Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sharpedge]

Fought this for 1 hour in TB on the winning attempt. Drops like the best item in the game, I feel.

I had suicidal urges whilst going through that dungeon. It was absolutely zero challenge at that stage of the game, it was too big for its own good and involved too much running about, the crystal shit was mind bogglingly tedious and the puzzles were absolutely meh. On my second and third runs of the game, the sole reason as to why I've done it again to begin with was to collect the crystal from the boss for ascension. I actually cheated in like 20 blue and green power source crystals to skip the hassle, which I wholeheartedly recommend to everyone in their own subsequent runs.

What dungeon?! I just fought the thing as soon as I found it, killed it and took the helm that had a too big downside to use so I sold it.

There are 2 helmets with similar stats. The 1 you get for solving the puzzles in the "secrets of creation" and the other you obtain for fully clearing out The Enigma. The Enigma is a serious drag, probably the worst dungeon in the game.

 

[Sharpedge]

probably the worst dungeon in the game.

Let's not get too crazy here. There's still the codex dungeon in the game. It's almost like we had a design shitpost competition with Owlcat.

The Codex dungeon is only a single fight though and is over in about 3-6 minutes. Its a somewhat annoying gimmick fight, but it doesn't drag on for an extended period of time unlike the Enigma.

 

[Anthedon]

When first entering The Enigma I was like Pyramids and shit? Cool! Then you stumble upon the crystal puzzles and it's more like . Then you realize you explored only one half of the map and there's another floor of the same content and you turn into .

 

[Stoned Ape]

I think chapter 5 is generally the lowest point in the game.

For me, there's not much to choose between the first 4 chapters, I enjoy them all about equally.

5 has very few fun parts to play through, and those good sections are also pretty short

Spoiler

Areelu's secret lab is probably the best bit.

Then there's a shed load of annoying/tedious crap.

Chapter 6 is alright apart from that annoying lightning spammer, but still isn't as good as the first 4 in my opinion.

 

[Cryomancer]

Agreed. Ch 5 is a chore for most part.

 

[ArchAngel]

What dungeon?! I just fought the thing as soon as I found it, killed it and took the helm that had a too big downside to use so I sold it.

Enigma, the one in Nenio's quest. You fight sphinx demon lady in the Heart of Mystery quest too.

Ah, I guess I didn't do the Enigma dungeon as I could not find all the masks for Nenio quest. But the other Sphinx was a pushover.

 

[Tsubutai]

What I am wondering is where did I miss the 4th mask needed for Nenio quest. I was sure I cleared everything...

Hard to say without knowing which ones you *did* get.

Spoiler

One mask is in the secret room at Pulura's falls, one is in the Ivory Sanctum, one is in the Ineluctable Prison, and one is in the Heart of Mystery.

 

[Sharpedge]

What dungeon?! I just fought the thing as soon as I found it, killed it and took the helm that had a too big downside to use so I sold it.

Enigma, the one in Nenio's quest. You fight sphinx demon lady in the Heart of Mystery quest too.

Ah, I guess I didn't do the Enigma dungeon as I could not find all the masks for Nenio quest. But the other Sphinx was a pushover.

Since I am a very nice person and am totally not inflicting a curse upon you, you can find the 4 masks at

Spoiler

Hidden Room in Pulura's Fall, Puzzle in Ineluctable Prison, Puzzle in Ivory Sanctum and Randomly lying on the ground at the Heart of Mystery.

You can thank me after you finish the Enigma. :D

 

[ArchAngel]

What I am wondering is where did I miss the 4th mask needed for Nenio quest. I was sure I cleared everything...

Hard to say without knowing which ones you *did* get.

Spoiler

One mask is in the secret room at Pulura's falls, one is in the Ivory Sanctum, one is in the Ineluctable Prison, and one is in the Heart of Mystery.

I think Pulura's falls or Inelectuble prison would be where I missed it. Pulura has some high DCs and Prison had some shapes on wall that I didn't even bother solving as I didn't find any books or anywhere that told me what to do with those.

 

[Stoned Ape]

I think Pulura's falls or Inelectuble prison would be where I missed it. Pulura has some high DCs and Prison had some shapes on wall that I didn't even bother solving as I didn't find any books or anywhere that told me what to do with those.

If liked the 'puzzles' in the prison enough to ignore them, you'll probably love spending a few hours doing even more exciting ones in the enigma.

