Yosharian
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Pledged motherfuckers!
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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]
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Yosharian
Arcane
Jubilost is the best character in the game so I dunno why he'd get hatemail. Tristian is a whiny bitch. Valerie is just a non-entity, I can barely summon the motivation to write this sentence let alone give a shit about that character.
Hopefully they give us some more likeable romance options this time. Like, a pet goat or something.
Hopefully they give us some more likeable romance options this time. Like, a pet goat or something.
Summary of 2/4/2020 Twitch Stream from Owlcat Games. This will be a summary of the Q&A they did. There was too much to cover(Two hour video!), so I decided to focus on the questions and answers that people might be interested in. Even so, I might miss some details and even have made some mistakes, apologies. Time stamps will be given to each question. Stream starts here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h9m47s
The people: Host, Creative Director, and Lead Mechanics Designer.
Q)What will be the choices we take be like, and how will they affect the world?
A)
Creative Director: We liked how choices worked in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. As a result, we would like to make more choices like that, and to make them even more impactful. However, most developers will most likely say the same thing. So I will try to give some examples. But mostly from Pathfinder: Kingmaker, because any examples from Wrath of Righteous will essentially be a spoiler. I will try to be as vague as possible. In Pathfinder: Kingmaker we could do a lot of interesting things. For example, a certain event, after you confronted the trolls, will allow you to befriend some enemies and then welcome them into your kingdom. Which has an impact on the game from both the written perspective and gameplay. Gameplay wise you are given access to a special vendor with some items. In regards to mechanics, you are able to build unique buildings in the capital which affects both kingdom development and management. In terms of narrative, the alliance will pay off in different ways. In Wrath of the Righteous we are trying to make more decisions like that. Some of these decisions are tied to the mythic system. We try to shape these decisions in a way that it will show you the main story from different perspectives.
Time stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h17m16s
Q)Have you guys announced how many companions you can have at your party at once?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: Six, including you.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h22m39s
Q)How will mythic paths interact with spell casting and progression? Will it be the same as pnp, or completely different?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: It depends on the path. Some mythic paths provide you with a separate spell book. Mythic paths like Lich or Angel will allow your casting level to be increased by your mythic level. Which will mean more spells, higher level spells, and so on. Basically if you are a Lich and Wizard, you will become a more powerful wizard. A Fighter and Lich will become a spell caster. You'll cast weaker spells but you will gain more powerful spells later in the game.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h23m16s
Q)Will your choice of mythic path affect the kind of army you'll get?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: You will have unique units based on your mythic path. Also, you will have other choices to make that will affect the units you can get. For example, a Lich can possibly get good type units depending on their choices.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h24m53s
Q)Explain demon path, please.
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: Let me explain the design philosophy we used when designing the mythic system. We use a thing called a reference class. Basically this is which class a mythic path will be more similar to. For example, for Lich it is obviously Wizard. For Angel it is a mishmash between the cleric and paladin. For the demon it will be blood rager, one of its main features is demonic rage. If you are a barbarian or blood rager, while being a demon, then the demonic rage will stack. Demon will also have a unique charge that is unstoppable.
Creative Director: In terms of the story demon will have certain events that relate to the demon's rage. You can let the rage go loose, or you can try to contain it, and manage it.
Lead Mechanics Designer: Also demon will be able to get some properties of other demons. Some spells can also transform you into other demons too.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h27m43s
Q)Will there be more utility spells like time stop?
A)
Creative Director: We would to do this properly, and to do so, it would require a lot of effort. We are thinking about this now, but no promises.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h32m37s
Q)Is the army part like a RTS experience? Do you recruit units from an interface, or do you actually go out and recruit them?
A)
Creative Director: The army experience is not like a total war experience.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h34m25s
Q)Will portraits change based on which mythic path we choose?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: Your portrait will change throughout the game. You can also change your portrait to your favorite Lich.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h37m59s
Q)Will Wizards be able to scribe scrolls, and how will crafting in general be implemented in the game?
A)
Creative Director: Crafting as per pathfinder rules will not be present in the game. It wasn't present in Kingmaker and won't be present in this game. But there will be some elements of crafting, and there will also be some systems that fulfill similar goals. However, not the exact crafting from Pathfinder table top. In terms of scribing scrolls, I can not answer. I don't know what we can or can't talk about.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h38m36s
Q)Time limits and events in Kingmaker created a sense of immersion and progress on the world. Anything similar in Wrath?
