Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Delterius]

Monk Synthesist Summoner who turns into an actual 6 fisted monster and then rides a horse.

10 fists.

Can we go deeper?

 

[Yosharian]

So those who've played Pathfinder tabletop hows the Bloodrager hybrid class?

Seems entirely dependent on how the bloodlines are implemented, if there's good bloodlines then the class might be worth taking. The main problem is that Rage isn't a great performer in RTWP

 

[Grampy_Bone]

If the horses are doing ride-by attacks, how will they handle attacks of opportunity? How will they handle combat visibility issues as you'll have to zoom out farther to handle fast-moving horses that need to cover a lot of ground beyond the melee fray? What's the point of those attacks beyond fast mobility and hard-hitting? If enemies are being knocked prone and pushed away a la the Tsunami spell, what happens when you have that happening a lot more frequently in RTwP combat full of space-sensitive AOOs and AOE spells etc? There's a shitton more chaos in the mix - and for what?

I guess I don't see it as this huge game changing thing. Currently the existing game already has charging and AoOs so adding mounts and the related skills and feats shouldn't make a huge difference. Passing by an opponent's threatened area provokes and attack but the rider can use their ride check to oppose it. Seems simple enough and all mechanics involving AoOs and threat ranges are already in the game without issues.

Charging is cool because it adds a different method of approaching and dealing damage than the usual Haste + Enlarge tank and full attack spam that dominates the meta.

Heroes of Might and Magic had charging mounted units on a small tactical scale and no one complained.

I agree that trying to model mass combat in 3.x systems is a bad move but I don't believe they said that, they said they're going to come up with their own system similar to Kingmaker with advisers and whatnot. Army Battles may just be a series of DC checks like Events in KM.

I don't want to trigger Pink Eye buuuuuuut in my tabletop games I had plenty of players use mounts on battle maps covering 100' distances or less, similar to the engagement range and map space in existing Kingmaker. They do not however make sense in dungeons so I would expect them to be outdoor only or it would get cheesy. Although note that a classic D&D dungeon hallway is supposed to be 10' wide and only fit two people side by side but Kingmaker's are generally more spacious than that, fitting four PCs in a corridor easily.

None of this is confirmed yet so it's all speculation anyway.

 

[ArchAngel]

Now a real question: Has mounted combat ever been done at all in any isometric cRPG?! [please provide examples in pictures]

Maybe my brain is broken, but it can't think of single such case

I think people are getting too hyped about this. More likely they will just add mounted armies or something or implement units/enemies that fight and die together with their horses. I doubt we get a full mounted combat rules from PnP.

 

[Efe]

from what i understood army combat is going to be like risk or dragon commander map view where you assign army tokens to regions on map

 

[rashiakas]

oh man mounts would make monks totally useless I can't wait. Only dumbasses would roll monks after mounts are available. Casting spells swinging swords all better on mounts!

Sohei wants to have a word with you.

 

[vortex]

Can you mount elves ?

 

[The Wall]

Elves make best mounts

 

[deuxhero]

I'm disapointed Warpriest isn't getting the Arsenal Chaplain archetype. Frankly I think its use as a strech goal was filler since implementation is trivial (everything it does except fervor to swift action buff and the weapon die replacements are in the game already)

So those who've played Pathfinder tabletop hows the Bloodrager hybrid class?

Pretty good. Not nearly as tanky as Barbarian (no d12 HD or Invulnerable Rager), but able to do a bit more than just smash. Problems are its archetypes are either boring, crap, dependant upon a system the game doesn't have yet (occult magic), or racial exclusive and that they really enjoy having a familiar (which they can get fairly easily via Bloodline Familiar ACF or Aberant Tumor), but Kingmaker's implementation of familiars was crap and doesn't allow them to buff you.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Can you mount elves ?

You can always mount their heads on a pike.

 

[Sarkile]

Hopefully there's a stretch goal to remove Monk from the game.

 

[The_Mask]

Hopefully there's a stretch goal to remove Monk from the game.

Roll fighter. Select unarmed. Point high in wisdom.

 

[Pink Eye]

I got mentioned a lot in this thread! Holy shit! First the developers then you guys! I AM internet famous! MONK BROS! This is our time! I am going to use ALL of MY influence and POWER to add monk related content! I will!

 

[Grauken]

So... what are the chances we get something like MotB with all this Mythic and Godlike shenanigans?

This is basically the Goldbox phase for Pathfinder, we need 20 more years for sublime games to appear

 

[Pink Eye]

Posted on the chan, but I would like to share it here too. What Mythic path are you going to choose?
https://www.strawpoll.me/19347977/

 

[Ruchy]

Glad to see War-priests in the game, had a lot of fun playing a Half-Orc War Priest in my second tabletop game.
Backed. Wasn't there supposed to be a codex fund?

 

[Pink Eye]

Glad to see War-priests in the game, had a lot of fun playing a Half-Orc War Priest in my second tabletop game.
Backed. Wasn't there supposed to be a codex fund?

Infinitron is working on it.

 

[Wunderbar]

Monk Synthesist Summoner who turns into an actual 6 fisted monster and then rides a horse.

10 fists.

Can we go deeper?

centipede mount

 

[rashiakas]

I'm disapointed Warpriest isn't getting the Arsenal Chaplain archetype. Frankly I think its use as a strech goal was filler since implementation is trivial (everything it does except fervor to swift action buff and the weapon die replacements are in the game already)

So those who've played Pathfinder tabletop hows the Bloodrager hybrid class?

Pretty good. Not nearly as tanky as Barbarian (no d12 HD or Invulnerable Rager), but able to do a bit more than just smash. Problems are its archetypes are either boring, crap, dependant upon a system the game doesn't have yet (occult magic), or racial exclusive and that they really enjoy having a familiar (which they can get fairly easily via Bloodline Familiar ACF or Aberant Tumor), but Kingmaker's implementation of familiars was crap and doesn't allow them to buff you.

In fact, Bloodrager can be even tankier with spelleater archetype and fast healer feat. Maybe they add that archetype (and feat) in Wrath.

 

[Ruchy]

I doubt highly it will be Mounted combat, I just cannot imagine it working well at all. If it is I'll eat my hat.

As anyone played an Arcanist? Seems like it's intended to be a more... flexible wizard?

 

[rashiakas]

Problem with arcanist is, that Wizards can choose Exploiter as archetype (that lets you cherrypick the best Arcanist exploits) wich makes the class redundant.

 

[Pink Eye]

I doubt highly it will be Mounted combat, I just cannot imagine it working well at all. If it is I'll eat my hat.

As anyone played an Arcanist? Seems like it's intended to be a more... flexible wizard?

Experts at the chan have summarized that it is musical combat.

 

[Ruchy]

In that case Bard Trickster first play through confirmed.

 

[purpleblob]

Musical combat sounds better than mounted combat.

I'm going for angel first then trickster then legend.

 

[Pink Eye]

I am going legend monk, then lich monk.