Interview PC users won't be getting Witcher DLC

[Arcanoix]

I love how for the past few months all the Witcher fanbois were screaming "FOR FREE!" "FOR FREE!" like a developer ever charged for a patch yet the minute CD Projekt announce they're releasing the superior version of the game and you have to pay for it again... Oh, well, uhhh, they deserve the money! They spent a lot on the game so we should just hand over them our bank account details!

Actually through the website you could download the update so long as your game was registered, in all honesty though I can't really comment on rather or not you could download it for free because I bought the EE thanks to a ton of errors trying to register my D2D copy. Although I've yet to play passed the first chapter, the games fine to me but it's obvious they rushed the VO's, and it's not like it's "OMG INNOVATIVE", it's just a bunch of things that should have been implemented from the start. However - CDP:R went with Atari, what do you expect? I compare them to the likes of EA.

 

[Al3xand3r]

was, extremely selective quoting and fake arguing is extremely selective quoting and fake arguing

Arcanoix did you try contacting them to resolve the issue? I had a problem with the copy I bought from Atari's online thing as it didn't include the code you use to register, or whatever it was, but all it took was an e-mail or two to get one. They didn't even really ask for any proof that I owned the game, they were that helpful. Though perhaps I had already included my order number in the e-mail, I forget.

 

[Arcanoix]

@skyway: wrong, it was atari who made english VO and fucked up, polish version is very nice.

also, maybe cdp is as bad as you say, but at least they aren't as shitty as troika who throw at their customers piles of bugs and flows that they called rpgs and didn't even care to try and patch them. troika hated their customers so much that they choose to go bankrupt instead of providing some support.

so good that they are no more.

POPCORN, GETCHA POPCORN....

EDIT : Al3xand3r - I did have an inquiry in but they never replied.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

I can't believe some of you even whine about the enhanced edition. It's FUCKING FREE

No it's not. The Real Enhanced Edition™ is only coming out on consoles. That means if you've already bought the PC version, you'll have to pay for it again. Even if all those improvements are included in The Witcher 2 as some have speculated, then it means you're still paying again to get them and in that case missing out on having them in the first game anyway. Basically, if you bought the PC version, you bought the Dodgy Third Rate Edition.

Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean that patch they released for the PC version? Show me a game developer that made you pay for a patch. Ever. By the way, most also don't force you to register in order to download the patch. While we're here, show me one that used draconian DRM that requires you to re-install Windows as a solution. You'll note these are the kinds of developers that aren't worthy of praise.

You'd think CD Projekt knew that given the way they hyped GoG as "DRM free" and not requiring you to jump through hoops to get a game installed and working. Seems they have different rules when it comes to their own games.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

"By the way, most also don't force you to register in order to download the patch."

Stardock. It's either registering or some sort of DRM, not sure, either way someone who pirated the game would have a hard time getting the patch.

"Even if all those improvements are included in The Witcher 2 as some have speculated, then it means you're still paying again to get them and in that case missing out on having them in the first game anyway."

Oh no! A sequel will improve on elements of the original! Why the fuck did I pay for the original then?

 

[Forest Dweller]

I can't believe some of you even whine about the enhanced edition. It's FUCKING FREE

No it's not. The Real Enhanced Edition™ is only coming out on consoles. That means if you've already bought the PC version, you'll have to pay for it again. Even if all those improvements are included in The Witcher 2 as some have speculated, then it means you're still paying again to get them and in that case missing out on having them in the first game anyway. Basically, if you bought the PC version, you bought the Dodgy Third Rate Edition.

Come now, you know it won't really be better, just consolized. To consoletards, perhaps, it will better, but for us it will be dumbed down. They're just saying shit because they know cosole players are stupid and will eat that shit like it's grandma's eggs. And better graphics? My ass.

While we're here, show me one that used draconian DRM that requires you to re-install Windows as a solution.

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously? That happened to you? I suppose if it really did happen, and that WAS a result of installing the EE, then you would have a good reason to bitch. Even if true, though, you're in the minority.

 

[Silellak]

I bought a 2007 model of a car and the 2009 model is better. Whine.

The only people who care about the console version being 'better' are the ones who didn't think they got their money's worth out of the Witcher in the first place. I paid for a game I enjoyed. I feel it was worth the price, and much better than most other game releases of the last few years. Why do I care that a 'better' version is coming out 2 years later for $10 more?

