Pillars is 10/10 GOTY would back again and anyone who disagrees is an edgelord or burnout

[oneliner]

Did the cat die?

No but he was born souless

 

[cvv]

"Also, I think the most striking parallel that I can put here is that 15 years ago when you killed a dragon in Baldur’s Gate 2, you could take its scale and craft yourself a bitchin’ suit of armour that would outshine most other ones in the game. In PoE, you can use the scale to add yourself a +2 damage reduction to your generic plate mail..."

This single paragraph from Roxor's review told me everything I needed to know about this game.

Lol, Josh Sawyer. Just...lol.

 

[Shevek]

That paragraph is fairly shit though. Since you can also add DR to a unique piece of armor you have already found and not simply to generic platemail.

 

[cvv]

That paragraph is fairly shit though. Since you can also add DR to a unique piece of armor you have already found and not simply to generic platemail.

Not sure if trolling. If yes then

 

[Shevek]

No, not trolling. I think BG2 would have been much cooler with more upgradable equipment. It might have been nice to keep upgrading some of those +2 weapons you got, for example, so they could hit enemies that could only be hit by +3 weapons etc. The same could be said for armor. Its one of the better features in PoE and it works fairly well.

 

[Seari]

That paragraph is fairly shit though. Since you can also add DR to a unique piece of armor you have already found and not simply to generic platemail.

Not sure if trolling. If yes then

He isn't trolling, he is genuinely retarded.

 

[Immortal]

ITT:

Oh you have a different opinion then me? Clearly Edge-Lord.. also I found these atheist undertones very original. I am atheist so I find things that support my belief to be naturally better writing and more original.

Spoiler

pan·der
ˈpandər/
verb
gerund or present participle: pandering
gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire, need, or habit or a person with such a desire, etc.).
"newspapers are pandering to people's baser instincts"
synonyms: indulge, gratify, satisfy, cater to, give in to, accommodate, comply with
"David was always there to pander to her every whim"

 

[Tigranes]

"Anyone who loves PoE unquestionably is a Fanboy."

Duh. Anyone who loves anything unquestionably is a fanboy.

 

[Azeot]

you lost me at "compelling, memorable, and really well voiced antagonist". After that line, the entire post became tl;dr

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

He actually was pretty well voiced.

 

[Atchodas]

"Anyone who loves PoE unquestionably is a Fanboy."

Duh. Anyone who loves anything unquestionably is a fanboy.

talking about fanboys you are one of the worst

 

[Gregz]

What kind of bullshit thread is this?

No idea, but I'm glad to see the word 'edgelord' being introduced into the Codex lexicon.

 

[ArchAngel]

And... I loved the way the game was an obvious parable of the stuff that's going on in our world right now. Also the way nobody's appeared to pick up on it, despite its obviousness.

What exactly do you mean by that, care to elaborate a bit on this point?

There's a lot of stuff, but I was thinking mostly about religion and science/technology in society and politics. Animancy and the animancers are a pretty obvious parallel for secularists and scientists; religions are religions. While the writers take a pretty fucking big stand on the matter

Spoiler

humans made gods, not the other way around

the reasons people follow gods, or not, and the consequences of following them, or not, are presented in nuanced, relatable ways.

You do know that these questions have been asked and debated upon since humans first found faith?
It is not something "that's going on in our world right now". What were you smoking while playing PoE?

Your review read like something made by a person that spent most life playing Elder Scroll games and than played hist first real RPG.

 

[Hatred]

Prime Junta I wish I was like you. Easily amused.

 

[Hatred]

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[Prime Junta]

You do know that these questions have been asked and debated upon since humans first found faith?
It is not something "that's going on in our world right now".

Of course.

In fantasy cRPG's though people follow gods because they give them badass spells, by Clangeddin's beard. Not because they feel like they need redemption. Nor do they struggle with their faith, fear that they've lost their god's favor, or have been betrayed by their god and found another. Evil gods are evil because they're evil, not because they embody the silent, powerless rage of the enslaved. And so on.

As to "going on right now," the peculiar science/religion fight going on the US is highly contemporary. Most of Europe is already secular and that sort of thing is in the fringes; for most of history in most places, the converse was true. So yeah it is contemporary.

Your review of my review read like a kid's who wants too hard to fit in with the edgy crowd. You're welcome.

