Longes
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You can ask Melies about that and he tells you that both him and his troops are disguised with magic. So other people in your council room straight up do not see him as a giant burning devil.
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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]
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volklore
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The game told me I failed to embody the azata even though I followed Early <totally a real azata, I swear> Sunset's advice to the letter. This guy has literally advised me to do lawful and evil things throughout. Pretty funny how Aivu never really mentions how strange Early Sunset is for an azata who's supposed to be a cosmic expression of freedom and rainbows.
Longes
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A literal infant is probably the only person Early Sunset might plausibly fool.
So for anyone interested - this is what I meant 10 or so pages ago.
As depicted above, the stairs look like they are 3D, while in fact they are not. It is impossible to go underneath.
The same was true in the 90's when the DOOM engine had the same limitations, and only the development of Quake brought true 3D - when a point on the bridge and right under the bridge became both accessible.
So in the mounted combat the rider and the mount are located at (roughly) the same point in 2D space, but their elevations are different. What if the game plays the same trick: it looks like the rider and the mount are separate attackers, while in fact they are not? Or, even worse: what if their attacks have different 2D coordinates instead of having the same? So the rider looks together with the mount, while in fact they attack different points on the flat surface?
I think it might lead to the whole bunch of bugs, which are not bugs, but the difference between the expectations from the picture and the limitations of the engine.
The same was true in the 90's when the DOOM engine had the same limitations, and only the development of Quake brought true 3D - when a point on the bridge and right under the bridge became both accessible.
So in the mounted combat the rider and the mount are located at (roughly) the same point in 2D space, but their elevations are different. What if the game plays the same trick: it looks like the rider and the mount are separate attackers, while in fact they are not? Or, even worse: what if their attacks have different 2D coordinates instead of having the same? So the rider looks together with the mount, while in fact they attack different points on the flat surface?
I think it might lead to the whole bunch of bugs, which are not bugs, but the difference between the expectations from the picture and the limitations of the engine.
Thonius
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Uh what's wrong about him? Never used the guy so can't say much about him, just that he is black and cleric.
Longes
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I still have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. It could be impossible to go under the stairs because the stairs are actually a transparent cube with "stairs" located inside the cube, and a pathing map painted over the part that is actually the stairs.So for anyone interested - this is what I meant 10 or so pages ago.
As depicted above, the stairs look like they are 3D, while in fact they are not. It is impossible to go underneath.
The same was true in the 90's when the DOOM engine had the same limitations, and only the development of Quake brought true 3D - when a point on the bridge and right under the bridge became both accessible.
So in the mounted combat the rider and the mount are located at (roughly) the same point in 2D space, but their elevations are different. What if the game plays the same trick: it looks like the rider and the mount are separate attackers, while in fact they are not? Or, even worse: what if their attacks have different 2D coordinates instead of having the same? So the rider looks together with the mount, while in fact they attack different points on the flat surface?
I think it might lead to the whole bunch of bugs, which are not bugs, but the difference between the expectations from the picture and the limitations of the engine.
volklore
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And yet no one is your court of desna hippies mentions how strange any of ES's suggestions are. For people who litterally worship azatas and Elysium gods, that's a bit weird. Granted I followed his advice because I thought a character who was kinda given azata powers randomly would be pretty influenceable especially when faced with the responsibility of a crusade. It actually make the whole path more interesting this way.
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Technically, she does, you just don't get to find out about it until the very end of her questline - and most people will have killed her off by then, or accepted any atrocities without knowing about it. So in that sense, it's still a nice social experiment or rather showcases the willingness of people to simp for someone who simply doesn't deserve any kindness towards her. But shes portrayed as a "gorgeous" woman (straight woman, at that) so people simp for her regardless of her lack of redeeming qualities.
She was tortured and abused as a kid, so her being fucked up kind of makes sense. She was already exhibiting psychopathic behavior as a child, killing animals and such, but things certainly won't get better if your father locks you into your room, bars on the window, and whenever he leaves the house you get tortured by your "mentor"/"doctor".
Most people assume the torture devices in the Gwerm mansion to be hers, but that's not her room, it's her old mentors.
Most people assume the torture devices in the Gwerm mansion to be hers, but that's not her room, it's her old mentors.
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I picked urgathoa as a lich, and aside from lots of "a moth appears as a clear sign that you are pleasing urgathoa" there's been any reactivity.
ArchAngel
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There is some here and there. Like the priests of Urgathoa that join you praise you for it. I think I saw some others do as well. But if you mean if there were any quests to solve of specific content, yea I have not seen that as well.
Minecrawler
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Should we consider the fact that she is the only straight option for male characters a part of said social experiment?
Like, you don't have to court a maniac for a year and a half. See, Daeran got some roses for you because you accidentally coughed on him.