That's why "fanboys" (read: anyone who actually liked the Witcher) aren't bitching. They already got a product they liked. You didn't like the original product, so the fact you paid for it and a supposedly better version is coming out bothers you. I can see why, but it's facetious to assume that people aren't complaining just because they are CDP fanboys. People who liked the Witcher the first time around don't really HAVE any reason to complain. They paid for a product they enjoyed. The fact a 'better' version of that product is coming out 2 years later is irrelevant.

For the record, I do wish companies would adopt a "buy one version, buy them all" policy. It is ridiculous that if I purchase a game for one platform, I can't play the same game on a different platform without paying the full price a second time. However, that is how the game industry in general has worked and will likely always work, so I can't exactly get too upset at CDP for doing the same thing. It's just a personal pipe-dream of mine.

 

[Al3xand3r]

People just love doing selective quoting to pretend they're responding to others, when really all they do is lead a conversation in circles. I've already addressed all the points of everybody who pretends to respond to me in my original post. Just read all of it, folks, or don't pretend to respond at all.

So, yes underwhoever, enhanced edition is free, and again, i'm sure most of you would hate the witcher (more?) if it had a more arcadey combat system with even less impact of the character's statistics like the console version will have. Yet somehow now you approve of such features as better and whine you aren't getting them for free. You are fucking retarded idiots. If the game was on PC as it will be on console you'd dismiss it even sooner. Heck, not to mention you seem to hate the game and everything it stands for, so why even bother caring about a console version at all then? It's just another game u don't have to waste time on, what difference does a new platform make to you?

And to the other random who said that all patches are free, uh, I'm sorry but EE is far from a mere patch, the voice work alone was just extra effort they did for free with no benefit to themselves, and the game was already getting rave reviews as it was so really they had no reason to do even the slightest patch. Yeah, they wanted to put the Enhanced Edition out on retail. So? They could have just done that anyway, "Witcher GOTY Edition" and include the extra quests released and be done with it. And yet they did tenfold what a mere patch usually is. And you complain about it? I never said other companies don't provide free stuff, I merely asked, why complain about something you got for free? Saying "others do it for free too, you know" doesn't exactly justify it, you know.

Here we go, circles are fun fun fun. Wiiiiiiiii.

 

[Phil Istine]

Come now, you know it won't really be better, just consolized. To consoletards, perhaps, it will better, but for us it will be dumbed down. They're just saying shit because they know cosole players are stupid and will eat that shit like it's grandma's eggs. And better graphics? My ass.

I also believe this.

That's just the thing, asshelmet. TW is C&C lite. It's more of a singleplayer mmo than a crpg. If you drop the combat, what you're left with can't be called a game. It'd be an improvement in Arcanum or Bloodlines, but there's nothing else in TW besides combat and combat-related tasks.

The Witcher. Monster Slayer. What exactly did you expect?

 

[RainSong]

Bloodlines

Yes, because there sure was alot of adventuring and puzzles done in Bloodlines. Running between several flagged npc's, triggering them unintelligently and wading through compulsory combat sections in between. About as deep as a glass of water. The side dish was... there wasn't any... YEEHAW. So remove combat, and you're left with... running between flagged npc's, and nothing else.

also, fortunately for us cdp is a company that puts great effort so the elements in their products are really well thought out (via journal, implementation of c&c etc) thats why when I said that I proposed an rpg with minimum to no combat I belived they could pull it off (in a sequell you diarrhoea slurping maggot) if they decided to do it. on the other hand we have troika who is biting the dust cause they didn't want to make enhanced editions.

"You guys have too high standards, and that makes me mad!"

double standards don't mean ''high'', check your sources.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

I can't believe some of you even whine about the enhanced edition. It's FUCKING FREE

No it's not. The Real Enhanced Edition™ is only coming out on consoles. That means if you've already bought the PC version, you'll have to pay for it again. Even if all those improvements are included in The Witcher 2 as some have speculated, then it means you're still paying again to get them and in that case missing out on having them in the first game anyway. Basically, if you bought the PC version, you bought the Dodgy Third Rate Edition.

Come now, you know it won't really be better, just consolized.

This is what Polish Witcher Fanbois tell themselves so they can sleep easier at night. Yes, the console version will suck even more than the PC one did!

To consoletards, perhaps, it will better, but for us it will be dumbed down. They're just saying shit because they know cosole players are stupid and will eat that shit like it's grandma's eggs.

