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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]
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You mad man, you actually did it. I love you!
deuxhero
Arcane
With Cavalier, Witch and Warpriest in, I think the following new classes are the most likely for further inclusion aside from the Alternate Classes: Arcanist, Bloodrager, Hunter, Skald, and maybe Mesmerist and Investigator. Arcanist, Bloodrager, Skald and Hunter all use recycled or simple to implement class features, in fact every single one has been implemented in a mod for Kingmaker. Mesmerist and Investigator have one small that's easily addressed.
Mesmerist would actually be fairly easy to do in turn based, but its dependence on activating its main ability out of turn hurts it. Still, it's doable by giving painful stare a slightly different implementation by making it a toggle and letting them get the d6 bonus damage (but not the initial half mesmerist or any riders they have) if they hit with an AoO after an ally has already hit the enemy and triggered painful stare that turn. As far as I know there's nothing in the game that cares about how much damage you deal in one hit (aside from DR, which painful stare already requires you deal enough damage to beat DR to use it) so the difference would be minimal. Investigator's signature ability is adding bonuses to out of combat skills a few times per day when you want to, but is doable with minimal issue by an official implementation (include a UI thingy in the dialog interface that selects using inspiration for the next picked check).
As for why I didn't include the others... The other psychic classes classes have lots of weird rules that wouldn't work in a video game or (in the case of psychic) are just a shittier sorcerer nobody wants to play as. Brawler can pull out any combat feat in the game on demand, which would choke flow for little gain (you don't have feats that are nearly as situational). Shaman is a design clusterfuck that without the ability to shift class features every rest is just a shittier Witch.. Swashbuckler and Gunslinger, in addition to being horrible/meh respectively, depend on GM fiat for the panache/grit pool. Summoner depends on adding extra limbs to a creature, which is a horrible mess in a game with non-abstract graphics (Knights of the Chalice 2 could probably get away with it).
Mesmerist would actually be fairly easy to do in turn based, but its dependence on activating its main ability out of turn hurts it. Still, it's doable by giving painful stare a slightly different implementation by making it a toggle and letting them get the d6 bonus damage (but not the initial half mesmerist or any riders they have) if they hit with an AoO after an ally has already hit the enemy and triggered painful stare that turn. As far as I know there's nothing in the game that cares about how much damage you deal in one hit (aside from DR, which painful stare already requires you deal enough damage to beat DR to use it) so the difference would be minimal. Investigator's signature ability is adding bonuses to out of combat skills a few times per day when you want to, but is doable with minimal issue by an official implementation (include a UI thingy in the dialog interface that selects using inspiration for the next picked check).
As for why I didn't include the others... The other psychic classes classes have lots of weird rules that wouldn't work in a video game or (in the case of psychic) are just a shittier sorcerer nobody wants to play as. Brawler can pull out any combat feat in the game on demand, which would choke flow for little gain (you don't have feats that are nearly as situational). Shaman is a design clusterfuck that without the ability to shift class features every rest is just a shittier Witch.. Swashbuckler and Gunslinger, in addition to being horrible/meh respectively, depend on GM fiat for the panache/grit pool. Summoner depends on adding extra limbs to a creature, which is a horrible mess in a game with non-abstract graphics (Knights of the Chalice 2 could probably get away with it).
Mortmal
Arcane
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Of course i only have one word, but my effort alone wont be enough. We need more crusaders to fight agaisnt that dumbfuckery of TB mode.
Just did some incline calculations:
1)PF:WotR had more money on first day than PF:K in THREE FIRST DAYS (combined)
2)On itz 4th ongoing day PF:WotR has as much money as PF:K had at the end of itz 24th
3)
Owlcats have entered higher league, broz
1)PF:WotR had more money on first day than PF:K in THREE FIRST DAYS (combined)
2)On itz 4th ongoing day PF:WotR has as much money as PF:K had at the end of itz 24th
3)
Owlcats have entered higher league, broz
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Yeah. I wish the developers would just come out and issue a public statement on the matter.
