Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[LannTheStupid]

This is too complicated for a village girl - and for me, for that matter. Stage one - you order people around killing everyone who do not comply; stage two - you are ordered what to do and cannot kill those who order you. The rest is history.

 

[volklore]

Is it me or Early Sunset, the Azata advisor isn't very azata-y ? Like everything he advises me to do sounds more like what an azata hellknight hybrid would say. Like threaten treants to burn them to the ground if they misbehave, or being highly respectfull of crusader law. I would acutally love to roleplay an azata with a bit more nuanced view on freedom but I am feeling this guy is a traitor.
On the other hand I am appreciating the fact that the azata path is a bit more nuanced, like in your court you have choices between the cheerfull, loud, chaotic, crazy, rainbow side (decline) or the more neutral, natural, tranquility side (Incline).

 

[Shadenuat]

Imagine being treated by poziel. He hired a fucking orchestra to declare to me, too bad there was no option "Stab Poziel" only some bshit like "i appreciate it but we can only be friends".

Imagine being courted by Lann - he invites the girl on some tet-a-tet combat "training" and when she agrees, removes all her equipment and actually tries to smash her face for real

Hey don't be so pushy, I wrote it all while was running Countess and drinking coffee and all I got was 5 EL and 3 ELD
Sosiel in the beginning is obviously to pander to Paizo + he different character.
They key point is to shift around characters & drag MC rise to power 1 step (chapter) back.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

stage two - you are ordered what to do and cannot kill those who order you.

Nobody orders you to do anything though. You can refuse the Cheliaxian advisor's policy proposals and he even gets punished by the Cheliaxian Queen at the end of the Devil path questline for failing you as it were.

 

[Thac0]

What motivation could a character have to pick Wenduag here, other than stupidity or horny-for-spiderlegs?

Neutral Good OP.
Take good character with you? You share their worldview.
Take evil character with you? You want to redeem them.
I find it hardest to justify having the fox with dementia around, given that that slot could be filled by a saint or a sinner.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I find it hardest to justify having the fox with dementia around

Easy, imagine that you are playing a Paizo sitcom.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Nobody orders you to do anything though

Again - does Wenduag see it? Can she comprehend it? Is it a sign of strength to her?

That is why I so much prefer Chaotic Evil: kill until you are killed. Or the game ends, and you win.

 

[LannTheStupid]

So IQ 180 is dementia now?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Nobody orders you to do anything though

Again - does Wenduag see it? Can she comprehend it? Is it a sign of strength to her?

I agree with you on that front.

That is why I so much prefer Chaotic Evil: kill until you are killed. Or the game ends, and you win.

Don't get me wrong, I like CE too when done tastefully (which Wrath seems to do more or less). It's just not my favorite roleplaying archetype. LN (when done from a more down to earth angle rather than the one that the Aeon path portrays) > LE > CE.

And on that note, my second playthrough will prolly be a LN Dwarven Cleric of Torag. Gonna go for Legend mythic path.

 

[Thac0]

So IQ 180 is dementia now?

Leave it to a slav to believe that just because there is a big number on the tin there is also a lot of stuff inside.
Nenio thinks like me as a teenager, I regularily cringe when reading her dialogue.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Nenio thinks like me as a teenager, I regularily cringe when reading her dialogue.

Take a seat on the couch, Thac0. There might be unresolved childhood issues here which we should (psych)analyze.

 

[Thonius]

How to fix Dworf?

Pull ears and feet at same time to make elf.

Still need help with that retardo build, 7 int but buff for combat maneuvers? Tower shield spec but focus on glaive? Lmao what the fuck? Time to cheat I ques.

 

[ArchAngel]

Because you trust your ability to survive such backstab and you find them useful until that point. Wenduag is by far the strongest companion in the game. Her damage output is crazy.

I'm talking in roleplaying terms, not character stats. But honestly, you can make any character into a powerhouse in this game with little difference as to who is actually the strongest, especially with respec.

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!
All you have shown is that while you are asking us to roleplay you are actually acting like you knew it is a game where you will win no matter what you choose... basically you are acting like a average american retard (read liberal) who thinks RL is flowers and parties.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!

Predictability > Power boost.

 

[ArchAngel]

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!

Predictability > Power boost.

Yes, we can predict you and your buddy to end up dead half way in.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!

Predictability > Power boost.

Yes, we can predict you and your body to end up dead half way in.

While such a gamble might be alright for a single encounter, it's not worth it as a military asset for a crusade. You're being narrow sighted and picking encounter tactics over campaign strategy. War planning requires reliable commanders, not loose cannons that might win you this or that battle while losing the war once they go off the reservation and fuck up your plans (or even worse, stage a mutiny).

 

[thesheeep]

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!

1. You don't KNOW people's "real" stats. As said, I'm arguing from a roleplaying perspective. Your character doesn't know who is stronger (you only know these people since a few hours at best), just their attitude.
2. Your comparison makes no sense at all. You are not choosing between a professional and your buddy, but between two professionals, one of which is clearly a traitor and the other might be a bit weaker (maybe?) but probably not a traitor. Especially from a "real life" perspective, you would never, ever choose the traitor as that would be a huge gamble.

All you have shown is that while you are asking us to roleplay you are actually acting like you knew it is a game where you will win no matter what you choose... basically you are acting like a average american retard (read liberal) who things RL is flowers and parties.