 

[Stompa]

In fantasy cRPG's though people follow gods because they give them badass spells

Not really. If this is a dig at D&D-related settings, look up what Wall of Faithless is. TES, as an example of another big fantasy setting, doesn't even have priestly magic, it's all in the learning, aedra and daedra give minor boons at best.

 

[Prime Junta]

In fantasy cRPG's though people follow gods because they give them badass spells

Not really. If this is a dig at D&D-related settings, look up what Wall of Faithless is. TES, as an example of another big fantasy setting, doesn't even have priestly magic, it's all in the learning, aedra and daedra give minor boons at best.

What's the Wall of the Faithless or a game that doesn't even feature religion got to do with anything?

 

[Stompa]

game that doesn't even feature religion

I'm done here.

 

[Angthoron]

Oh dear(ŵyd).

 

[Prime Junta]

What, it does feature religion? I've only played Morrowind and that ages ago, not a TES fan so I don't know jack shit about its lore.

If it's relevant, explain and how.

The claims I am making are that

(1) P:E features believable religions and deities people adhere to, follow, and struggle with for understandable, human reasons, and
(2) by far most cRPG's do not

Please explain the relevance of the Wall of the Faithless of whether TES features priestly magic or not to these points.

I am willing to retract my dig that "in most cRPG's people follow gods because they give them spells." I'll reframe that as "in most cRPG's people follow gods just because they do."

 

[Jools]

Sup Irenaeus.

 

[ArchAngel]

You do know that these questions have been asked and debated upon since humans first found faith?
It is not something "that's going on in our world right now".

Of course.

In fantasy cRPG's though people follow gods because they give them badass spells, by Clangeddin's beard. Not because they feel like they need redemption. Nor do they struggle with their faith, fear that they've lost their god's favor, or have been betrayed by their god and found another. Evil gods are evil because they're evil, not because they embody the silent, powerless rage of the enslaved. And so on.

As to "going on right now," the peculiar science/religion fight going on the US is highly contemporary. Most of Europe is already secular and that sort of thing is in the fringes; for most of history in most places, the converse was true. So yeah it is contemporary.

Your review of my review read like a kid's who wants too hard to fit in with the edgy crowd. You're welcome.

WTF? No they don't.
With this mind of yours, it is not wonder you give 10/10 to PoE.

And I don't need to fit into edgy crowd to see a retard.

 

[Stompa]

What, it does feature religion? I've only played Morrowind and that ages ago, not a TES fan so I don't know jack shit about its lore.

The notion that a game that features at least two different religions (Tribunal and Nine Divines worship), with one of them having a big amount of religious text avaiable, along with a bunch of smaller cults (individual daedra and ancestor worship) is pants-on-head retardation.

P:E features believable religions and deities people adhere to, follow, and struggle with for understandable, human reasons

For the first part, no, it doesn't. The gods in PoE are standard fantasy fare, they don't differ in any way from what D&D or whatever else fantasy setting there is. In fact, there's even less reason to follow them because there's no adequate punishment for not doing so, souls will reincarnate while slowly grinding to dust anyway (that is known to people of the world, going by Rymgrand's religion and Sagani's quest). At the same time the boons for following them are ephemeral at best since whatever power their priests wield comes from the priests themselves (it's souls, ain't gotta explain shit, seen in Magran priestess and Durance quests) and they can't involve themselves with the affairs of mortals (with two notable exceptions being Eothas\Waidwen situation and Woedicca). They don't even protect their own holy places, as shown by Hylea's quest. The only religion I can see working is Skaen because at least he imbues his followers with some power through rituals and even there we can't be sure it's not just priestly magic. The rest of the deities are just sitting around their god telephone wanking themselves endlessly. Now, we can go into the whole "but real life god doesn't do shit as well", but that's a discussion for another time and place. In PoE we have dudes slinging magic around, so it's reasonable to hold up godlike beings at least to the standards of a regular magic man, and they don't quite outperform him.

(2) by far most cRPG's do not

And PoE doesn't differ from them.

Please explain the relevance of the Wall of the Faithless of whether TES features priestly magic or not to these points.

They were related directly to the part of your post I quoted

 

[Prime Junta]

Stompa Thank you for making my point for me.

As I said: in cRPG's, people follow gods because of rewards/punishments. IRL people follow religions for far more complex reasons. P:E's religions and gods are far more believable because there aren't simplistic rewards and punishments. Gods don't protect their holy sites here either, nor involve themselves (much) in the affairs of mortals, yet people still keep following them. Weird, isn't it?