Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[LannTheStupid]

Is it possible to hit Level 7 before the end of Chapter 1? To have both the 1st Mythic level and 6->7 level up?

I am using the full party, and I have stopped XP sharing shenanigans after the Shield Maze. Right after the tavern defence the party is about 70% of the level 6.

 

[Yosharian]

Oversized is absolutely not worth a -2 penalty to AB.

Good thing then its compensated by the +2 Circumstance bonus to AB and Damage when mounted.

But personally I prefer weapons that crit a little more frequently, so given that's a late game weapon, I prefer others.

By the way, did Owlcat implement bonus Charge multiplier on Longspears (as replacement for lances)? I think this was mentioned somewhere, but not sure if actually implemented.

Yes but not everyone is mounted

 

[Yosharian]

By the time you get that longspear -2 isn't that big of a deal.

AB is by far the most important damage stat in this game. -2 is a big deal, minus anything is a big deal.

 

[Whisper]

Spawn Slayer is good? How many large+ enemies in game? How many of them are bosses?

 

[Orud]

AB is by far the most important damage stat in this game. -2 is a big deal, minus anything is a big deal.

Depends on what difficulty. It shouldn't matter on core, or lower, by the time you reach act V.

 

[Yosharian]

AB is by far the most important damage stat in this game. -2 is a big deal, minus anything is a big deal.

Depends on what difficulty. It shouldn't matter on core, or lower, by the time you reach act V.

But by that logic neither does the extra damage matter.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Spawn Slayer is good? How many large+ enemies in game? How many of them are bosses?

As I understand, Spawn Slayer trades only one standard Slayer feature for different permanent boosts against large, huge and so on enemies: using swift (instead of move) action to study target at Slayer level 7. It loses nothing else, neither feats nor sneak attacks.

So it depends on how good you are at managing move actions in RTwP (where it is quite difficult), or if you're playing in the TB mode.

 

[Whisper]

Spawn Slayer is good? How many large+ enemies in game? How many of them are bosses?

As I understand, Spawn Slayer trades only one standard Slayer feature for different permanent boosts against large, huge and so on enemies: using swift (instead of move) action to study target at Slayer level 7. It loses nothing else, neither feats nor sneak attacks.

So it depends on how good you are at managing move actions in RTwP (where it is quite difficult), or if you're playing in the TB mode.

Deliverer or Spawn slayer. I am comparing this two.

But it depends how many Huge enemies are at endgame?

 

[Technomancer]

Nope lol. It just works if you are under a poly effect like DKIII or Kitsune human form.

Kitsunes simply can do it cheaper, easier and earlier. For anyone else, only need lvl 9 brown fur since Animal Aspect line of spells are transmutation school, don't change your form and count as polymorph effects.

 

[Orud]

But by that logic neither does the extra damage matter.

How so? Enemies still have plenty of health. I don't think you understand: at that point you can easily have so much AB stacked or debuffed, that you need to be unlucky to miss. You can easily use an oversized weapon that, unlike most other weapons, also gives a additional bonus to hit to exactly offset that oversized hit penality.

 

[Yosharian]

Nope lol. It just works if you are under a poly effect like DKIII or Kitsune human form.

Kitsunes simply can do it cheaper, easier and earlier. For anyone else, only need lvl 9 brown fur since Animal Aspect line of spells are transmutation school, don't change your form and count as polymorph effects.

Ohhh snap, Animal Aspect triggers it? Huh that is pretty interesting.

 

[Technomancer]

Ohhh snap, Animal Aspect triggers it? Huh that is pretty interesting.

I never tested it, polymorph effect so it should...unless it's bugged as usual. Not playing a furry is a major incline so it must be flagged as game breaking issue.

 

[Yosharian]

Nope lol. It just works if you are under a poly effect like DKIII or Kitsune human form.

Kitsunes simply can do it cheaper, easier and earlier. For anyone else, only need lvl 9 brown fur since Animal Aspect line of spells are transmutation school, don't change your form and count as polymorph effects.

So I tested this, Greater Animal Aspect does NOT trigger effects which activate under polymorph effects. So I don't know where you got your information from, but you are wrong.

 

[Yosharian]

Ohhh snap, Animal Aspect triggers it? Huh that is pretty interesting.

