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[Desiderius]

Build advice?

Not interested in min-maxing but also don't want to be worthless by midgame.

Ley Line Guardian because I like spontaneous casters and the ability to boost spell DC might be nice. Dex isn't that high because I'm not planning on using ranged touch attacks much, so it's mostly for AC. Charisma is higher than it needs to be because he's also kind of a skill monkey and I need it for persuasion. Necromancy focus because it's one of the ways of killing things I want to focus on. Winter patron for winter witch so that ice evocation is the other way I kill things. Summon spell because that will probably be my third way of killing things and I might spend a mythic feat on buffing them. Atheism because . Chaotic neutral because UwU.

Mostly curious about the hexes. Which is best? Took iceplant because AC. Heard that enemies become immune to mind affecting later so is slumber worth it? What should be my bread and butter? Which of the grand hexes are worth it and which are a trap? I noticed one that's supposed to kill you but only after three (or two?) skill checks and then there was another one that turns the enemy into an animal only after one but I don't know if it's permanent.

Why you need AC you’re a caster? Freedom of Movement cancels downside of your ability. Look at Winter Witch and Evocation or Abjuration.

Since you’re about boosting Caster level look at things that care about that. You get rerolls with things that give you advantage (like Sosiel’s Bit of Luck) on Dispel, Greater for instance.

 

[LannTheStupid]

there are bugs that will brick your entire gawddamn savegame

List 3 examples. Game location, expected behaviour, received behaviour.

completely untested parts of the game

Please, share with us internal QA documents from Owlcat Games. Use TOR and .onion domain if you are afraid of being sued.

the army of owlcat cucks that will jump at anyone and anything trying to point out that this is simply an unfinished game.

Nice to meet you. No, this is not an unfinished game. Yes, the game was beta-tested by at least several hundred people. One documented case of full playthrough on this prestigious forum revealed 3 documented major bugs. Which did not prevent the game to be finished.

the amount of crashing is unbearable.

Then check your thermals, your antivirus, and whatever else you have on what you consider "a PC". I was wtiring this for Kingmaker, and I will be writing it here: large Unity games put unduly load on the hardware, and, as such, are good testing tools. What you are describing means your system is unstable; if you run Prime95 for 4 hours and then Furmark for the same time I bet you will have crashes as well. Also, memtest86 would be good. Does your computer even render sincle-core Cinebench in a reasonable time?

P.S.: this is my REEEEE for today. Thank you.

 

[Raghar]

It's a REALLY fun game but the amount of crashing is unbearable. you need to constantly save otherwise youre scrwed. 10/10, two thumbs up, GOTY.

While I agree that the game needs more than a couple of months of hard work to be considered finished, all this talking about crashing is surprising to me. After a bit more than 20 hours, it crashed only once because I alt-tabbed while skipping a cutscene (and in my book that's a legit situation for a game to crash). Right now, WotR is definitely more stable than Kingmaker at release. But that's not a very high bar to surpass, I guess.

Is it really? Those two are the top negative reviews on Steam right now and they definitely gave me pause, but, otherwise, I really wanna play the game.

This game is so shit in character department that crashing would be actually beneficial. No longer reading fanfic about Transvestite licking female ork, but a crash in most inappropriate moment which would change trannie fanfic into something funny.

 

[Parabalus]

Oooo a long sword +2 oh but of course it has no cold iron or any special effect

The items on the +2 stage of the game are real shit. It's like the item guys forgot that there is a Cold Iron req. to stay relevant, so pretty much all of the +2 weapons are vendor trash. Sad. And a bit embarassing.

I have noble background and longsword focus. The damn dwarf was supposed to have a cool radiance sword but now he’s gone…

You get an item at the begining of C2 which makes everything Cold Iron.

 

[Sunri]

It's a REALLY fun game but the amount of crashing is unbearable. you need to constantly save otherwise youre scrwed. 10/10, two thumbs up, GOTY.

While I agree that the game needs more than a couple of months of hard work to be considered finished, all this talking about crashing is surprising to me. After a bit more than 20 hours, it crashed only once because I alt-tabbed while skipping a cutscene (and in my book that's a legit situation for a game to crash). Right now, WotR is definitely more stable than Kingmaker at release. But that's not a very high bar to surpass, I guess.