Why do people who run out of arguments always devolve into some strangely lame attempt at politics bashing?
Grow up, man.

 

[Shadenuat]

You guyz are too serious and also too cynical. I doubt if some of the old games came out today you'd ever appreciate them.

Otherwise maybe I would have applied to Owlcat to write Ember romance for you. But as is you're stuck with some cannibals.

You know I had that idea for fanfiction where companions come to you arguing ME style and you can make choices, in particular I had a good one for Cam + Ember; but I am not telling it now since I need to get Andariel TP.

 

[NJClaw]

Mh, let's see:

Yes, I think I'm going to be able to beat this army, let's go:

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

 

[ArchAngel]

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!

1. You don't KNOW people's "real" stats. As said, I'm arguing from a roleplaying perspective. Your character doesn't know who is stronger (you only know these people since a few hours at best), just their attitude.
2. Your comparison makes no sense at all. You are not choosing between a professional and your buddy, but between two professionals, one of which is clearly a traitor and the other might be a bit weaker (maybe?) but probably not a traitor. Especially from a "real life" perspective, you would never, ever choose the traitor as that would be a huge gamble.

All you have shown is that while you are asking us to roleplay you are actually acting like you knew it is a game where you will win no matter what you choose... basically you are acting like a average american retard (read liberal) who things RL is flowers and parties.

Why do people who run out of arguments always devolve into some strangely lame attempt at politics bashing?
Grow up, man.

You see them enough. One is hardcore killer ready to do what needs to be done, other is some naive stupid boy. We are fighting demons here, not some random nobodies. City was just fucking invaded and almost destroyed. Your life and life of others depends on your choices and you need every edge you can get. Only a retard would pick Lann over a hardcore killer in that situation. You can always tell the killer to go away later if you fear her betraying you.

 

[ArchAngel]

Character stats and capability is all it matters in a life or death situation or in military. If you needed to survive a dark alley full of bandits would you pick Tyson on drugs that might bite your ear off on the other side or your buddy that didn't do any fighting in his life?!

Predictability > Power boost.

Yes, we can predict you and your body to end up dead half way in.

While such a gamble might be alright for a single encounter, it's not worth it as a military asset for a crusade. You're being narrow sighted and picking encounter tactics over campaign strategy. War planning requires reliable commanders, not loose cannons that might win you this or that battle while losing the war once they go off the reservation and fuck up your plans (or even worse, stage a mutiny).

But you are not picking army commanders, just people that will travel with you and help you accomplish your personal goals. Wenduag has joined one of my councils but I just ignore all her advice all the time. On missions she does best what she is best at: murdering those I point a finger at.

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

Eh, apparently the enemy stats option under difficulties indeed juggles also with enemy DR. On slightly weaker, it basically seems slashed in half (even though the enemy sheet actually shows the full DR, that is a dretch demon having a 5 DR, whereas the setting would actually only apply like 2).

I don't remember Kingmaker doing this, it's been a while though. Setting-wise, this may make some sense. However, given that this setting adjusts far more then DR, I wish there was a seperate setting for DR adjustments.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

1. You don't KNOW people's "real" stats. As said, I'm arguing from a roleplaying perspective. Your character doesn't know who is stronger (you only know these people since a few hours at best), just their attitude.
2. Your comparison makes no sense at all. You are not choosing between a professional and your buddy, but between two professionals, one of which is clearly a traitor and the other might be a bit weaker (maybe?) but probably not a traitor. Especially from a "real life" perspective, you would never, ever choose the traitor as that would be a huge gamble.

As Sun Tzu put it:

14. Now an army is exposed to six several calamities, not arising from natural causes, but from faults for which the general is responsible. These are: (1) Flight; (2) insubordination; (3) collapse; (4) ruin; (5) disorganization; (6) rout. [...]

16. When the common soldiers are too strong and their officers too weak, the result is insubordination. When the officers are too strong and the common soldiers too weak, the result is collapse.

17. When the higher officers are angry and insubordinate, and on meeting the enemy give battle on their own account from a feeling of resentment, before the commander-in-chief can tell whether or no he is in a position to fight, the result is ruin. [...]

22. He who knows these things, and in fighting puts his knowledge into practice, will win his battles. He who knows them not, nor practices them, will surely be defeated.

I'd also argue that Lann falls into the other extreme of a weak officer as covered by point 16. So as previously stated, no mongrels in one's army is the best strategic choice.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

But you are not picking army commanders, just people that will travel with you and help you accomplish your personal goals. Wenduag has joined one of my councils but I just ignore all her advice all the time. On missions she does best what she is best at: murdering those I point a finger at.

You are taking her primarily as a commander for your future mongrel (component of your) army and only secondarily as a companion. Although you as a player are free not to do her companion quest, naturally.

 

[Daidre]

You see them enough. One is hardcore killer ready to do what needs to be done, other is some naive stupid boy. We are fighting demons here, not some random nobodies. City was just fucking invaded and almost destroyed. Your life and life of others depends on your choices and you need every edge you can get. Only a retard would pick Lann over a hardcore killer in that situation. You can always tell the killer to go away later if you fear her betraying you.

I do not want to sound rude, but if your intent is to fight demons and nothing more, then picking up the person who already gave in to demonic corruption once and ready to do this again without second thought is kinda retarded too?