Grampy_Bone
Arcane
Thought they made it pretty clear they were doing RTwP only and no turn based.
>Thought they made it pretty clear
They didn't though. Their community manager left this comment:
Are they going to support Turn Based, or no?
I want a good RTWP game. NOT a bad RTWP game AND a bad TB game. I don't have faith that Owlcat Games is capable of creating both a good TB game AND a good RTWP game.
And because they belong to Putin's friend Usmanov, no EA would be able to acquire them ever. It's a win-win!
I think it is impossible to create a good TB CRPG with magic. Deadfire TB completely removes one stat, and it is not a mod, but the part of official game.
Biggest trap for any devs to avoid is adopting every community's wish. Trap is covered with good intentions and game ideas but once you fall there is no end. You have become their bitch jinn, and they expect every wish no matter how few people want it or how much itz not suited for the game, to be granted!
Devs, never be deaf to community feedback. Also never become community's bitch jinn. Most of people don't know what they want or want every game to turn into carbon copy of same game they played when they were 11. I know what I want, I want to play Owlcats cRPG
Devs, never be deaf to community feedback. Also never become community's bitch jinn. Most of people don't know what they want or want every game to turn into carbon copy of same game they played when they were 11. I know what I want, I want to play Owlcats cRPG
Also here are few of my suggestions. Letz start with mandatory turn based mode. . .
Grampy_Bone
Arcane
Biggest trap for any devs to avoid is adopting every community's wish. Trap is covered with good intentions and game ideas but once you fall there is no end. You have become their bitch jinn, and they expect every wish no matter how few people want it or how much itz not suited for the game, to be granted!
Devs, never be deaf to community feedback. Also never become community's bitch jinn. Most of people don't know what they want or want every game to turn into carbon copy of same game they played when they were 11. I know what I want, I want to play Owlcats cRPG
Also here are few of my suggestions. Letz start with mandatory turn based mode. . .
Grampy_Bone
Arcane
Hybrid is bad in general but the base system is turn-based so RTwP becomes hybrid by definition.
In any case the mod was great and I'm sure they'll make one for the sequel so no need for Owlcat to waste time on it.
Delterius
Arcane
You mean the ogre with funny voice?
Geckabor
Savant
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I bet that it's going to be the 1 million dollar stretch goal or something like that.
Man. Am I the only one here who thinks gating mod support behind social goals is ludicrous? These socials goal requirements in general are outrageous.
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Agreed. It's shady as fuck. That's the kind of thing people want to know before they spend cash.
Gyor
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The Arcanist, Bloodrager, Oracle, Witch, and Shaman are already in, I qouted the Kickstarter Campaign page below:
- "Meet a new diverse cast of characters, including ten companionsto recruit to your party and featuring multiple romance options to choose from.
- Take control of five new classes(Arcanist, Bloodrager, Shaman, Oracle, and Witch) and meet a new race–the half-undead dhampir–in addition to the previous roster from Pathfinder: Kingmaker. The number of archetypes per class has increased to five as well."
They are adding way too much shit on it. Mounted combat? Ohkaaaay. More Mystic Paths? oh dear.
All features that need to be implemented, all are complex and affect the entirety of the game. Which means that they cost a lot of dev time and testing.
All features that need to be implemented, all are complex and affect the entirety of the game. Which means that they cost a lot of dev time and testing.
There are more than 2 states of mod support. Kingmaker does not have mod support per se, but the mods are not actively prohibited (by obfuscating or encrypting the code, f.e.). Which means that mod support on the level of Skyrim SKSE is not necessary to have great mod collection.
Thonius
Arcane
1st of all yes, what was said above. Officialy Kingmaker has no support for mods, yet people made injectrors or whatever they called and we have a plethora of mods.
2nd they are cultivating SEO. Social goals - big boost in SEO, publicity and sales.
3rd they can always say wow so close we will give it anyway.
2nd they are cultivating SEO. Social goals - big boost in SEO, publicity and sales.
3rd they can always say wow so close we will give it anyway.
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