 

[Raghar]

"Every scientist thinks their field research is going to continue forever! But as the saying goes — at the end of the day, we all must compile our bibliography and references..." — Nenio

This is actually bullshit.

When you do research without using other scientific works, you don't need to provide ANY reference. And it's actually degrading your work when you DO provide some references.

Bibliography is provided just for convenience to point to similar stuff and important books about subject.


I remember when I did some research I found so many bullshit they had in scientific works, I'd write 3x as much text about misconceptions than about real subject. (For example: It's kinda funny archaeogenetic actually shows REAL genetics of that population, not a "we thought because they bought vases from neighbors they are just branch of the same people", when in reality they were completely different and had closed borders to immigration to protect themselves... probably to protect themselves from changing genetic by migrations, or to protect themselves from being overrun and sold to slavery (Immigrants were awesome fifth column). It's actually kinda funny, small genetics groups need to preserve theirs own genetics and try to remove genetic defects. Big groups simply sell consequences of intermixing they don't want to slavery, preferably castrated.)

Historical (pre 1200) European climate, virology, and overpopulation/demographic problems, are also full of idiocy.

 

[Zed]

Anyone else order the boxed copy through kickstarter? They sent out they were going to ship them soon and I got a notification from "KRISTA" that a package from moscow was arriving, errrr, tomorrow. I'm assuming it's the box. But maybe it's russian drugs who knows hey.

 

[Raghar]

End of act 4 - very early act 5 gives riddiculous amount of power. I went from lvl 17 M5 to lvl 20 M9 in like 3 hours of gameplay

This is called, we hit a deadline, and don't have time to make new content.

 

[ArchAngel]

I think Pulura's falls or Inelectuble prison would be where I missed it. Pulura has some high DCs and Prison had some shapes on wall that I didn't even bother solving as I didn't find any books or anywhere that told me what to do with those.

If liked the 'puzzles' in the prison enough to ignore them, you'll probably love spending a few hours doing even more exciting ones in the enigma.

I don't enjoy puzzles at all in my rpgs. If I need more than 1 minute to solve it, I just google the solution and continue playing.

 

[ArchAngel]

BTW, my HE-MAN run has started:


BattleCat is awesome, he just built a bridge in Market Square :D

 

[Longes]

"Every scientist thinks their field research is going to continue forever! But as the saying goes — at the end of the day, we all must compile our bibliography and references..." — Nenio

This is actually bullshit.

When you do research without using other scientific works, you don't need to provide ANY reference. And it's actually degrading your work when you DO provide some references.

Bibliography is provided just for convenience to point to similar stuff and important books about subject.


I remember when I did some research I found so many bullshit they had in scientific works, I'd write 3x as much text about misconceptions than about real subject. (For example: It's kinda funny archaeogenetic actually shows REAL genetics of that population, not a "we thought because they bought vases from neighbors they are just branch of the same people", when in reality they were completely different and had closed borders to immigration to protect themselves... probably to protect themselves from changing genetic by migrations, or to protect themselves from being overrun and sold to slavery (Immigrants were awesome fifth column). It's actually kinda funny, small genetics groups need to preserve theirs own genetics and try to remove genetic defects. Big groups simply sell consequences of intermixing they don't want to slavery, preferably castrated.)

Historical (pre 1200) European climate, virology, and overpopulation/demographic problems, are also full of idiocy.

I'll point out that Nenio is an absolutely terrible scientist, does not follow any semblance of the scientific method, and is pretty much just a raving lunatic with no known recognition from Golarion's scientific community.
Which, you know, is fitting for

Spoiler

what is basically a rogue scouting drone

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Time for the Trickster run

 

[Stoned Ape]

I'll point out that Nenio is an absolutely terrible scientist, does not follow any semblance of the scientific method, and is pretty much just a raving lunatic with no known recognition from Golarion's scientific community.
Which, you know, is fitting for

Spoiler

what is basically a rogue scouting drone

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Time for the Trickster run

To fully min/max your Rance, you'd probably do even better if you moved one of DEX or CON to 13 and the other to 15.

You can get 1 rank of the Knowledge Arcana Mythic Trick to give +1 enhancement bonus to any items your party identifies, including belts,so having all three physicals on odd numbers will benefit you in the long run.

