Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Ghulgothas]

Word of warning, don't destroy

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Zacharius' wand when you find it in the smuggler's camp.

Doing so completely removes that little basement from Lost Chapel, as in the entry staircase gets bricked over. No boss or loot for you.

 

[Daidre]

Yeah I'd say gameplay in ch1-2 can have curious cases of being tuned against Good-aligned MC/party.
I never realised how problematic gargs can be because I never had Good tanks or even Good aligned MCs.

Yes, and this makes all high-end DR/Evil abilities like Paladins lvl 20 Holy Champion pretty sad. Kinda ridiculous, it is much more useful in Kingmaker's endgame (Fey) that has nothing to do with paladins lore-wise, but in Wrath, where palas are getting their chance to smite at last, half of the enemies from Chapter 1 already have Evil-aligned attacks and ignore it.

 

[volklore]

I think you need to buff up the AB of your tank. I tested that in KM back when but It seems it's similar in wrath that an enemy is more likely to move on from a target if it has high AC and low AB.

I... do not think I've ever built frontliner who is lacking in AB department. Especially with my obsession with Outflank.

I've witnessed this just now, with prologue boss, Hostilla - first round she've tried to hit my horse, but switched to Seelah the same second she entered the melee range. And completely lost interest in my Gendarme-Pala with the Glaive who was smiting her face with like +20AB.

I have noticed enemies moving away from tanks yeah. But it seems to take them more or less time depending on how high AB they have. The main moment I noticed it was in the gargoyle cave prenerf where gargoyles would just run through 1000 attacks of opportunities just to get to my backline. But I haven't seen it much since.

 

[ga♥]

There are a few occasions in midnight fane and the ivory sanctum as well. Also in the abyss babau infilitrators just teleports to your backline.

 

[Jackpot]

I've noticed that certain AI focus a character depending on who hit them first.
I've cast a spell on an enemy to engage them as Nenio and had the enemy completely lock on to her, to the point where I just had her run in circles while the rest of my party killed it.
The same enemy attacked normally when I didn't cast a spell on them to start the fight.

 

[Cryomancer]

How did you guys beat him?

Already posted video beating him. Domain of the hungry flesh

repetitive video

 

[LannTheStupid]

Reactivity exists:

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[Jaedar]

that crossbow which wounds Deskari

Anyone knows what happens if you DON'T shoot?

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Do you still get the purple knife? Any other changes?

I did not shoot, and have replayed act 1 with a character that did shoot, and I have noticed 0 differences.

 

[Mauman]

is OK. But infantry damage really does not matter much when you can spam scorching ray and fireballs. You just need you troops to not die.
For non-mage generals I like to use Hedge Knights. Hard hitting, tough and has good mobility.

Despite their lower than conscript hp, they have really high AC, so they don't die THAT easily. Spearmen are weird in that their life total and damage potential (via number of weekly available recruits) is lower than conscripts, but their AC and attack is so much higher they somehow come out ahead on both survival AND damage.

Furthermore, energy can be at a premium for longer campaigns (i.e. longer periods of time that you're taking your mage general around to kill stuff).

At the end of the day, your mage general can only cast once per round. So the best deal is killing a bunch with your general AND killing a bunch with your troops.

Already posted video beating him. Domain of the hungry flesh

repetitive video

Hell, I didn't even need anything fancy like that. True striked vital strikes and rays were all I needed. Took him down in 3 (I think) turns.

Only thing "cheaty" that I use is completely respecced companions, which is more or less something that anybody can do just with mercenaries.

I did not shoot, and have replayed act 1 with a character that did shoot, and I have noticed 0 differences.

The only difference is that

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demon mommy

is disappointed in you and you have to make up for with other choices to get

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the secret ending (there's like 7 choices throughout the game and you have to get 5 right)

Absolutely no other differences.

 

[NJClaw]

Oh wow, so it turns out that everyone who was crying about Playful Darkness being impossible to hit was just a little bitch. Who would have thought?

The encounter is absurdly overtuned, but so are your characters by that point. If you throw all your resources at him, you can easily reach the threshold where the only way to miss him is a natural 1. By that point, you have to try really hard not to be capable of stacking a total of +63 to hit (between actual to-hit bonuses and AC penalties).

Such a brutal fight is still unwarranted, though. It should be announced in a clearer way. Not "pop-up that tells you to prepare for the next fight" levels of clearness, but something close to that. In its current state, I don't see how you could ever survive without having failed the encounter at least once. But, again, I can't even see how you could find him impossible to hit after having failed it at least once.

 

[The_Mask]

Is this thing a reference to the Order of the Stick?

 

[Sharpedge]

Oh wow, so it turns out that everyone who was crying about Playful Darkness being impossible to hit was just a little bitch. Who would have thought?

The encounter is absurdly overtuned, but so are your characters by that point. If you throw all your resources at him, you can easily reach the threshold where the only way to miss him is a natural 1. By that point, you have to try really hard not to be capable of stacking a total of +63 to hit (between actual to-hit bonuses and AC penalties).

Such a brutal fight is still unwarranted, though. It should be announced in a clearer way. Not "pop-up that tells you to prepare for the next fight" levels of clearness, but something close to that. In its current state, I don't see how you could ever survive without having failed the encounter at least once. But, again, I can't even see how you could find him impossible to hit after having failed it at least once.

