Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Reinhardt]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

No they REALLY can and she proves it. If you stripped that goofy class they gave her and made her a straight up vanilla cleric, perhaps. But they went with one of these 'exotic' specialty kits that they slapped on many of the NPCs turning her into a shit-tier hybrid where she excels at nothing. She is a B-grade shaman with a limited spell set, a ghetto fighter w/ weak sauce skill, and she can disarm some traps but gets none of the benefits of sneak attack. So a garbage healer, an also ran fighter, and a partially disabled rogue.

sHe iS sO gReAt.

I am helpful, am i not?

 

[Werdnicus]

Damn, never knew Minagho spoke Latin.

PS.: CamCam is great! She is my wife and we love each other very much.

 

[Delterius]

If you were to do a meme run with mercs were all characters (including MC) are of the same class but different archetypes, what classes might work the best?

Witches!
Pratchett Wyrd Sisters. (and 1 Death.)

i love you

 

[Reinhardt]

Cam-Cam has good AC, decent magic which can be expanded by grabbing second spirit , has hexes, gets weapon spec from a hex specific to her starting spirit, can get fencing grace and improved crit for rapier, can enhance her weapon, so I don't really see how she is weak?

She's jack of all trades but master of none. I have better fighters, better clerics, better skill monkeys. Camellia is too mediocre in everyting she does. Used her while my party was small but the moment roster starts growing she has no place in it.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Cam's pretty powerful, really. Useful back up healer, tank, buffer, hex caster, who can also deal with traps and locks.

After she gets dex to damage she's also a competent enough fighter, and if you give her a +4 WIS headband she has a pretty wide range of spells.

Gave her the nature second spirit to get her a pet to fit into the menagerie and whenever she got into my party she was worth her spot.

Her personality is disgusting though, and I don't include her as much as she deserves mechanically because of that.

 

[Matalarata]

sHe iS sO gReAt.

Bro. She's one of the best frontliner in the game. Have her reach level 5 for Dex on damage and rack some Crit extension. Once she unlocks Enemies' Bane, prepare yourself for hundreds of damages in chapter one.


Edit: Go Loremaster for Improved Improved Critical with no need for prereq. that's important!


Small spoiler for the Trickster path. Dis gonna be gud:

Spoiler

 

[cw8]

Trickster theme is great, but the Aeon's one is also amazing.

You're right, sounds amazingly fun. Makes me feel like playing Trickster next.. And summon all the glorious Wild Hunt bastards.

 

[Robber Baron]

fuck
i watched youtube videos, respected MC and Nenio and breezed through Wintersun
but it just feels so wrong I can't do it, it's cheating and it's breaking the characters I was building for 110 hours
I decided to clear some other locations first since I almost have 11 and will try to unfuck my situation instead
I'll better fucking abandon the playthrough altogether but I just can't respec
it's wrong

 

[smaug]

fuck
i watched youtube videos, respected MC and Nenio and breezed through Wintersun
but it just feels so wrong I can't do it, it's cheating and it's breaking the characters I was building for 110 hours
I decided to clear some other locations first since I almost have 11 and will try to unfuck my situation instead
I'll better fucking abandon the playthrough altogether but I just can't respec
it's wrong

Just respec, game is overturned so if you build wrong you’re fucked. Just respec

 

[Matalarata]

it's wrong

What are you playing as and what you respecced into? Mebbe we can help you respec into something more akin to what your main is now and you could RP Nenio as having one of her mindperiods...

 

[Erebus]

Though most of the companions are meh, I have to admit that I rather like Regill and Ember. Regill is a pragmatic and resolute guy with zero patience for the feelings of others, which is rather refreshing. And Ember is kind yet not weak, and is really good at unintentionally (?) roasting others.

I'm still on the fence as far as Daeran is concerned. All the other companions I've met are boring me.

I haven't met Arushe... Aruasha... the succubus girl yet. And though I've met Greybor (he seems okay), I haven't been able to recruit him yet.

 

[The_Mask]

The more I read Ember's lines, the more I want her to be able to sit in front of the Solaire guy in the cave where you pick up Regill.

Solaire sitting in front of Ember(s).

Probably won't happen. That would require imagination, and stuff. But hey... I'm allowed to imagine it in my head, if it doesn't happen.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Greybor is that typical guy who loves to roleplay as the party's badass despise sucking hard compared to pretty much everyone else.