 

[Longes]

I'll point out that Nenio is an absolutely terrible scientist, does not follow any semblance of the scientific method, and is pretty much just a raving lunatic with no known recognition from Golarion's scientific community.
Which, you know, is fitting for

Spoiler

what is basically a rogue scouting drone

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Time for the Trickster run

To fully min/max your Rance, you'd probably do even better if you moved one of DEX or CON to 13 and the other to 15.

You can get 1 rank of the Knowledge Arcana Mythic Trick to give +1 enhancement bonus to any items your party identifies, including belts,so having all three physicals on odd numbers will benefit you in the long run.

I'd also probably go with a Vivisectionist, Mutation Warrior, or Instinctual Barbarian. Rance does a lot of sneak attacking in his life, chugs Ibuprofen like a pro, and operates on instinct and animal drive more often than not. And all of these would be more minmax-y than a Fighter 20.

 

[Delterius]

i miss desiderius

 

[cw8]

probably the worst dungeon in the game.

Let's not get too crazy here. There's still the codex dungeon in the game. It's almost like we had a design shitpost competition with Owlcat.

The Engima has the pain the ass puzzles shoved in your face. 2 of them are the memory puzzles which are fine, the rest I can't be bothered to understand. Just referred to the wiki for all of them. The crystal power nodes are annoying and the shitty wiki doesn't cover that. And then there's the whole swarm of trash mobs inside, copy and pasted through all the rooms. Good for testing Weird I guess but annoying just the same.
At least the final boss there is fun and torturous in a same way. Probably the hardest one in the whole game.

 

[Fedora Master]

Eta for the full release of the patch is 2 weeks, lmao

 

[Fedora Master]

I think chapter 5 is generally the lowest point in the game.

For me, there's not much to choose between the first 4 chapters, I enjoy them all about equally.

5 has very few fun parts to play through, and those good sections are also pretty short

Spoiler

Areelu's secret lab is probably the best bit.

Then there's a shed load of annoying/tedious crap.

Chapter 6 is alright apart from that annoying lightning spammer, but still isn't as good as the first 4 in my opinion.

Exactly like Kingmaker.

 

[Raghar]

I found on reddit a thread about wrath of the righteous which is more edgy than posts on Codex. It's named "this_games_dungeon_crawling_experience".

Are you sure you are not confusing it with "Rat that ran out of toilet paper"? That one is supposed to be the final boss of the Dungeons and Rodents campaign, so it makes sense for it to have such high stats.

I just spent my Saturday reading through that sourcebook looking for an opportunity to dunk on you in this thread. I am happy to announce that you are totally wrong: the campaign is titled "Dungeons & Rodents," not "Dungeons and Rodents." Having found a small flaw in your comment, I will now refuse to address any of the actual points you made.

Also

After the long journey back to Drezen, I sell my haul of 800 lbs of cloaks of resistance+2, and I decide to go for a quick rest before adventuring again. Skipping through the 27 crusade events that pop the moment I enter the citadel, one of them catches my attention: it looks like Grandma Jensen needs the help of an experienced adventurer to get rid of the rats infesting her home. I smile to myself: Finally, a quest worthy of the commander of the crusade.

After opening the world map, I let out a sigh of relief: luckily, the journey to Grandma’s house, in the center of the Worldwound, will only take me about 6 days. I click on the nearest node in the map, and open one of the games in my phone while I wait for the 20 minutes that it will take my party to get there. To my dismay, I hear a loud sound: it seems like I’ve been ambushed. The battle is hard fought, but after a couple minutes the flying demonic meatballs lie dead at my feet. Even better, they don’t drop any loot, so the risk of my party being over encumbered is averted. I resurrect Greybor and go back to the world map. After 17 more ambushes, 6 random events and the skeletal merchant, I wait while one of my armies clears the 4 demon forts along the way. Quickly tracing my steps back for about 10 minutes to find the correct path, I finally reach Grandma’s house. Now the REAL fun begins.

As soon as I load into the area, I am greeted by the rat envoy: a long conversation and a cutscene ensues, after which I am immediately attacked by 4 melee rats, 6 ranger rats and two casting rodents. A mythic Glabrezu that was delivering Amazon packages also decides to join the enemy, and they quickly overrun my party. It was my own fault, I think to myself: I really got outplayed, and should have expected a fight as soon as I entered the zone. After many attempts and unskippable cutscenes I win the fight and remove Greybor’s negative levels and ability damage. I use all my buffs and decide that it is now time to enter the house.