I never tested it, polymorph effect so it should...unless it's bugged as usual. Not playing a furry is a major incline so it must be flagged as game breaking issue.

Sigh you shouldn't say things like that unless you have TESTED it, man.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Deliverer or Spawn slayer. I am comparing this two.

For the main hero Deliverer is better. The vast majority of the enemies are Chaotic Evil, so Lawful Good Deliverer covers them all.

 

[Technomancer]

So I tested this, Greater Animal Aspect does NOT trigger effects which activate under polymorph effects. So I don't know where you got your information from, but you are wrong.

That's on Owlcat. Don't blame the player, blame the game.

 

[Yosharian]

For those that do not know, various spells which are tagged as Polymorph effects in the PnP do not count as Polymorph effects in Wrath, thus not triggering effects like Master Shapeshifter or the various items like Shroud of the Eternal Hunger. These include all spells which are tagged as Polymorph but don't actually change your form. The only effects which trigger these effects are abilities or spells which actually change your shape.

Kitsune is unique because you are polymorphed and thus triggering the effects, but you still get to fight in human form and wield weapons etc. What some also probably don't know is that there is some buggy interaction with DKIII, in that you can activate DKIII for +14 STR then switch into Kitsune Human form and keep the bonuses.

 

[LannTheStupid]

So I tested this, Greater Animal Aspect does NOT trigger effects which activate under polymorph effects. So I don't know where you got your information from, but you are wrong.

That's on Owlcat. Don't blame the player, blame the game.

This should be confirmed by the relevant quote from the rules. Preferably with a link.

However, you have already shown your propensity to, erm, "testing".

Edit: I see that the testing table topper has already added at least some confirmation.

 

[Technomancer]

some buggy interaction with DKIII, in that you can activate DKIII for +14 STR then switch into Kitsune Human form and keep the bonuses.

Owlcat fucked up similar interactions since kingmaker where you could stack size increase spells which clearly state that they should work on humanoids only with polymorph spells that change you into another creature. Don't think that one is fixed in WotR still.

 

[Daidre]

For the main hero Deliverer is better. The vast majority of the enemies are Chaotic Evil, so Lawful Good Deliverer covers them all.

Lann makes pretty amazing Deliverer. He is LN so he gets extra 2d6 vs anything Chaotic. I have went through many builds for him, but 10 Deliverer/4Thug was the best for generic archery.

 

[Technomancer]

This should be confirmed by the relevant quote from the rules. Preferably with a link.

What rules, pretty much all mythic stuff comes from Owlcat so all links lead to in-game abilities.

Master shapeshifter:

Whenever you are become the target of a polymorph effect, all the physical ability scores adjustments are modified by +4.

You learned to use any shapes to the utmost.

So rules as written really don't leave much room for interpretation, should work on any polymorph marked spell whatever the form. Someone forgot to do it properly, the usual.

 

[LannTheStupid]

For the main hero Deliverer is better. The vast majority of the enemies are Chaotic Evil, so Lawful Good Deliverer covers them all.

Lann makes pretty amazing Deliverer. He is LN so he gets extra 2d6 vs anything Chaotic. I have went through many builds for him, but 10 Deliverer/4Thug was the best for generic archery.

I haven't tried Lann yet, but after reading the class progression of the Zen Archer I think I will try his pure build first. Thank you for the suggestion, though.

 

[Yosharian]

So rules as written really don't leave much room for interpretation, should work on any polymorph marked spell whatever the form. Someone forgot to do it properly, the usual.

It's more likely that Owlcat wanted to differentiate between actual Polymorph effects that give you a form, and those spells merely tagged with Polymorph.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Kitsune is unique because you are polymorphed and thus triggering the effects, but you still get to fight in human form and wield weapons etc.

You lose your bite attack though, and kitsune human form also removes all size change bonuses to things like weapon dice. For instance, if you enlarge person and human form, you'll get the changes to strength and dex, but lose weapon size scaling. It's not exactly a scenario with no downsides like you present it.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I would say that polymorph as natural shapeshifting ability and polymorph as the effect of a spell should, in fact, be differentiated. So if Owlcat Games decided to use this house rule I think that it is good and they are right.