Well, all the Fanbois bought the "Enhanced Edition" bullshit hook, line and sinker (it's not just a patch!!). Just see Al3xand3r's reply for an example of that (and then ask yourself two questions: 1. Why is it called patch 1.4? 2. How come a lot of the things it does are actually bug fixes?). Seems CD Projekt have a track record with these things. Hype + Bullshit + Double Standards = Your standard everyday game development company.

While we're here, show me one that used draconian DRM that requires you to re-install Windows as a solution.

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously?

You know, if you're gonna be a fan, you should keep up with these things. It was CD Projekt's tech support answer for a while to a known problem with the EE installation. It's believed to stem from the TAGES DRM.

... and remember, these are the guys who want you to enjoy DRM and hassle free games! They mean other people's DRM and hassle free games, obviously.

I bought a 2007 model of a car and the 2009 model is better. Whine.

I bought a 2007 model of a car and it violated seventeen safety regulations and caught on fire whenever you tried to fill it up. They did a product recall with the slogan "Our awesome car becomes even more awesomer!" and the Engineers did a round of interviews where they said things like "One of our proudest achievements I think, and the thing that makes me happiest, is that the car doesn't try to kill you every time you start it".

The only people who care about the console version being 'better' are the ones who didn't think they got their money's worth out of the Witcher in the first place.

You have a point. Clearly, I and others had issues with the game that we wanted to see fixed but to hear a version is coming out that will potentially address a number of them, after having to put up with the hypola that was the 1.4 patch, pisses me off. I'm not going to be grateful to them for fixing a bunch of errors that should've been fixed on day one. And then announcing that oh by the way, the console version will actually address all these issues and then some. There's your real Enhanced Edition... or you know, you can kid yourself that the game you love so much is going to suck.

I can see why, but it's facetious to assume that people aren't complaining just because they are CDP fanboys.

Except for the fact that all those people are screaming "FREE PATCH!" every chance they get. "Dude, they released a FREE patch! You should be grateful!". Grateful for what? Because I'm one of those who saw loading times so bad in the original I thought "fuck this for a joke" and stopped playing after having only installed it? This is not the kind of stuff gamers should be grateful for. Games should work on day one and be the best they can be, not need to be completely re-written and re-worked from the ground up. If you're doing that, you're doing it wrong.

There will now be two quite significantly different versions of The Witcher in existence. How do you think that's going to play out? Which version of combat do you think will end up in The Witcher 2? I can tell you now, it'll be the one from the version that sold more copies and I have a feeling that'll be the console version. I sincerely doubt CD Projekt will re-create any of their games from scratch for the PC.

A bunch of supposedly Anti-DRM, PC loving guys have shown they're really only interested in the sales you get from a console.

 

[St. Toxic]

The Witcher. Monster Slayer. What exactly did you expect?

Pretty much what I got. Now ask RainSong what he expected, and what he got, since that was a reply to him and you quoted it way out of its context.

 

[made]

At least we already know what the Codex' "Best RPG of 2009 (and possibly 2010 if there's an EE)" will be.

 

[St. Toxic]

Yes, because there sure was alot of adventuring and puzzles done in Bloodlines.

Well, there were non-combative skills for starters, and tasks to go with those skills. OW SNAP!

also, fortunately for us cdp is a company that puts great effort so the elements in their products are really well thought out (via journal, implementation of c&c etc)

The journal entries were pretty interesting and well done, and worthy of recognition; I'll agree with you there. But the "implentation of c&c etc" was shallow tripe, and the meat and potatoes was mindnumbing combat and an ongoing hike between lackluster npc spills. Dink Smallwood takes a righteous piss on TW.

thats why when I said that I proposed an rpg with minimum to no combat I belived they could pull it off (in a sequell you diarrhoea slurping maggot) if they decided to do it.

And I said that judging by their work so far, TW2 would end up looking like a ram stress-test application and nothing more.

on the other hand we have troika who is biting the dust cause they didn't want to make enhanced editions.

Yeah, what were they thinking?

double standards don't mean ''high'', check your sources.

I never said anything about "double standards". Check your sources.

 

[RainSong]

The Witcher. Monster Slayer. What exactly did you expect?

Pretty much what I got. Now ask RainSong what he expected, and what he got, since that was a reply to him and you quoted it way out of its context.

I got what I've expected, a solid game that didn't butcher the setting of great books.

Yes, because there sure was alot of adventuring and puzzles done in Bloodlines.