The inside of the house is about what I expected: small rooms with extremely narrow corridors. While mentally making fun of all those fools out there that decided to play cavalier, one of my characters detects 3 traps in a hallway. It’s okay, I think, Woljif will handle it. However, I was overconfident once again: it seems there was something wrong with the pathing, and Woljif triggers all three traps: sirocco, cloudkill and blade barrier. It looks like Grandma really valued her privacy. Loading the latest save, I overcome this new obstacle, and after some easy fights, I notice a new pack of rats. Three seconds after the fight begins, Greybor explodes into a gory mess. Something is wrong, I realize, and inspect all the different rats. Seems like I made another mistake, one of these rats is not like the others: this is a Mildly Inconvinienced rat, a level 42 enemy with 86 AC and a fear aura that pierces all resistances. I mentally prepare for a long and arduous fight: this is going to be rough.

3 hours and many buffs later, I roll 42 NAT 20s in a row and deal enough damage to overcome the rat’s natural healing. And not a moment too soon, as I was sure it was preparing to instantly cast mirror image once again. These enemies drop no loot, but I notice three chests in the room they were defending. In one of said chests, I loot a chainmail+1, some rings of protection and a +2 unholy Tongi that deals bonus damage against lawful good enemies and is only equippable my neutral evil characters. My mind races with all the different possibilities for new builds that such a weapon enables. The other two chests require a level 45 trickery check, which Woljif overcomes with the help of some lockpicks. My reward for such a feat is a bunch of shiny stones and a masterwork cold iron falcata.

Making my way to Grandma’s kitchen, the final room in this dungeon, I prepare myself for a tough boss fight, but I am instead greeted by a familiar voice: Grandma Jensen is here, looks like she is actually a demon and has been deceiving me the entire time! After passing some perception checks and lamenting not being able to select the 6 different Angel mythic path choices, the boss fight begins. However, Succubus Jensen is not Mildly Inconvenienced, is fighting by herself, and has only 36 AC. The ensuing fight is quick and bloody, as I easily dispatch this demonic agent. While waiting for my min-maxed mercenary Ecclesitheurge to cast resurrection on Greybor, I decide to check people’s experiences with this particular dungeon in reddit, and find a post with someone complaining about the difficulty. With a smug grin, I prepare to write an essay about how easy the entire dungeon was with my Neoseeker Lich-Sorcerer build, crack my knuckles, and begin typing…

Yea just like that.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

What

 

[Fedora Master]

I found on reddit a thread about wrath of the righteous which is more edgy than posts on Codex. It's named "this_games_dungeon_crawling_experience".

Are you sure you are not confusing it with "Rat that ran out of toilet paper"? That one is supposed to be the final boss of the Dungeons and Rodents campaign, so it makes sense for it to have such high stats.

I just spent my Saturday reading through that sourcebook looking for an opportunity to dunk on you in this thread. I am happy to announce that you are totally wrong: the campaign is titled "Dungeons & Rodents," not "Dungeons and Rodents." Having found a small flaw in your comment, I will now refuse to address any of the actual points you made.

Also

After the long journey back to Drezen, I sell my haul of 800 lbs of cloaks of resistance+2, and I decide to go for a quick rest before adventuring again. Skipping through the 27 crusade events that pop the moment I enter the citadel, one of them catches my attention: it looks like Grandma Jensen needs the help of an experienced adventurer to get rid of the rats infesting her home. I smile to myself: Finally, a quest worthy of the commander of the crusade.

After opening the world map, I let out a sigh of relief: luckily, the journey to Grandma’s house, in the center of the Worldwound, will only take me about 6 days. I click on the nearest node in the map, and open one of the games in my phone while I wait for the 20 minutes that it will take my party to get there. To my dismay, I hear a loud sound: it seems like I’ve been ambushed. The battle is hard fought, but after a couple minutes the flying demonic meatballs lie dead at my feet. Even better, they don’t drop any loot, so the risk of my party being over encumbered is averted. I resurrect Greybor and go back to the world map. After 17 more ambushes, 6 random events and the skeletal merchant, I wait while one of my armies clears the 4 demon forts along the way. Quickly tracing my steps back for about 10 minutes to find the correct path, I finally reach Grandma’s house. Now the REAL fun begins.