ArchAngel
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Paladin chick is not straight?
ArchAngel
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Barbarian chick in last game was also not romanceable, is this because they are iconic PF characters?!
Minecrawler
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I mean, Amiri doesn't like men in general, and Seelah spends life fangirling over stronk female knights.
It's kinda logical.
But yeah, Paizo's iconic getting a husband... A shame trickster can't pull off this kind of stuff.
Delterius
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I don't know if the game's writing does this, but I remember certain discussions of the AP online that had this interesting little metaplot about why exactly the Crusaders are such failures and it's all due to Baphomet. Iomedae's Church and their way of thinking was a good match for Deskari. The demon lord is aggressive and brutal, but a straightfoward opponent. And the knights that serve Iomedae do just that, fight straightforward battles. The Crusades were successful as long as both sides were the same.
However the addition of Baphomet didn't just change the way the demons fight, it added a long term factor of Baphomet's Cult assassinating everyone who was a threat. If they could see through the demon's machinations, they die. If they are moronic zealots like Hulrun they get to live and be bamboozled for the rest of their lives. Add in the century long stagnation of the conflict, plus the rise of a comfortable aristocracy in Mendev and you have Baphomet slowly pruning the Crusade's blades into being brittle as glass.
Well, if you look at all three romancable female party members - Wenduag, Camellia and Arushae... Two murdering cannibals and one murdering cannibal on the thorny way to redemption.
Here I am not even sure where social experiment ends and sheer trolling starts.
Justicar
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Trash game faggots.
ga♥
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Aru is a poor man fall-from-grace.
While Camelia like the
sadist aasimar in the abyss
And now about pathfinding.
Pathfinding in fights is decent. Or even good. At least in RTwP.
What is really, really bad is that during the fights the game considers all the entities on the battlefield larger than they are shown. And circles under the party figures provide no relevant information about sizes.
So if you imagine everyone and everything - including obstacles - on the battlefield twice as wide and thick - pathfinding becomes a breeze. Honestly, I'd love to be able to turn on the grid in the settings. Even for RTwP.
And it worked exactly like this in Kingmaker. So it is either the core (mis)feature of Unity, or Owlcat Games do not want to spend time solving this problem.
Pathfinding in fights is decent. Or even good. At least in RTwP.
What is really, really bad is that during the fights the game considers all the entities on the battlefield larger than they are shown. And circles under the party figures provide no relevant information about sizes.
So if you imagine everyone and everything - including obstacles - on the battlefield twice as wide and thick - pathfinding becomes a breeze. Honestly, I'd love to be able to turn on the grid in the settings. Even for RTwP.
And it worked exactly like this in Kingmaker. So it is either the core (mis)feature of Unity, or Owlcat Games do not want to spend time solving this problem.
ga♥
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I am happy you provided a sincere warning in your nickname for everyone, LannTheStupid, because pathfinding is crap (in rtwp).
They decided to make fights harder to make lot of fights in small rooms, bridges and such vs Kingmaker, and you will see how your characters will start rotating on themselves endlessy many times instead of attacking, or moving towards the enemies instead of attacking.
So, yeah no.
They decided to make fights harder to make lot of fights in small rooms, bridges and such vs Kingmaker, and you will see how your characters will start rotating on themselves endlessy many times instead of attacking, or moving towards the enemies instead of attacking.
So, yeah no.
Ghulgothas
Arcane
I don't think you guys are giving Sosiel enough credit tbh. While he may be a perfectly adequate buff/healbot like most generic clerics are, his true value lies off the battlefield.
He is the perfect lie detector. He falls for every bit of deception and trickery used on you in the game, absolutely falling over himself with misplaced forgiveness and childlike naivete to every demon, cultist and whatever-the-hell he comes across. Act in perfect opposite to what he preaches, and you'll never be fooled.
He is the perfect lie detector. He falls for every bit of deception and trickery used on you in the game, absolutely falling over himself with misplaced forgiveness and childlike naivete to every demon, cultist and whatever-the-hell he comes across. Act in perfect opposite to what he preaches, and you'll never be fooled.
Also, about pathfinding.
What is really infuriating is that outside of the fights the circles under the party figures represent them correctly. They nimbly walk in tight formations, smoothly go through doors and so on. But when a fight starts everybody becomes twice their size. Or, more realistically, the game drops invisible grid on the floor. And, because the grid is invisible, players cannot predict the paths - and complain.
What is really infuriating is that outside of the fights the circles under the party figures represent them correctly. They nimbly walk in tight formations, smoothly go through doors and so on. But when a fight starts everybody becomes twice their size. Or, more realistically, the game drops invisible grid on the floor. And, because the grid is invisible, players cannot predict the paths - and complain.
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