Well, there were non-combative skills for starters, and tasks to go with those skills. OW SNAP!

since when do you need any skills to solve puzzles? also, bad cdp, bad, why didn't you butcher the setting and gave us witchers who are thieves-plumbers who save princesses from talkative grannies.

also, fortunately for us cdp is a company that puts great effort so the elements in their products are really well thought out (via journal, implementation of c&c etc)

The journal entries were pretty interesting and well done, and worthy of recognition; I'll agree with you there. But the "implentation of c&c etc" was shallow tripe, and

the sheer idea of delayed consequences is fuckin brilliant and should be implemented in each and every crpg from now.

 

[MetalCraze]

At least we already know what the Codex' "Best RPG of 2009 (and possibly 2010 if there's an EE)" will be.

All that CDP needs to do to achieve that is to release another patch in 2009.

 

[Silellak]

I bought a 2007 model of a car and it violated seventeen safety regulations and caught on fire whenever you tried to fill it up. They did a product recall with the slogan "Our awesome car becomes even more awesomer!" and the Engineers did a round of interviews where they said things like "One of our proudest achievements I think, and the thing that makes me happiest, is that the car doesn't try to kill you every time you start it".

Again, your interpretation of the car metaphor will differ because of your opinion of the game. I don't consider it akin to buying a broken car, since I never considered the game broken.

It is worth mentioning, however, that I didn't grab the game on release (my computer at the time wouldn't handle it), so the game was patched up to 1.2 before I ever played it. This likely improved my initial impression of the game. Though, despite being a "Game for Windows", it insisted on constantly crashing when I tried to run it in Windows Vista. This was inexcusable, I agree, but it's testament to how much I enjoyed the game that I didn't decide to just break the DVD and move on.

You have a point. Clearly, I and others had issues with the game that we wanted to see fixed but to hear a version is coming out that will potentially address a number of them, after having to put up with the hypola that was the 1.4 patch, pisses me off. I'm not going to be grateful to them for fixing a bunch of errors that should've been fixed on day one. And then announcing that oh by the way, the console version will actually address all these issues and then some. There's your real Enhanced Edition... or you know, you can kid yourself that the game you love so much is going to suck.

I agree that games should be released issue-free from day 1. However, this is a problem with game development in general, not with CDP in particular. RPGs seem particularly prone to this, judging by Troika games and the fact the NWN2 engine still seems to use about double the resources it needs to.

Except for the fact that all those people are screaming "FREE PATCH!" every chance they get. "Dude, they released a FREE patch! You should be grateful!". Grateful for what? Because I'm one of those who saw loading times so bad in the original I thought "fuck this for a joke" and stopped playing after having only installed it? This is not the kind of stuff gamers should be grateful for. Games should work on day one and be the best they can be, not need to be completely re-written and re-worked from the ground up. If you're doing that, you're doing it wrong.

There will now be two quite significantly different versions of The Witcher in existence. How do you think that's going to play out? Which version of combat do you think will end up in The Witcher 2? I can tell you now, it'll be the one from the version that sold more copies and I have a feeling that'll be the console version. I sincerely doubt CD Projekt will re-create any of their games from scratch for the PC.

A bunch of supposedly Anti-DRM, PC loving guys have shown they're really only interested in the sales you get from a console.

The difference, of course, is that there are those of us who didn't consider it "just a patch". My praise, however, was based around the fact that the product was getting substantial post-release support - more than most modern games do. The fact it was "free" shouldn't be hyped because, well, it's expected. There aren't nearly enough changes in it - even with the new script, voice-overs, animation, etc. - to justify charging for it. So they don't deserve praise for making it "free", I agree.

They do deserve some praise, however, for giving their product more post-release love than most developers are willing to. For instance, I've yet to see a "fan-release" patch for the Witcher, because one simply hasn't been necessary. Was the hype stupid? Sure. Did I think the catchphrase "the best reaches perfection" was absurd and cocky? Oh yeah. Did this change the fact I was impressed by the level of support the Witcher was continuing to get? Nope. Sure, you can argue that "well the game was broken and needed to be fixed and they shouldn't get praise for just fixing what was broken", but I think the re-done script, voice-overs, new animations, etc. went a little beyond "fixing what was broken". You may disagree.

I also think it's a false assumption that the console version will be what the Witcher 2 is based on because of sales. Is it a possibility? Oh, certainly. But I imagine the PC sequel is already been in development for awhile now, and they won't change all that much based on the sales of the Witcher on consoles. However, it IS quite possible that many of the console-like features of the Witcher port are already in the Witcher 2, and that both the PC and console versions will be released at the same time, but I just don't think the reason will be the success of the console port.