KickStarter Phoenix Point - the new game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

[Mustawd]

In which way?

You said it yuoorself (or amybe that was someone else a few dozen pages back?), the systems are still being worked on and developed. The complexity has probably grown more than they initially estimated for.

 

[Shog-goth]

The complexity has probably grown more than they initially estimated for.

Bigger game = more features. Which ones?

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Good. Pretty clear from the backer build that PP needs a lotta work to be everything I dream it could be.

Yeah - take the time to make it right.

 

[Mustawd]

Bigger game = more features.

That doesn't necessarily mean that to me.

 

[Shog-goth]

That doesn't necessarily mean that to me.

What does it mean, then? I don't see any "bigger" game, the backer build is - at best - 5% of the originally planned game and there is nothing "new", "better" or more "complex" than that.

 

[Mazisky]

In June 2019 we will have already a 2nd Xcom 2 expansion and probably an Xcom 3 announce. Cause that date is E3 2019.
Non to mention plenty of turn based games that can be released\announced within that date. (Forged of blood, Fort triumph, the Iron oath and many others).

They need to hurry or make a really great game because the competitors are growing.

UnstableVoltage i think a priority should be increasing the environment variety, maybe adding new biomes, even through dlcs.

 

[ArchAngel]

This news was expected. I don't mind waiting. My backlog is big and there are multiple games I want to play in near future.

 

[Galdred]

In June 2019 we will have already a 2nd Xcom 2 expansion and probably an Xcom 3 announce. Cause that date is E3 2019.
Non to mention plenty of turn based games that can be released\announced within that date. (Forged of blood, Fort triumph, the Iron oath and many others).

They need to hurry or make a really great game because the competitors are growing.

UnstableVoltage i think a priority should be increasing the environment variety, maybe adding new biomes, even through dlcs.

Actually, I think rushing in to arrive before competitors would be a bad move. It is much better to delay and get a better game out.
There is just a ton of steam games cranked out every day now. Quality is the only thing that can make one stand out.

 

[Israfael]

Considering the current pace of development, June 2019 seems to be somewhat optimistic date - we still have no idea about the geoscape (and if it lives through several iterations, they might get late or cut very close to the deadline), mutation system(that would surely require some rounds of tweaking to get it right), inventory and other paraphernalia.

 

[PanteraNera]

Totally not unexpected.

It is hard to tell, with an increasing team, but the old development pace seemed very slow (how long it took them to do the PC Gamer Weekender build, the minor changes between the PC Gamer Weekender end EGX Rezzed build and again the minor changes between EGX Rezzed and Backer Build One).

If they go by that pace, June 2019 is very unrealistic.

 

[Morgoth]

Good decision. This is shaping up to be a better nuXCOM than nuXCOM.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Isn't June considered to be bad time to release game because various sales that happen usually at the same time?

So August or September are more likely.

 

[norolim]

June is also E3 time, which is probably the worst time to release a game. I expect another delay announcement in 2019.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Time to check how it runs on "potato" -setting.

 

[Mustawd]

That doesn't necessarily mean that to me.

What does it mean, then? I don't see any "bigger" game, the backer build is - at best - 5% of the originally planned game and there is nothing "new", "better" or more "complex" than that.

Well I don't really expect a breakdown of everything they're having issues with development-wise. I think most ITT were expecting this to get delayed due to a lot of systems not in place already. For me, it's less about new things and more about how they interplay to make the game fun. Obviously they're still struggling with that as we haven't even seen A.) The geoscape B.) Other factions; Even Phoenix project, which is the main faction C.) Other maps besides the demo.

All that tells me they're still tinkering with systems as well as with just regular gamedev.

But sure. More specificity would be nice.

 

[Grotesque]

 

[Big Wrangle]

A flexible soldier progression sound nice, but I don't think the skills should be randomised at all.

 

[agris]

Yeah done right it would be amazing, but not random. The physical stats of solders should be random, and we should allocate skills based on those stats. nuCom-style randomness is a shit mechanic imo.

 

[Mustawd]

nuCom-style randomness is a shit mechanic imo.

Allocating stats at random was OG X-com though. Are you referring to class assignment in nuXCOM?

 

[Israfael]

So many decliners at their forums

 

[Israfael]

You forgot to mention that classes also accomplish a couple more things:

~ limiting the soldier customization
~ reducing skill sets into a pre-defined templates
~ making the whole experience very game-y. “No, your sniper has no idea how to operate an assault rifle even if his life depends on it. No, your ranger will not touch a shotty with a ten foot pole. Because classes”.

Al the “issues” you listed are only problems for someone who grabs a tactical combat game and expects to be immediately good at it for no reason. Soldier customization and squad setup are not something you should take lightly or expect to be a matter of seconds to deal with as it is crucial part of a squad-based tactical combat game.

And “development milestones”, really? You expect XCom players to have attention span so short to require fancy titles and icons popping up regularly to be able to understand that a particular soldier is now better at what player wants them to be good at? Are we even talking about the same game here?

Which of you posted this?

 

[Alienman]

Fuck, most people want classes.

At this point though I would rather have them have a clear vision about their game instead of asking "us".

 

[HansDampf]

agris was right after all.

 

[Mustawd]

Fuck, most people want classes.

At this point though I would rather have them have a clear vision about their game instead of asking "us".

I personally dislike classes in muh X-com. It was one of the things I actively disliked about XCOM.

 

[Alienman]

agris was right after all.

Right about?