 

[smaug]

Greybor is that typical guy who loves to roleplay as the party's badass despise sucking hard compared to pretty much everyone else.

BRUH LMAO, he runs into a fucking dragon like “Yea I got this” and dies in 2 hits, if that’s supposed to be a joke it’s pretty funny

 

[Dishonoredbr]

''I got this!'' *rolls 2 critical miss and the dragon gets two 20s*

 

[Matalarata]

'K

In case the rate spamming and the post from some of you are more than memes and there's some true convinction that Cam is somehow lacking. Here's the deal:

Pardon, but I had to reload an earlier save, can't be arsed to engineer a perfect condition, just bear with me if interested. Otherwise carry on with your half assed builds. This is Level 10, AC is not fully buffed, iirc she could still use a magical vestment (Shield).
Before the build is complete, I'll probably lower the crit range 1-2 more and definitely take crit focus. If you don't consider this a top notch frontliner, 'gratz you cannot into math.

 

[DrLocrian]

Since the new patch I always crash to Desktop while loading the game. Anyone else?

 

[AwesomeButton]

Each new day it's harder and harder to launch game. Chapter 3 was a slog, chapter 4 i don't enjoy much either - not interested in all that demon shit because i usually play as a good character and city itself is a cancer. I liked more focused approach of first two chapters.

It's possible the game is taking longer to read all your savegames' metadata at launch. This used to happen in PKM too.

 

[Robber Baron]

Just curious, is that salvageable?

Spoiler

 

[Darkwind]

'K

In case the rate spamming and the post from some of you are more than memes and there's some true convinction that Cam is somehow lacking. Here's the deal:

Pardon, but I had to reload an earlier save, can't be arsed to engineer a perfect condition, just bear with me if interested. Otherwise carry on with your half assed builds. This is Level 10, AC is not fully buffed, iirc she could still use a magical vestment (Shield).
Before the build is complete, I'll probably lower the crit range 1-2 more and definitely take crit focus. If you don't consider this a top notch frontliner, 'gratz you cannot into math.

Ok that is pretty impressive I can't lie. I'm guessing that 1 level dip in Loremaster is something I should look into as well. Maybe I will respec her if I can get stats like this out of her then I will quit whining. :D 39 AC tho... how'd you manage that w/o buffs?

 

[cw8]

My 2nd major bug. I already gave up Woljif's sidequest because of a major bug and he disappered for good. The stupid 21 daggers quest is bugged after this latest update. Ugh. I'm not missing out on 20k XP and the other rewards. Gonna stop the Mythic Quest and do other stuff till they fix it.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/5086242673962514425/

 

[Reinhardt]

Each new day it's harder and harder to launch game. Chapter 3 was a slog, chapter 4 i don't enjoy much either - not interested in all that demon shit because i usually play as a good character and city itself is a cancer. I liked more focused approach of first two chapters.

It's possible the game is taking longer to read all your savegames' metadata at launch. This used to happen in PKM too.

I'm talking about my will to launch it.

 

[Matalarata]

That's WITH buffs, mind you. But fug bro, buffs are part of her frickin class, use them!


edit: I said she's not FULLY buffed


edit 2: there's really no point in going shaman 19, I'd say go Loremaster 3 for a second secret, much better

 

[smaug]

Cameilla is trash, I just got an animal companion for tanking+another party member who has better utility, who needs her lol ? Didn’t use her for Drezen nor any time afterwards.

 

[NJClaw]

Matalarata what Secret did you pick with that Loremaster level?

Anyway, on the subject of Camellia: I don't really like using her as a "tank", mainly because I vastly prefer having a Cleric in my group and her list overlaps with it too much (she brings Barkskin, but I rarely adventure without an Alchemist or a Druid, so that's not a problem). So far, my best "tanks" have been my MC's horse (which indirectly also protects another character while mounted), an Alchemist Woljif, and a Bard Seelah. Camellia seems to me like a bit of a waste: her curses are useful, but I already have Ember and I'd prefer having Sosiel with Nobility and Community as Impossible Domains; her crits are good, but otherwise her damage isn't impressive and everyone's crits can be good in this game; her spells list is full of good stuff, but so is Sosiel's. She just doesn't bring anything unique enough to the table to justify her presence in a party of 6 characters.