The fight is poorly telegraphed, I agree. But as you said, it is also very possible to beat it. Out of the optional boss fights, I feel like the

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Pathetic Quasit

is the best telegraphed. If you mess with it, it really is your own fault :D

 

[Aarwolf]

Azata run and Trickster run done, to the Angel/Golden Dragon run we go.

 

[Mauman]

Azata run and Trickster run done, to the Angel/Golden Dragon run we go.

Once I'm done with Trickster I'm so going to miss Completely Normal Spell. Holy shit that thing is GOLD.

 

[TheEntitledOne]

I wanted to complete an Angel run with my Paladin of Iomidae, but when the big boss tells me to give away my powers I had to reconsider. Asked my companions for their opinions just in case. Ember: "You can win without magic tricks. I will help you!" She better vaporize the end boss with her pacifism death rays. My Legend is an absolute murderhobo now at the very least.

Unsure of what to pick next, Aeon or Trickster. Which one has the most unique story content?

 

[Sharpedge]

If you mess with it, it really is your own fault

I didn't manage to find that fucker

Anyway, who the hell sells dino bones in ch.5? I swear to God I saw some 100 pieces on someone but I was drunk, somehow decided it was smart to buy when I was sober and forgot where I saw them.

I haven't found any vendors that sell dino bones in ch.5. If you want to know where that boss is,

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it is on the roof of the building directly to the north of the harem of ardent dreams in act 4. You can only reach it with dimension door.

 

[purupuru]

I thought Playful Darkness was well telegraphed. You find dead demon bodies along the way (you didn't kill them, so something else must did), and then the trail of bodies leads to a alcove where the ground is completely covered with skeletons and there is some loot at the center. I saw that and thought "Yeah something nasty is gonna pop out the moment I go near that place."

 

[Mauman]

If you mess with it, it really is your own fault

I didn't manage to find that fucker

Anyway, who the hell sells dino bones in ch.5? I swear to God I saw some 100 pieces on someone but I was drunk, somehow decided it was smart to buy when I was sober and forgot where I saw them.

No one sells dino bones period (no one I found at least). Which is extremely aggravating. Thankfully I have a brown fur transmuter who just doles out Frightening aspects which are almost as good (not quite though, stats are the same but legendary increases weapon damage by two factors vs FA's one).

If you really did find someone selling them, I'd like to really know who it was. Shame you were drunk.

 

[Cryomancer]

Azata run and Trickster run done, to the Angel/Golden Dragon run we go.

Go lich next. Lich is amazing.

 

[Rusty Eyes]

OK, several playthroughs for several people have come and gone, so once again I raise my question - which Path has the most unique content/reactivity/depth etc.?

 

[TheEntitledOne]

I thought Playful Darkness was well telegraphed. You find dead demon bodies along the way (you didn't kill them, so something else must did), and then the trail of bodies leads to a alcove where the ground is completely covered with skeletons and there is some loot at the center. I saw that and thought "Yeah something nasty is gonna pop out the moment I go near that place."

Problem is that he aggros even if you don't get close the bonepit itself, whenever any of the cunts of the area attack you. At least he is rather trivial if you bombard him with positive energy.

 

[Ghulgothas]

OK, several playthroughs for several people have come and gone, so once again I raise my question - which Path has the most unique content/reactivity/depth etc.?

A tie between Azata and Lich. The Azata

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Gets your tag-along flying island, a team of gnome warriors who clear fights for you, a new spin on the final Act III dungeon unique to them, a quest necissitating the elimination of an entire zone in Act IV, a boss who bursts into enough XP for two level ups, and Aivu.

The Lich

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Gets five Undead Companions who all may-or-may-not have unique dialogue (Staunton does for certain), extra dialogue from raising corpses and binding spirits, and Master Zacharius and your Pillar of Skulls.

Can't speak for the others yet, but those two have very high storyfag marks on-top of their unique content and reactivity.

 

[Haplo]

Hm, turns out the bug wasn't that Sohei cannot use other mounts then horses.
Apprently the bug is that you cannot pick a 3rd Animal Companion class at all. And its still there.
Damn.

 

[Parabalus]

Oh wow, so it turns out that everyone who was crying about Playful Darkness being impossible to hit was just a little bitch. Who would have thought?

The encounter is absurdly overtuned, but so are your characters by that point. If you throw all your resources at him, you can easily reach the threshold where the only way to miss him is a natural 1. By that point, you have to try really hard not to be capable of stacking a total of +63 to hit (between actual to-hit bonuses and AC penalties).

Such a brutal fight is still unwarranted, though. It should be announced in a clearer way. Not "pop-up that tells you to prepare for the next fight" levels of clearness, but something close to that. In its current state, I don't see how you could ever survive without having failed the encounter at least once. But, again, I can't even see how you could find him impossible to hit after having failed it at least once.

The fight is poorly telegraphed, I agree. But as you said, it is also very possible to beat it. Out of the optional boss fights, I feel like the

Spoiler

Pathetic Quasit

is the best telegraphed. If you mess with it, it really is your own fault :D

What is the Playful Darkness though?

PF lore wise.

 

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