Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sunri]

Nienio > Ember

 

[smaug]

Spent an hour trying to figure out how to beat an encounter, and I get jack shit for loot


I find better loot sitting around in fucking barrels, itemization is garbage

 

[ga♥]

Nienio > Ember

 

[Sunri]

Nienio > Ember

At least she is funny Ember is cringeworthy

 

[LannTheStupid]

It seems to me Ember is written for the same Western ... people ... who think Camellia can be turned into a nice housewife by the power of true love.

 

[smaug]

Does witch hexes DC’s increase with level?

10+1/2 level+int or cha. just like most class abilities.

I got the upgraded version of sleep hex and stuff and save is now 22DC, enemies all have over 18 will, hexes still are useless, am I missing something?

 

[smaug]

Ember sucks, she is a hippie preaching faggot. I will execute her once she outlives her usefulness.

 

[Gradenmayer]

Nienio > Ember

At least she is funny Ember is cringeworthy

Both are trash. Unironically worse companions than fucking Seelah in terms of writing and that's a huge achievement.
How can people like these characters, that are way too retarded to even be considered believable, is beyond me. Maybe they find their mental condition relatable?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

To be fair, both characters have some important entities behind them that shaped the way they are. So I'd say that they are believable in lore, but not particularly enjoyable as companion characters.

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I also think that Ember is a bit of a Mary Sue. Convincing Nocticula to become a 'Redeemer Queen' with her Greta tier talks? Lolno.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Nienio > Ember

At least she is funny Ember is cringeworthy

Both are trash. Unironically worse companions than fucking Seelah in terms of writing and that's a huge achievement.
How can people like these characters, that are way too retarded to even be considered believable, is beyond me. Maybe they find their condition relatable?

o no i can't suspend my disbelief about the personalities of characters in my fantasy kaiju battle simulator
how will i pretend they are my friends?

 

[purupuru]

I can never shake off the feeling that Ember is actually fucked-up deep inside, no one in her place should be that "positive." She's also an atheist with cult leader charisma, very dangerous.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

She's also an atheist with cult leader charisma, very dangerous.

Well, technically she's neither an atheist nor does she have high charisma by herself.

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She's basically a follower of Andoletta and the latter interacts with Ember directly through that crow that's following her around. So in a way, you can think of Ember as a sort of cleric of Andoletta lorewise. That's also why she has such a gift of persuasion. Not because she herself is charismatic (her interactions with the Commander's companions showcase that), but because of divine favor. It's not Ember herself shaping her followers through her gift of persuasion, but rather Andoletta fucking up with the minds of those that she has an interest in as for Ember to be able to convert them as it were (de facto, if not de jure, since conversion doesn't require a conscious faith in Andoletta).

 

[LannTheStupid]

She's also an atheist with cult leader charisma, very dangerous.

Why did you have to sell me Ember?! I always wanted to play with small Lenin in my (Bolshevik) party!

 

[Heroic Liberator]

She's also an atheist with cult leader charisma, very dangerous.

Why did you have to sell me Ember?! I always wanted to play with small Lenin in my (Bolshevik) party!

 

[Cryomancer]

who think Camellia can be turned into a nice housewife by the power of true love.

Or Arueshalae, she will never forget everything who got inside her...

Only powerful enchantment magic should be able to turn then into housewives. h3uhu3h3u just kidding.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Hóngwèibīng "Ленин и сейчас жалеет всех живых".

 

[Thac0]

Ember is good not because her dialogue is good, she is good because the other companions have a lot of unique responses to her mildly retarded lectures which can be of really high quality.

 

[Sunri]

Nienio > Ember

At least she is funny Ember is cringeworthy

Both are trash. Unironically worse companions than fucking Seelah in terms of writing and that's a huge achievement.
How can people like these characters, that are way too retarded to even be considered believable, is beyond me. Maybe they find their mental condition relatable?

True i have no idea why Ember have so many fanboys both here and on reddit but i can see now why codex implemented rule against cp

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Ember is good not because her dialogue is good, she is good because the other companions have a lot of unique responses to her mildly retarded lectures which can be of really high quality.

Agreed. That said, it's hard to justify why your PC would keep her around unless he subscribes to her nonsense.

I mean, you can say that it's just because she's useful (something which you are allowed to explicitly acknowledge in dialogue), but that's far from a satisfying reason.

 

[PrK]

Another easily exploitable bug, do they even test this shit?

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[LannTheStupid]

Nenio's question is pretty valid, by the way. She does not know all ins and outs of how Golarion works; she does not know why demons created in this particular way; so she observes, makes connections, and asks questions.

That's how human breeders were working for 5,000-10,000 years before the invention of GMO.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Nenio's question is pretty valid, by the way. She does not know all ins and outs of how Golarion works; she does not know why demons created in this particular way; so she observes, makes connections, and asks questions.

And her habit of persistent questioning is perfectly explained in character if you do her companion quest.

 

[Thac0]

Ember is good not because her dialogue is good, she is good because the other companions have a lot of unique responses to her mildly retarded lectures which can be of really high quality.

Agreed. That said, it's hard to justify why your PC would keep her around unless he subscribes to her nonsense.

I mean, you can say that it's just because she's useful (something which you are allowed to explicitly acknowledge in dialogue), but that's far from a satisfying reason.

I don't immerse that much, my party is an alignment clusterfuck as I only choose by gameplay and writing quality.
There is something quite interesting however if you want a roleplay reason to keep her around, Wenduag is scared shitless of her because she senses something is off. You could keep her around as any lawfull character in a "I want your Jesus shenanigans where I can see and control them, and not have a second crusade start in my back" fashion.

Also another thing on why her writing is good, her character lets the other ones talk about stuff that is not exactly their gimmick. Nenio is so shit because she always keeps her SCIENCE! gimmick up. It makes her onedimensional. If the other characters are talking about something not directly readable from the first paragraph of their backstory it is probably because Ember said something stupid.

It is like how in real Pen&Paper the best roleplayers are the ones who stop the party from just being a bunch of charades following a simple script to acting like they are a real group.

 

[LannTheStupid]

And her habit of persistent questioning is perfectly explained in character if you do her companion quest.

This is even better; but personally, I would expect the same curiosity from any person with INT 18 (which in Gygax times meant IQ 180).

 

[Rafidur]

lich... you are really a glass canon

Post ritual, and with the artifact cloak, a charisma based lich is fucking stacked: 500ish natural hp. 70ish temporary hp (both easily replenishable through negative burst), a bunch of defenses from the unique spells (AC, saves, DR, etc), undead immunities (when they work), an optional 10 dr from the strong bones or whatever it's called lich power, a bunch of free dex...

Pre-ritual, however, you're going to have garbage hp and most of these defenses are less relevant if you die to a babau rolling initiative then sneak farting in your general direction. Undead immunities also cost you a level 7 spell slot before you become one for good.