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[rusty_shackleford]

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

 

[The_Mask]

Imagine defending D:OS 2 as anything interesting, when there has been clear evidence that playing as a spellcaster is clearly the worst thing you can in any RPG. Possibly ever.

 

[Cryomancer]

never actually played DOS2

And how it is a bad thing? I have over 800 hours on kingmaker but could't get into DOS2. The game mechanics makes zero sense. Larianshill which is the greatest Larian Cultist, loves DOS2 and D&D 4E.

Is there a benefit to using swarm pheromones during Drezen siege? Other than unlocking swarm path later.

I believe that applies a minor debuff in demons(not sure); The Swarm mythic path is a mythic path for murderhobos. Azata for Ancaps. Lich for edgelords. Angels for religious fanatics, aeon for rule lawyers and so on.

game-journo mode

Even if he played on story mode. He is 100% right when he says that everything that Larian cultists criticize in other CRPG's are way worse in Larian games.

 

[AwesomeButton]

aww, is the baby upset that he got called out?

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

 

[dacencora]

Apologists of Divinity Original Sin 2 shouldn't criticize games about AI,

how I can tell you've never actually played DOS2 on a non-game journo mode

I don’t care so much about the digital dick measuring, but do the higher difficulties of DOS2 introduce more brutal tactics from the AI, a la KOTC2? Or is it WOTR style where instead of one strong enemy, there’s 2?

 

[Parabalus]

Is there a benefit to using swarm pheromones during Drezen siege? Other than unlocking swarm path later.

Pretty sure it removes a few battles, one of them with several enemies teleporting in.

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

How are you supposed to play it?

You seem to be one of the few people who praise D:OS2.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Apologists of Divinity Original Sin 2 shouldn't criticize games about AI,

how I can tell you've never actually played DOS2 on a non-game journo mode

I don’t care so much about the digital dick measuring, but do the higher difficulties of DOS2 introduce more brutal tactics from the AI, a la KOTC2? Or is it WOTR style where instead of one strong enemy, there’s 2?

Yes, the AI on tactician is completely different from the game-journo mode.
Not surprised to learn that most DOS2 haters love playing games on easy mode tbh.

 

[Cyberarmy]

EXACTLY LIKE KINGMAKER

Kingmaker on steroids. Anything it did good before is better now, anything it did bad is worse.

My main gripe is crusade mode, it does nothing but slow the game down. At least with Kingdom management (which I hate) we got some uber rewards. Crusades give some strange relics and XP (lol)

 

[AwesomeButton]

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

Mr. Investigator, put your powers into counting how many times I've said that that the whole game is Fort Joy, and after it everything falls apart. Because I've said it many times :D

 

[dacencora]

Apologists of Divinity Original Sin 2 shouldn't criticize games about AI,

how I can tell you've never actually played DOS2 on a non-game journo mode

I don’t care so much about the digital dick measuring, but do the higher difficulties of DOS2 introduce more brutal tactics from the AI, a la KOTC2? Or is it WOTR style where instead of one strong enemy, there’s 2?

Yes, the AI on tactician is completely different from the game-journo mode.
Not surprised to learn that most DOS2 haters love playing games on easy mode tbh.

Huh. I’ve been thinking about replaying DOS2. If the AI on Tactician is gud, that’s what I’ll do for that playthrough.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Is there a benefit to using swarm pheromones during Drezen siege? Other than unlocking swarm path later.

Pretty sure it removes a few battles, one of them with several enemies teleporting in.

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

How are you supposed to play it?

You seem to be one of the few people who praise D:OS2.

Notice how this conversation took a turn:
There is still a spark of sanity there. At least he is only arguing the game has stellar AI on Tactician. At least he is not arguing the stat bloat isn't there, and that developers didn't adapt the ruleset to fit their scripting needs to make their lives easier at the expense of the players. Two things for which he seems to criticize WotR.

 

[Cryomancer]

Wait, DOS2 is worse after fort joy?

Both Kingmaker and WoTR has a high decline in game quality at late stages. Is teh quality decline worse in DOS2?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Is there a benefit to using swarm pheromones during Drezen siege? Other than unlocking swarm path later.

Pretty sure it removes a few battles, one of them with several enemies teleporting in.

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

How are you supposed to play it?

You seem to be one of the few people who praise D:OS2.

Notice how this conversation took a turn:
There is still a spark of sanity there. At least he is only arguing the game has stellar AI on Tactician. At least he is not arguing the stat bloat isn't there, and that developers didn't adapt the ruleset to fit their scripting needs to make their lives easier at the expense of the players. Twi things for which he seems to criticize WotR,

yes, I'm aware the game has stat bloat, but it's an innate part of the ruleset.
wotr has stat bloat that is not present whatsoever in the original game and exists purely to challenge the player because they can't be bothered implementing an AI that does more than attack the thing closest to it

these are two completely separate issues, I hope that clears things up champ

 

[Cyberarmy]

Wait, DOS2 is worse after fort joy?

Second act has some good stuff but first is better , yeah.

That decline in later stages is a common problem in most RPGs sadly.

 

[Parabalus]

Is there a benefit to using swarm pheromones during Drezen siege? Other than unlocking swarm path later.

Pretty sure it removes a few battles, one of them with several enemies teleporting in.

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

How are you supposed to play it?

You seem to be one of the few people who praise D:OS2.

