Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[NJClaw]

How do you do a 5ft step in TB? It won’t let me click on it, I remember in the kingmaker mod you could do it to avoid an AOO, but I can’t seem to do it here.

You need to hold either CTRL or SHIFT, can't remember right now (I think SHIFT, but my muscle memory sucks). You'll see which one is the right key because it will only show a very small green path.

 

[Reinhardt]

Each new day it's harder and harder to launch game. Chapter 3 was a slog, chapter 4 i don't enjoy much either - not interested in all that demon shit because i usually play as a good character and city itself is a cancer. I liked more focused approach of first two chapters.

 

[The_Mask]

How do you do a 5ft step in TB? It won’t let me click on it, I remember in the kingmaker mod you could do it to avoid an AOO, but I can’t seem to do it here.

Right-click selects between 5ft step, max ms and full turn ms.

Just be sure not to get impatient and switch too fast. I have a strong suspicion it bugs movement if you flip the switch too fast. ROFL

 

[Haplo]

If your first frontliner doesn't have AT LEAST 40+ you're going to have a bad time

>pally is 35 with all the buffs

I'll just fucking respec I guess

Yeah, something went wrong. Camellia can get higher than that at Level 5.
Math below

Spoiler

10 base
6 dex bonus
2 Iceplant Hex
2 Iceplant Ring
2 Barkskin
6 Lady Callandra's Chainshirt (Armor)
2 Buckler + 1
1 Magic Vestment (Armor)
1 Magic Vestment (Shield)
1 Dodge
1 Shield Focus
3 Defensive Fighting
2 Deflection
1 Haste


40 AC

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

 

[Haplo]

How do you do a 5ft step in TB? It won’t let me click on it, I remember in the kingmaker mod you could do it to avoid an AOO, but I can’t seem to do it here.

Right click on empty ground.

 

[Trash Player]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

Spamming Hex?

 

[ArchAngel]

More bugs of course. Lich spell Repurpose of course does nothing. I cast it on enemy and then killed him and I didn't get any undead for it...

 

[ArchAngel]

How do you do a 5ft step in TB? It won’t let me click on it, I remember in the kingmaker mod you could do it to avoid an AOO, but I can’t seem to do it here.

Right click on empty ground.

Or hold Shift+left click

 

[Salvo]

If your first frontliner doesn't have AT LEAST 40+ you're going to have a bad time

>pally is 35 with all the buffs

I'll just fucking respec I guess

Yeah, something went wrong. Camellia can get higher than that at Level 5.
Math below

Spoiler

10 base
6 dex bonus
2 Iceplant Hex
2 Iceplant Ring
2 Barkskin
6 Lady Callandra's Chainshirt (Armor)
2 Buckler + 1
1 Magic Vestment (Armor)
1 Magic Vestment (Shield)
1 Dodge
1 Shield Focus
3 Defensive Fighting
2 Deflection
1 Haste


40 AC

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

Not really since I won't use her past act 2, just need a way to rack up AC quickly
After Drezen Woljif takes over

 

[Reinhardt]

Camelia

productive

 

[Darkwind]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

 

[Salvo]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

 

[PrK]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Camelia is great, she tanks, she buffs, and since I have given Seize the Moment to most of my team when she crits with that 15-20 range everything explodes.

 

[Reinhardt]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

Can, if you kill them.

 

[Jackpot]

I'm doing Chapter 4 and got to a quest where you're asking beggars for information.
But that made me think, how the fuck does begging in the Abyss work anyway?
Who is helping these people out of the kindness of their heart? And if they weren't depending on kindness they wouldn't be beggers, they'd be thieves or muggers.

 

[Salvo]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

Can, if you kill them.

They wouldn't be weak, they would be dead

Ooga booga

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

I didn't really like Cammelia as a character, but gameplay wise I have hardly any complaint about her. Once you get her fencing grace she's a tanky, surprisingly competent melee with a large selection of useful spells and buffs.

 

[Reinhardt]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

Can, if you kill them.

They wouldn't be weak, they would be dead

Yes, pathetic.

 

[Darkwind]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

No they REALLY can and she proves it. If you stripped that goofy class they gave her and made her a straight up vanilla cleric, perhaps. But they went with one of these 'exotic' specialty kits that they slapped on many of the NPCs turning her into a shit-tier hybrid where she excels at nothing. She is a B-grade shaman with a limited spell set, a ghetto fighter w/ weak sauce skill, and she can disarm some traps but gets none of the benefits of sneak attack. So a garbage healer, an also ran fighter, and a partially disabled rogue.

sHe iS sO gReAt.

 

[gurugeorge]

I didn't really like Cammelia as a character, but gameplay wise I have hardly any complaint about her. Once you get her fencing grace she's a tanky, surprisingly competent melee with a large selection of useful spells and buffs.

I agree, she's actually alright, and she's quite good at being a moderately tanky distraction on one mob while the main group fights another. But I think the problem (from the complainers' points of view) is that while she isn't positively bad in absolute terms, one usually finds other characters to be more useful than her to incorporate into the group.

 

[Reinhardt]

Why the fuck would your level 5 Camelia have Dodge and Shield focus? Don't you want her to do anything productive?

It is impossible for Camelia to do anything productive because she utterly licks balls no matter what you spec her as in her default class. She IS the weakest link in my group by a large margin and I can't wait to throw her rich pampered ass to the curb for someone else. Perhaps if you did a full respec and turned her into something else she could be decent but Ember who sucked early on is a MurderMachine™ by comparison on top of being a competent healer and good CC. What does Camelia actually do? She isn't a ranged character, she sucks at melee, she can't backstab, she is a glorified trapbot basically.

Full progression divine casters can't be weak

No they REALLY can and she proves it. If you stripped that goofy class they gave her and made her a straight up vanilla cleric, perhaps. But they went with one of these 'exotic' specialty kits that they slapped on many of the NPCs turning her into a shit-tier hybrid where she excels at nothing. She is a B-grade shaman with a limited spell set, a ghetto fighter w/ weak sauce skill, and she can disarm some traps but gets none of the benefits of sneak attack. So a garbage healer, an also ran fighter, and a partially disabled rogue.

sHe iS sO gReAt.

I am helpful, am i not?

 

[Werdnicus]

Damn, never knew Minagho spoke Latin.

PS.: CamCam is great! She is my wife and we love each other very much.

 

[Delterius]

If you were to do a meme run with mercs were all characters (including MC) are of the same class but different archetypes, what classes might work the best?

Witches!
Pratchett Wyrd Sisters. (and 1 Death.)

i love you

 

[Reinhardt]

Cam-Cam has good AC, decent magic which can be expanded by grabbing second spirit , has hexes, gets weapon spec from a hex specific to her starting spirit, can get fencing grace and improved crit for rapier, can enhance her weapon, so I don't really see how she is weak?

She's jack of all trades but master of none. I have better fighters, better clerics, better skill monkeys. Camellia is too mediocre in everyting she does. Used her while my party was small but the moment roster starts growing she has no place in it.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Cam's pretty powerful, really. Useful back up healer, tank, buffer, hex caster, who can also deal with traps and locks.

After she gets dex to damage she's also a competent enough fighter, and if you give her a +4 WIS headband she has a pretty wide range of spells.

Gave her the nature second spirit to get her a pet to fit into the menagerie and whenever she got into my party she was worth her spot.

Her personality is disgusting though, and I don't include her as much as she deserves mechanically because of that.