As soon as I load into the area, I am greeted by the rat envoy: a long conversation and a cutscene ensues, after which I am immediately attacked by 4 melee rats, 6 ranger rats and two casting rodents. A mythic Glabrezu that was delivering Amazon packages also decides to join the enemy, and they quickly overrun my party. It was my own fault, I think to myself: I really got outplayed, and should have expected a fight as soon as I entered the zone. After many attempts and unskippable cutscenes I win the fight and remove Greybor’s negative levels and ability damage. I use all my buffs and decide that it is now time to enter the house.

The inside of the house is about what I expected: small rooms with extremely narrow corridors. While mentally making fun of all those fools out there that decided to play cavalier, one of my characters detects 3 traps in a hallway. It’s okay, I think, Woljif will handle it. However, I was overconfident once again: it seems there was something wrong with the pathing, and Woljif triggers all three traps: sirocco, cloudkill and blade barrier. It looks like Grandma really valued her privacy. Loading the latest save, I overcome this new obstacle, and after some easy fights, I notice a new pack of rats. Three seconds after the fight begins, Greybor explodes into a gory mess. Something is wrong, I realize, and inspect all the different rats. Seems like I made another mistake, one of these rats is not like the others: this is a Mildly Inconvinienced rat, a level 42 enemy with 86 AC and a fear aura that pierces all resistances. I mentally prepare for a long and arduous fight: this is going to be rough.

3 hours and many buffs later, I roll 42 NAT 20s in a row and deal enough damage to overcome the rat’s natural healing. And not a moment too soon, as I was sure it was preparing to instantly cast mirror image once again. These enemies drop no loot, but I notice three chests in the room they were defending. In one of said chests, I loot a chainmail+1, some rings of protection and a +2 unholy Tongi that deals bonus damage against lawful good enemies and is only equippable my neutral evil characters. My mind races with all the different possibilities for new builds that such a weapon enables. The other two chests require a level 45 trickery check, which Woljif overcomes with the help of some lockpicks. My reward for such a feat is a bunch of shiny stones and a masterwork cold iron falcata.

Making my way to Grandma’s kitchen, the final room in this dungeon, I prepare myself for a tough boss fight, but I am instead greeted by a familiar voice: Grandma Jensen is here, looks like she is actually a demon and has been deceiving me the entire time! After passing some perception checks and lamenting not being able to select the 6 different Angel mythic path choices, the boss fight begins. However, Succubus Jensen is not Mildly Inconvenienced, is fighting by herself, and has only 36 AC. The ensuing fight is quick and bloody, as I easily dispatch this demonic agent. While waiting for my min-maxed mercenary Ecclesitheurge to cast resurrection on Greybor, I decide to check people’s experiences with this particular dungeon in reddit, and find a post with someone complaining about the difficulty. With a smug grin, I prepare to write an essay about how easy the entire dungeon was with my Neoseeker Lich-Sorcerer build, crack my knuckles, and begin typing…

Yea just like that.

Reads like a parody of this thread.

Can’t believe you tried to beat the rats without taking a dip into monk and DD for the AC bonuses. Absolute Madman.

What can I say, I like using some less known classes, like ecclesitheurge and mutation warrior. Maybe a couple dips into vivisectionist here and there.

Agreed I really like how the story has so many ways it can fold out. See the problem is ungrateful players not appreciating there's multiple ways Granny Dia's Rat Troubles can end. Either you get the magical Wizard Cone of Judgement and a fun boss fight or you get an interesting flavour story of your characters sucking because Woljif didn't have AT LEAST 96 perception which is easy to get if you just dip levels into five different classes...

BTW I did this story on Unfair difficulty and it was surprisingly easy so no one should ever have difficulty completing this on lower difficulties how they want anyway. I only had to reload a failed dice roll once or fifty times.

Any tabletop Pathfinder player knows that there is a Pathfinder sourcebook that describes the Mildly Inconvenienced template and it is exactly this difficult. This implementation is flawless, and your suggestion that it could be any other way is completely ridiculous and shows an embarrassing lack of understanding of The Lore.

Honestly, this game is made for tabletop Pathfinder fans, and you repulsive casuals disgust me with posts like this.

I cleared grandma's house on the hardest difficulty with no companions - it's trivial with the right build and anybody can do the research to make this happen.

Seriously, just turn down the difficulty.

This game is not for you.

How does it make you feel, knowing that fucking Reddit is funnier than you, Wrath simps?