FUCKING LEAVE THE FANE, though, so currently that's not particularly useful to me, since I can't change party composition nor go hunting for other items I'm missing.

 

[Desiderius]

And you still haven't read your own goddamned spellbook.

Just because I didn't answer when you were being pedantic doesn't mean I didn't read.
And to answer the question: I used Bless simply because it comes cheap (low level spell slot), because strangely enough he game didn't seem to give me a warning about conflicting/overlapping with other stuff AND because I was just trying to throw everything and the kitchen sink in, at that point.

You still haven't read it. She has *self-* buffs you aren't using.

The kitchen sink lol? You've barely strapped on your sword.

Bless doesn't cancel Heroism (or preferably at this point Greater), it's the other way around. Reg has a Morale Aura that stacks with other Morale bonuses (although it probably shouldn't).

You're missing anything from five other categories.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

You still haven't read it. She has *self-* buffs you aren't using.

Ok, which ones exactly?
I used greater angelic form. More than that?

 

[Desiderius]

You still haven't read it. She has *self-* buffs you aren't using.

Ok, which ones exactly?
I used greater angelic form. More than that?

Yes. I'm not going to read it for you. That's (more than) half the fun.

 

[Desiderius]

Cam even has a (colossally shitty) scaling Aura that's better than Bless by that point.

 

[mediocrepoet]

You still haven't read it. She has *self-* buffs you aren't using.

Ok, which ones exactly?
I used greater angelic form. More than that?

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/ is a useful resource for Pathfinder tabletop rules. Owlcats tried to more or less faithfully implement these rules, so often it will help, especially if looking at core mechanics issues.

As for types of buffs that overlap or not, there are a few that do (I don't recall offhand), but when in doubt, assume that anything that isn't luck, dodge, or untyped (IIRC) won't stack. So morale, pick your best (bless and prayer are both morale, so is heroism, IIRC) for the circumstance. Enhancement bonuses will tend to come from gear, making most of those attribute spell buffs worthless, depending on your gear load out. Etc.

This might be in the in game glossary, but I'm not sure. I've never looked for it because it's sort of background 3.XE knowledge, though sometimes the specifics change between the different versions of 3E (inc. Pathfinder).

Hope that helps.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

On a side note, let's address the final trolling in that fight: you kill the fucker and he does up to 50 splash damage around himself while going down.
These devs are fucking sadists.