Notice how this conversation took a turn:
There is still a spark of sanity there. At least he is only arguing the game has stellar AI on Tactician. At least he is not arguing the stat bloat isn't there, and that developers didn't adapt the ruleset to fit their scripting needs to make their lives easier at the expense of the players. Twi things for which he seems to criticize WotR,

yes, I'm aware the game has stat bloat, but it's an innate part of the ruleset.
wotr has stat bloat that is not present whatsoever in the original game and exists purely to challenge the player because they can't be bothered implementing an AI that does more than attack the thing closest to it

these are two completely separate issues, I hope that clears things up champ

WoTR will def often ignore your frontline and go for backline, it happens.

What AI does D:OS2 have, apart from some terrain use?

 

[AwesomeButton]

- Full VO
- Dumbed down ruleset
- Stat bloat
- Writing and story adapted for the 10 year-old audience.

"Hey let's play this on Tactictan mode, it will be a real proving ground for my abilities as an RPG player!" - don't blame me for this never crossing my mind. :D

 

[Nerevar]

Is there any reason to pick normal sorc over cross blooded sorc? What is the downside?

 

[AwesomeButton]

yes, I'm aware the game has stat bloat, but it's an innate part of the ruleset.
wotr has stat bloat that is not present whatsoever in the original game and exists purely to challenge the player because they can't be bothered implementing an AI that does more than attack the thing closest to it

these are two completely separate issues, I hope that clears things up champ

"My pet game can have stat bloat, yours cannot, because it's a different situation there." Ok rusty. I don't really care ether way, seriously. Just wanted to make fun of the double standard. Just play and enjoy whatever you feel like enjoying.

 

[Reinhardt]

- Full VO
- Dumbed down ruleset
- Stat bloat
- Writing and story adapted for the 10 year-old audience.

"Hey let's play this on Tactictan mode, it will be a real proving ground for my abilities as an RPG player!" - don't blame me for this never crossing my mind. :D

Yeah, wotr really declined quick...

 

[dacencora]

Is there a benefit to using swarm pheromones during Drezen siege? Other than unlocking swarm path later.

Pretty sure it removes a few battles, one of them with several enemies teleporting in.

oh, and before you try to lie and claim you didn't play the game on game-journo mode

On Classic difficulty, totally playable and enjoyable. Lohse is found near the shrine of Lucian when you enter then fort area.

How are you supposed to play it?

You seem to be one of the few people who praise D:OS2.

Notice how this conversation took a turn:
There is still a spark of sanity there. At least he is only arguing the game has stellar AI on Tactician. At least he is not arguing the stat bloat isn't there, and that developers didn't adapt the ruleset to fit their scripting needs to make their lives easier at the expense of the players. Twi things for which he seems to criticize WotR,

yes, I'm aware the game has stat bloat, but it's an innate part of the ruleset.
wotr has stat bloat that is not present whatsoever in the original game and exists purely to challenge the player because they can't be bothered implementing an AI that does more than attack the thing closest to it

these are two completely separate issues, I hope that clears things up champ

WoTR will def often ignore your frontline and go for backline, it happens.

What AI does D:OS2 have, apart from some terrain use?

Not saying that DOS2 has this, because I’ve never played on Tactician, but isn’t “storming the squishies” the bare minimum? Where are the games with AI like KOTC, where they Bull Rush you into a fire pit?

You know how a good strategy in WOTR is to knock an enemy prone and then surround it with martials? Why doesn’t the enemy AI use a trick like that?

 

[Parabalus]

- Full VO
- Dumbed down ruleset
- Stat bloat
- Writing and story adapted for the 10 year-old audience.

"Hey let's play this on Tactictan mode, it will be a real proving ground for my abilities as an RPG player!" - don't blame me for this never crossing my mind. :D

Yeah, wotr really declined quick...

None of those 4 fit WotR though.

 

[AwesomeButton]

WoTR will def often ignore your frontline and go for backline, it happens.

What AI does D:OS2 have, apart from some terrain use?

TBH I was wondering the same, but I don't care enough to ask.

And a final thing on difficulty - I doubt I'll ever play WotR on anything above Core either. I just don't see a point. I won't enjoy minmaxing to the point of making Hard trivial to play, any more than I have already enjoyed minmaxing to make Core trivial to play. It's just numbers inflation for me. The feeling of being able to overwhelm most encounters is for me the same feeling, on Core and on Hard.

 

[Cryomancer]

wotr has stat bloat that is not present whatsoever in the original game and exists purely to challenge the player because they can't be bothered implementing an AI that does more than attack the thing closest to it

I agree. In chapter 1, you see conjurers using invisibility and spamming summon monster, but in late game, you don't see the mobs doing interesting things. And the numbers are too bloated. The difficulty fells completely artificial and out of place.

But guess what. Even with the poor writing, AI problems and number bloat, this game is better than any gear farming cooldown managing game.

That decline in later stages is a common problem in most RPGs sadly.

NWN 1/2 - Hordes of The Underdark and Mask of The Betrayer late game is great. Baldur's Gate 2 chapter 5 is amazing. But this is probably the exception, not the rule.

None of those 4 fit WotR though.

Writing and stat bloat fits. But DOS2 is arguably worse in this two aspects.

 

[Reinhardt]

- Full VO
- Dumbed down ruleset
- Stat bloat
- Writing and story adapted for the 10 year-old audience.

"Hey let's play this on Tactictan mode, it will be a real proving ground for my abilities as an RPG player!" - don't blame me for this never crossing my mind. :D

Yeah, wotr really declined quick...

None of those 4 fit WotR though.

Ask Victor about dragons and ac.

 

[Reinhardt]

But DOS2 is arguably worse in this two aspects.

How can you know if you didn't even played it past fort? I mean shitting on games is an ancient codex tradition but shitting on numbers when you never seen those numbers is haram.