A)
Creative Director: Yes and No. Time management was a necessary tool in Kingmaker to allow you the feeling of reward from building your nation. This time around we are trying to make you feel like the leader of a crusade. It's not really about time, but more about the war effort and the troops. So as a result we are trying to make it as immersive in that regard. However, we can not talk about this for now.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h40m16s
Q)Will companions or other important NPCs be a part of the strategic layer? Will we have advisor positions like in Kingmaker?
A)
Creative Director: There will be special roles. You can expect different roles like scouting and logistics.
Lead Mechanics Designer: The current ones are strategy, general, diplomat, spymaster, and arch mage.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h41m52s
Q)Questions about romances.
A)
Host: Yes, there will be romances.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h42m39s
Q)Will there be more visual customization for characters.
A)
Creative Director: We are remaking most of the armors, and robes. We are making some new ones, and everything.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h42m53s
Developers talk about classes. Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h44m7s
Lead Mechanics Designer: Pink Eye is asking about monks(THAT'S ME! LETS GO MONKS!)
Creative Director: Actually talking about Zen Archer, it is a really interesting archetype. Maybe one of the companions will be having that(WOOO HOOO!)
Lead Mechanics Designer: One step closer to a full monk party(WOOO HOOO!)
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h47m14s
The people: Host, Creative Director, and Lead Mechanics Designer.
Q)What will be the choices we take be like, and how will they affect the world?
A)
Creative Director: We liked how choices worked in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. As a result, we would like to make more choices like that, and to make them even more impactful. However, most developers will most likely say the same thing. So I will try to give some examples. But mostly from Pathfinder: Kingmaker, because any examples from Wrath of Righteous will essentially be a spoiler. I will try to be as vague as possible. In Pathfinder: Kingmaker we could do a lot of interesting things. For example, a certain event, after you confronted the trolls, will allow you to befriend some enemies and then welcome them into your kingdom. Which has an impact on the game from both the written perspective and gameplay. Gameplay wise you are given access to a special vendor with some items. In regards to mechanics, you are able to build unique buildings in the capital which affects both kingdom development and management. In terms of narrative, the alliance will pay off in different ways. In Wrath of the Righteous we are trying to make more decisions like that. Some of these decisions are tied to the mythic system. We try to shape these decisions in a way that it will show you the main story from different perspectives.
Time stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h17m16s
Q)Have you guys announced how many companions you can have at your party at once?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: Six, including you.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h22m39s
Q)How will mythic paths interact with spell casting and progression? Will it be the same as pnp, or completely different?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: It depends on the path. Some mythic paths provide you with a separate spell book. Mythic paths like Lich or Angel will allow your casting level to be increased by your mythic level. Which will mean more spells, higher level spells, and so on. Basically if you are a Lich and Wizard, you will become a more powerful wizard. A Fighter and Lich will become a spell caster. You'll cast weaker spells but you will gain more powerful spells later in the game.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h23m16s
Q)Will your choice of mythic path affect the kind of army you'll get?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: You will have unique units based on your mythic path. Also, you will have other choices to make that will affect the units you can get. For example, a Lich can possibly get good type units depending on their choices.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h24m53s
Q)Explain demon path, please.
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: Let me explain the design philosophy we used when designing the mythic system. We use a thing called a reference class. Basically this is which class a mythic path will be more similar to. For example, for Lich it is obviously Wizard. For Angel it is a mishmash between the cleric and paladin. For the demon it will be blood rager, one of its main features is demonic rage. If you are a barbarian or blood rager, while being a demon, then the demonic rage will stack. Demon will also have a unique charge that is unstoppable.
Creative Director: In terms of the story demon will have certain events that relate to the demon's rage. You can let the rage go loose, or you can try to contain it, and manage it.
Lead Mechanics Designer: Also demon will be able to get some properties of other demons. Some spells can also transform you into other demons too.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h27m43s
Q)Will there be more utility spells like time stop?
A)
Creative Director: We would to do this properly, and to do so, it would require a lot of effort. We are thinking about this now, but no promises.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h32m37s
Q)Is the army part like a RTS experience? Do you recruit units from an interface, or do you actually go out and recruit them?
A)
Creative Director: The army experience is not like a total war experience.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h34m25s
Q)Will portraits change based on which mythic path we choose?
A)
Lead Mechanics Designer: Your portrait will change throughout the game. You can also change your portrait to your favorite Lich.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h37m59s
Q)Will Wizards be able to scribe scrolls, and how will crafting in general be implemented in the game?