Is it really? Those two are the top negative reviews on Steam right now and they definitely gave me pause, but, otherwise, I really wanna play the game.

This game is so shit in character department that crashing would be actually beneficial. No longer reading fanfic about Transvestite licking female ork, but a crash in most inappropriate moment which would change trannie fanfic into something funny.

Funny how single npc can make so many people upset

 

[Gay-Lussac]

REEEEE

Well I guess that Steam review got one thing right

 

[Raghar]

Also, I heard the game ignores VSYNC and NVidia users should set frame limit in NVidia panel settings. Not sure if that person wasn't mistaken, but a game that tries to put out 500 FPS, is a game that would force crash of badly designed graphic card. Graphic card should survive 3-5 years on full load, and cool itself sufficiently, with fans not producing more than 24 dBA. It should have settings for silent modes for 14 dBA, and 18 dBA operation.

Frankly current graphic cards are overclocked by manufacturer, and it shows.

 

[Shadenuat]

Ley Line Guardian because I like spontaneous casters.

Leyline looks good until you realise that
a) you are using hexes most of the time, not spells
b) when not using hexes, you are supporting party with important spells
c) you are spontaneous, which means you actually have no spells to support party with, unlike normal witch that just takes Mythic Extra Spells, and runs around with ~8 slots every level with all spells availaible to change at all times.

Suffice to say I re-rolled into just normal no-kit witch after tutorial.

 

[Desiderius]

It's a REALLY fun game but the amount of crashing is unbearable. you need to constantly save otherwise youre scrwed. 10/10, two thumbs up, GOTY.

While I agree that the game needs more than a couple of months of hard work to be considered finished, all this talking about crashing is surprising to me. After a bit more than 20 hours, it crashed only once because I alt-tabbed while skipping a cutscene (and in my book that's a legit situation for a game to crash). Right now, WotR is definitely more stable than Kingmaker at release. But that's not a very high bar to surpass, I guess.

Is it really? Those two are the top negative reviews on Steam right now and they definitely gave me pause, but, otherwise, I really wanna play the game.

This game is so shit in character department that crashing would be actually beneficial. No longer reading fanfic about Transvestite licking female ork, but a crash in most inappropriate moment which would change trannie fanfic into something funny.

Funny how single npc can make so many people upset

There are people making billions irreparably fucking up the lives of tens of thousands of kids so yeah anything that tries to make that kind of shit seem anodyne is straight up ebil and not the kind Kotex edgelords try to play around with either.

You can talk about what the best strategy is for dealing with people who are willfully oblivious to all that but most of the butthurt brigade here are just trying to drag people down to their level of suck.

 

[Desiderius]

Ley Line Guardian because I like spontaneous casters.

Leyline looks good until you realise that
a) you are using hexes most of the time, not spells
b) when not using hexes, you are supporting party with important spells
c) you are spontaneous, which means you actually have no spells to support party with, unlike normal witch that just takes Mythic Extra Spells, and runs around with ~8 slots every level with all spells availaible to change at all times.

Suffice to say I re-rolled into just normal no-kit witch after tutorial.

No you use it when you want to spam your Patron spells. Pretty much only class that sets up well for Winter Witch ATM.

Different Witches use different parts of their action economy. And some (like Hag) use different parts at different stages of the game and some like this one and Ember combine them in same fight.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Also, I heard the game ignores VSYNC and NVidia users should set frame limit in NVidia panel settings. Not sure if that person wasn't mistaken, but a game that tries to put out 500 FPS, is a game that would force crash of badly designed graphic card. Graphic card should survive 3-5 years on full load, and cool itself sufficiently, with fans not producing more than 24 dBA. It should have settings for silent modes for 14 dBA, and 18 dBA operation.

Also, just maybe, we Russians still keep playing on computers with at least good aircoolers, while the Westerners are falling over each other with playing on macbooks, thin laptops for "mah mobility", or gaming laptops that cram too powerful hardware into cases with poor cooling. If this trend continues I will gladly support console-only releases. It would mean no "my potato rig crashes in Drezen" cases.

I wonder if people in senior positions at Owlcat Games understand this trend. I surely haven't until recently.

