Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Delterius]

Well, Russia also has higher taxes (at ~30%, if you count all of them) compared to California (22% for a $60k salary), but yeah, I guess taking into account rent, medical insurance, etc, the difference for an employee wouldn't be that large. But for the employer it doesn't matter how much the employees spend on their rent, does it?

How productive do ya think the communal dwellers working for blizzard entertainment have been as of late?

 

[PrettyDeadman]

The first game destroyed Obsidian.

Releasing a game as buggy as P:KM was on launch would have really destroyed Obsidian though.

In a way Owlcat benefited from not having any expectations or pre-existing prejudices. No reputation for bugginess yet, so they could get away with it.

P:KM as buggy as it was did destroy Obsidian.

 

[Lawntoilet]

But for the employer it doesn't matter how much the employees spend on their rent, does it?

Absolutely it does for employees who have the skills to be mobile, like software devs. Employers need to pay them enough to attract them to the area and housing costs are definitely part of that equation.
Incidetally, from what I can tell, an average apartment in Irvine is like $2500/mo, an average apartmen in Moscow is under $700/mo.

 

[Pink Eye]

The first game destroyed Obsidian.

Releasing a game as buggy as P:KM was on launch would have really destroyed Obsidian though.

In a way Owlcat benefited from not having any expectations or pre-existing prejudices. No reputation for bugginess yet, so they could get away with it.

Interview, maybe? Possibly? I want to ask about monk content.

 

[Ontopoly]

Maybe the Russians are just better at making games. They seem pretty hardcore which is exactly what we like, right? Anybody that likes Heroes of might and magic can't be too bad.

 

[jerfdr]

But for the employer it doesn't matter how much the employees spend on their rent, does it?

Absolutely it does for employees who have the skills to be mobile, like software devs. Employers need to pay them enough to attract them to the area and housing costs are definitely part of that equation.
Incidetally, from what I can tell, an average apartment in Irvine is like $2500/mo, an average apartmen in Moscow is under $700/mo.

You're right, but I was speaking relative to what Kickstarter money can give them taking into account the existing salaries they have, while what you're saying is something that would affect the median salary. And apparently the people in gamedev are happy enough to live in California on a $60k salary with a $2,5k/mo rent, otherwise the median salary would have risen.

One further note to add to 30% vs 22% taxes in Russia vs California is that Russian taxes already include the obligatory medical insurance (which is somewhat crappy considering the general level of healthcare in Russia, but still); an ambulance would take you to a hospital for free in all cases, and the (crappy) hospital treatment would also be free for you.

 

[Pink Eye]

I have VERY pressing questions about monks.
>How will monk/lich work?
>What about swarms/monk?
>What kind of monk archetypes will they be adding?
>Are they going to be improving monk animations? Part of the fun of these games is watching your monk destroy shit with their fists and kicks.
>Are they going to be improving amulet progression for monks? When I first played Kingmaker on release, I was stuck with amulet of mighty fists +1 for most of the game.
>What about monk robes? Some of the robes for monks looked poo poo.

I got more questions, but that's what comes to my mind at the moment.

 

[Pink Eye]

Also bugs. They really need to fix the bugs for monks

 

[Ontopoly]

Ask them if they're going to make Monk weapons more viable. I want to do a full run through of the teenage mutant Ninja turtles using monks. I found a single unenchanted nunchuck on my playthrough. Is there an archetype that focuses on Monk weapons because there should be.

 

[Pink Eye]

Ask them if they're going to make Monk weapons more viable. I want to do a full run through of the teenage mutant Ninja turtles using monks. I found a single unenchanted nunchuck on my playthrough. Is there an archetype that focuses on Monk weapons because there should be.

Don't worry fellow monk bro. I WILL continue my crusade until our monk concerns get addressed.

 

[Ontopoly]

Don't worry fellow monk bro. I WILL continue my crusade until our monk concerns get addressed.

I'm more of a Druid bro but I can see the appeal of punching things.