A)
Creative Director: Crafting as per pathfinder rules will not be present in the game. It wasn't present in Kingmaker and won't be present in this game. But there will be some elements of crafting, and there will also be some systems that fulfill similar goals. However, not the exact crafting from Pathfinder table top. In terms of scribing scrolls, I can not answer. I don't know what we can or can't talk about.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h38m36s
Q)Time limits and events in Kingmaker created a sense of immersion and progress on the world. Anything similar in Wrath?
A)
Creative Director: Yes and No. Time management was a necessary tool in Kingmaker to allow you the feeling of reward from building your nation. This time around we are trying to make you feel like the leader of a crusade. It's not really about time, but more about the war effort and the troops. So as a result we are trying to make it as immersive in that regard. However, we can not talk about this for now.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h40m16s
Q)Will companions or other important NPCs be a part of the strategic layer? Will we have advisor positions like in Kingmaker?
A)
Creative Director: There will be special roles. You can expect different roles like scouting and logistics.
Lead Mechanics Designer: The current ones are strategy, general, diplomat, spymaster, and arch mage.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h41m52s
Q)Questions about romances.
A)
Host: Yes, there will be romances.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h42m39s
Q)Will there be more visual customization for characters.
A)
Creative Director: We are remaking most of the armors, and robes. We are making some new ones, and everything.
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h42m53s
Developers talk about classes. Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h44m7s
Lead Mechanics Designer: Pink Eye is asking about monks(THAT'S ME! LETS GO MONKS!)
Creative Director: Actually talking about Zen Archer, it is a really interesting archetype. Maybe one of the companions will be having that(WOOO HOOO!)
Lead Mechanics Designer: One step closer to a full monk party(WOOO HOOO!)
Time Stamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/546778042?t=0h47m14s
Okay my brain turned to mush after the 40 minute mark. I need a break.
Tigranes
Arcane
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The incredibly amateur "cut" they put on her portrait midway through, literally looking like somebody took a photograph of a person and drew a red line with a crayon, was a nice emblem of how shallow and boring she is. She's like paladin fanfiction that Anomen would enjoy.
That said the entire tone of the game was clearly going for a kind of goofy kind of Disney fantasy crew, which is not a problem at all. Linzi is upbeat without being annoying and Nok nok is nicely executed.
Nok-Nok also has a bit of indirect story-telling: you find a couple of kukris on the same map where you fight the Goblin King: Mother's Care and Mother's Embrace. Hint at the fact that he is, indeed, Lamashtu's hero - for what he is.
And if you kill him... maybe you're the hero after all, since chances are that if you kill him, you're Chaotic Evil.
MCA fucking rocks, I swear to god. Even snippets like these are light years ahead of some other "writers".
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Yosharian
Arcane
Yeesh, no need to go that far
rotating camera
le fps drops
owlcats what are you doing stop. who needs fucking better topography in flat game with no combat mechanics to support it. bunch of hidden crates are not worth it
Russians always trying to fix whats not broken
have i ever told you the story of NWN2 The notWise
le fps drops
owlcats what are you doing stop. who needs fucking better topography in flat game with no combat mechanics to support it. bunch of hidden crates are not worth it
Russians always trying to fix whats not broken
have i ever told you the story of NWN2 The notWise
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It looks ok. Maybe I'm jaded but I'm pretty disappointed with the state of PC graphics in 2020. This is acceptable tier like most games. I can't think of any games that would go in a tier higher than that sadly.
Monstrous Bat
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5 minutes of the devs sperging about story, moral ambiguity and managing an army. 0 mention of improving the encounter design or making companions not insufferable cunts.
Granted, WotR would still be quite enjoyable if they just copied the Kingmaker formula 100%, but at this point I'm not confident it will end up a better game.
Granted, WotR would still be quite enjoyable if they just copied the Kingmaker formula 100%, but at this point I'm not confident it will end up a better game.
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The war/army stuff definitely isn't appealing to me. Sounds like they are mashing two different games together. I really just wanted another 6 man party IE type game. I'll still give it a shot but I really didn't care much for their last game.
Tigranes
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Seems like they're going to be overambitious again, trying to fit in everything in the wishlist. Demons? Sure! Kingdom? Let's mix it up again by making it army management! First game was super long and outstayed its welcome? Let's do it again! Romances? Sure! None of those things really needed to make it a better game
Still backed it though
Still backed it though
Ontopoly
Disco Hitler
How come it feels like there's a million people jerking off turn based gameplay and begging for it but the mod only had like 20 thousand downloads last time I checked?
Yosharian
Arcane
Romances are very important for those of us who will never experience true love in our real lives
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