 

[Daidre]

Also, I heard the game ignores VSYNC and NVidia users should set frame limit in NVidia panel settings. Not sure if that person wasn't mistaken, but a game that tries to put out 500 FPS, is a game that would force crash of badly designed graphic card. Graphic card should survive 3-5 years on full load, and cool itself sufficiently, with fans not producing more than 24 dBA. It should have settings for silent modes for 14 dBA, and 18 dBA operation.

Frankly current graphic cards are overclocked by manufacturer, and it shows.

I have encountered horrendous overheat issues with my GTX 1080 right from the character creation screen with vsync on. Took me some time to figure it out but setting Power Limit in MSI Afterburner does wonders for this game

Spoiler

I have set it on 60% roughly and it shaves ~100-200 Mhz from my max boost on core clocks that would probably translate in ~5% performance loss I guess. But now it runs super quiet and since my QHD monitor is 60hz anyway I have super smooth stable 60 fps most of the time.

PS I now I can even play The Dungeon Of Naheulbeuk on max settings without locking it on 30 fps.

 

[Raghar]

It's a REALLY fun game but the amount of crashing is unbearable. you need to constantly save otherwise youre scrwed. 10/10, two thumbs up, GOTY.

While I agree that the game needs more than a couple of months of hard work to be considered finished, all this talking about crashing is surprising to me. After a bit more than 20 hours, it crashed only once because I alt-tabbed while skipping a cutscene (and in my book that's a legit situation for a game to crash). Right now, WotR is definitely more stable than Kingmaker at release. But that's not a very high bar to surpass, I guess.

Is it really? Those two are the top negative reviews on Steam right now and they definitely gave me pause, but, otherwise, I really wanna play the game.

This game is so shit in character department that crashing would be actually beneficial. No longer reading fanfic about Transvestite licking female ork, but a crash in most inappropriate moment which would change trannie fanfic into something funny.

Funny how single npc can make so many people upset

There are people making billions irreparably fucking up the lives of tens of thousands of kids so yeah anything that tries to make that kind of shit seem anodyne is straight up ebil and not the kind Kotex edgelords try to play around with either.

You can talk about what the best strategy is for dealing with people who are willfully oblivious to all that but most of the butthurt brigade here are just trying to drag people down to their level of suck.

Did Owlcat made billions for irreparably fucking up lives of tens of thousand of kids? When did that happen? I didn't know "pathfinder 2 wrath of the... sorcer Victor went for the lich again" was that popular.

I thought this game is PG-16, thus no kids.

 

[ArchAngel]

I found an irritating bug, the archer spider lady apparently has some weapon enchantment that says Hunter and gives +1 but does not turn arrows into magical arrows like it should. I used a Masterwork Bow with her and got +1 to hit from that. Now that I swapped to real +1 Bow it does not stack with this Hunter thing and I got 1 less attack lol. Masterwork and Enchantment are not supposed to stack...

 

[JohnTheRevelator]

Did anyone try swift action potions mythic perk? Does that work with stuff like alchemist fire, acid flasks etc.? I'm thinking about companion builds and I'm considering going 4 level fighter and rest in underground chemist or regular rogue for wenduag or what was her name depending on if i could get extra "free" attack with this.

 

[Desiderius]

Slumber is ok. It lets you atk Reflex with Evo, Fort with Necro, Will with Abj then supplement with Slumber. The upgrade leaves target Confused even after waking up so pretty solid.

Really need to target weak willed tho since hard to boost DC.

 

[Shadenuat]

No you use it when you want to spam your Patron spells. Pretty much only class that sets up well for Winter Witch ATM.

You're sacrificing ability to do anything for an extra average of 1 (or 2, after basically 2 chapters of the game) spell power. It's simply a bad trade.

 

[Desiderius]

I found an irritating bug, the archer spider lady apparently has some weapon enchantment that says Hunter and gives +1 but does not turn arrows into magical arrows like it should. I used a Masterwork Bow with her and got +1 to hit from that. Now that I swapped to real +1 Bow it does not stack with this Hunter thing and I got 1 less attack lol. Masterwork and Enchantment are not supposed to stack...

It’s from her background. Martial backgrounds come with that to help people suck less early.