 

[Thonius]

Well, in Moscow the median gamedev salary is ~$27,000/year before tax, while in California it's at least $60,000/year, afaik. So yeah, you need to multuply Owlcats' numbers at least by 2 to get numbers that would be relevant for Obsidian.

The difference shrinks to 500 dollars a year after rent.

Well, Russia also has higher taxes (at ~29% for a $27k salary) compared to California (~22% for a $60k salary), but yeah, I guess taking into account rent, medical insurance, etc, the difference for an employee wouldn't be that large. But for the employer it doesn't matter how much the employees spend on their rent, does it?

Where are you getting those numbers? 13% for residents 30% for non residents.

 

[Pink Eye]

 

[jerfdr]

Where are you getting those numbers? 13% for residents 30% for non residents.

It's tricky. 13% is just what you see in the paycheck. But your employer has to also pay 22% (of the salary you see in your paycheck) to the pension fund, 2.9% to the social fund and 5.9% for the obligatory medical insurance. All this stuff (together with that 13% tax you've mentioned) amounts to ~30% of the sum your employer had set aside for your salary before paying any taxes on your behalf.

 

[Lawntoilet]

But for the employer it doesn't matter how much the employees spend on their rent, does it?

Absolutely it does for employees who have the skills to be mobile, like software devs. Employers need to pay them enough to attract them to the area and housing costs are definitely part of that equation.
Incidetally, from what I can tell, an average apartment in Irvine is like $2500/mo, an average apartmen in Moscow is under $700/mo.

You're right, but I was speaking relative to what Kickstarter money can give them taking into account the existing salaries they have, while what you're saying is something that would affect the median salary. And apparently the people in gamedev are happy enough to live in California on a $60k salary with a $2,5k/mo rent, otherwise the median salary would have risen.

One further note to add to 29% vs 22% taxes in Russia vs California is that Russian taxes already include the obligatory medical insurance (which is somewhat crappy considering the general level of healthcare in Russia, but still); an ambulance would take you to a hospital for free in all cases, and the (crappy) hospital treatment would also be free for you.

Yes, I see we were talking about different calculations having to do with salary.
I've found that West Coast residents in general seem to have a higher tolerance for being house-poor, which is fair enough I suppose since the scenery's pretty nice.

 

[ChildInTime]

So, how do you think will the romance work with the lich? I can even see some ways for the Swarm-thing to make it, but being a skeleton would prevent even that.

 

[Thonius]

You're surely asking for a friend right? Anyhow, I think polymoprh self will work, right? Or something similar.

 

[Tytus]

So, how do you think will the romance work with the lich? I can even see some ways for the Swarm-thing to make it, but being a skeleton would prevent even that.

He keeps his dong in a jar, when time comes he uses necromancy to reattach it and anime it for the duration of the sexual encounter. Then puts it back into the jar. Also one of the romance quest storyline would be getting that jar back because it was stolen by your enemies who want turn it into a Phylactery to kill you.

 

[Reinhardt]

So, how do you think will the romance work with the lich? I can even see some ways for the Swarm-thing to make it, but being a skeleton would prevent even that.

Morte.

 

[Lawntoilet]

Also bugs. They really need to fix the bugs for monks

No I think the Swarm Mystic Path will probably work OK for Monks.

 

[ga♥]

Do you think a 2 milion raising is achievable?

 

[Tytus]

Do you think a 2 milion raising is achievable?

1.5 mln max. In my opinion.
The game is more on the level of popularity of the Shadowrun games from Harebrain Schemes.

 

[jerfdr]

Do you think a 2 milion raising is achievable?

Probably. For now this current Kickstarter goes about twice as fast as Kingmaker's, and that one grossed $0.9M. So something fairly close to $2M could be achievable.

https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/#chart-daily
https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker/#chart-daily

 

[ChildInTime]

Do you think a 2 milion raising is achievable?

Depends on their stretch goals and thirst for some features like turn based combat or some such.

 

[Lacrymas]

I suspect Owlcat know what fans of RPGs actually want and are not clueless like Obsidian and especially Sawyer. By clueless, I mean it in the most literal way possible, they just don't know why people appreciate RPGs and it shows, oh boy, does it show.