 

[The_Mask]

Should not the first composite artefact from Storyteller fix this problem?

I've yet to find him, so there's that bubble where you're like... "how am I supposed to fight demons like this?"

I mean, I'm going with LN, and I have Seelah/Paladin and Lann/Judge, and myself/Monk, and I can still hit things, but I can imagine other alignments are having issues. But then again, you're right. Maybe it's a temporary issue, and maybe I haven't played the game CE yet, so... who knows?

 

[Raghar]

Also, I heard the game ignores VSYNC and NVidia users should set frame limit in NVidia panel settings. Not sure if that person wasn't mistaken, but a game that tries to put out 500 FPS, is a game that would force crash of badly designed graphic card. Graphic card should survive 3-5 years on full load, and cool itself sufficiently, with fans not producing more than 24 dBA. It should have settings for silent modes for 14 dBA, and 18 dBA operation.

Frankly current graphic cards are overclocked by manufacturer, and it shows.

I have encountered horrendous overheat issues with my GTX 1080 right from the character creation screen with vsync on. Took me some time to figure it out but setting Power Limit in MSI Afterburner does wonders for this game

Spoiler

I have set it on 60% roughly and it shaves ~100-200 Mhz from my max boost on core clocks that would probably translate in ~5% performance loss I guess. But now it runs super quiet and since my QHD monitor is 60hz anyway I have super smooth stable 60 fps most of the time.

PS I now I can even play The Dungeon Of Naheulbeuk on max settings without locking it on 30 fps.

I actually did the same for Warhammer 2. I reduced max speed, and lowered power to 70 percent, and I can play it without hearing fans from PC. When graphic cards started to use turbo, they increased average power consumption by 20 percent for 5 FPS more. And modern NVidia cards don't even allow disabling turbo, everything is locked from user. I managed to run GTX 660 on nearly full speed with 40 watts less consumption, and basically zero noise. I just locked card to P2 mode, and set voltage and speed manually. NVidia became smart, and started to limit max voltage and speed in P2 mode.

 

[Desiderius]

No you use it when you want to spam your Patron spells. Pretty much only class that sets up well for Winter Witch ATM.

You're sacrificing ability to do anything for an extra average of 1 (or 2, after basically 2 chapters of the game) spell power. It's simply a bad trade.

It’s roughly equivalent to Spell Spell Specialization Feat, and better (expected value of 2.5) after level eight. It’s good and you don’t need infinite Hexes if you’re casting (you are). Caster level not easy to boost for non-mergers and when matters it matters a lot.

Pick up Destructive Dispel and go off.

 

[The_Mask]

I had not tested it yet, so it could be bugged.

Also... in terms of bugs, this game is that hot girl in highschool that was totally hot, but, for some reason, went goth and you had a strong suspicion she did drugs in the weekends. You know... HER?

Like... chapter 3 onwards it's a different, beatiful game, where all the degeneracy sees its comeuppance, but the experience is marred by bugs. There are quests that don't progress. Mechanics that don't work as intended. I dread to think how it looks like Chapter 5.

 

[Desiderius]

Should not the first composite artefact from Storyteller fix this problem?

I've yet to find him, so there's that bubble where you're like... "how am I supposed to fight demons like this?"

I mean, I'm going with LN, and I have Seelah/Paladin and Lann/Judge, and myself/Monk, and I can still hit things, but I can imagine other alignments are having issues. But then again, you're right. Maybe it's a temporary issue, and maybe I haven't played the game CE yet, so... who knows?

Then find him.

Magic Weapon, Greater stacks.

 

[Shadenuat]

It’s roughly equivalent to Spell Spell Specialization Feat

yeah, not worth to go spontaneous for a feat.

then again, for me nothing is.

Pretty much only class that sets up well for Winter Witch ATM

what about le shaman, nothing there?

also wake me up when they fix Hag witch unless they already did.

Like... chapter 3 onwards it's a different, beatiful game.

well thats about how far ran the beta. around 3.5 chapters.

 

[The_Mask]

You get an item at the begining of C2 which makes everything Cold Iron.

Okay. I've explored everything pretty much autistically, and I've not come up with any such items. Please reply to this with spoiler tags: when and where can you find this item you speak of.