Game News Project Eternity Kickstarter Update #50: New FAQ, New Arcanum LP Season

[Orma]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

 

[Arkeus]

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Did you try putting on your robe and stop going naked?

 

[Roguey]

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

 

[ironyuri]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
Edit: Torian Kel [not the Bane of Kree herpderp] (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

 

[Orma]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

 

[ironyuri]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

Bane of KreeTorian Kel

 

[DwarvenFood]

He has to play it 7 times.



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Suddenly, we hear a sound from MCA's office:
BANG

A bit before that, Tim Cain entered the office, put down a Luger on the desk, gave MCA a deep stare full of disappointment, and walked away.

 

[EG]

He has to play it 7 times.



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Suddenly, we hear a sound from MCA's office:
BANG

A bit before that, Tim Cain entered the office, put down a Luger on the desk, gave MCA a deep stare full of disappointment, and walked away.

I'd like to think, prior to this, Cain put down those "operations" people for failing to YouTube | Record proper.

Playlists rather than annotations, plox.

 

[LeStryfe79]

:youreafag:

 

[Zeriel]

He has to play it 7 times.



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A man's got to have retirement goals. The Caribbean can be a lonely place without a few decades of fighting wolves.

 

[Anthony Davis]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

Bane of KreeTorian Kel

Pretty sure you have to be evil to recruit him.

 

[ironyuri]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

Bane of KreeTorian Kel

Pretty sure you have to be evil to recruit him.

Torian, Geoffrey and Vollinger will join you if your alignment is -20~ iirc, if your alignment remains at 0 or below they'll complain but stick around.

Dante, Magnus, Jayna and Dante will join you if you're positively aligned, but won't leave unless you dip below zero, and if you have high charisma or positive reaction items, you can persuade them to stay.

My original point stands that by the time you get to Black Mt Clan mines, if you're playing a diplomat build, you should have a sizeable party of 5+ characters.

Edit: I should clarify as well, that you can drop your alignment to recruit NPCs, but then restore it to neutral~. In my diplomat game I had -7 alignment as a standard for most of the game, dropped it low to recruit Torian and some others, but overall my character was neutral/lawful. His high charisma kept his followers in line.

You should at least have Virgil and one other companion, plus Dog (Worthless Mutt) who doesn't count towards a companion slot, even if you're not a diplomat, in which case you should be able to tackle the mines a different way.

If you eschew combat skills/builds, you'd presumably rely on a party or on avoiding combat, I find it irksome, therefore, when people who take those builds complain about not being able to fight or bypass combat heavy areas [in Arcanum] when the extended Shrouded Hills prologue basically teaches you by doing: providing two joinable NPCs (Virgil and Sogg) as well as several quests which have numerous solutions/rewards.

The party size afforded the charismatic diplomat in Arcanum is enormous by the genre's standards, in my last run I had 7 followers, and with a mix of ranged, healing and melee you can quite easily steamroll anything without your PC ever lifting a finger him/herself.

 

[imweasel]

Arcanum has shit combat but the rest of the gameplay is amazing. Fuck the haters. For them this is the ideal gif:

The crafting system is pretty shitty too.

But other than that I agree, the rest is great.

 

[Anthony Davis]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

Bane of KreeTorian Kel

Pretty sure you have to be evil to recruit him.

Torian, Geoffrey and Vollinger will join you if your alignment is -20~ iirc, if your alignment remains at 0 or below they'll complain but stick around.

Dante, Magnus, Jayna and Dante will join you if you're positively aligned, but won't leave unless you dip below zero, and if you have high charisma or positive reaction items, you can persuade them to stay.

My original point stands that by the time you get to Black Mt Clan mines, if you're playing a diplomat build, you should have a sizeable party of 5+ characters.

Edit: I should clarify as well, that you can drop your alignment to recruit NPCs, but then restore it to neutral~. In my diplomat game I had -7 alignment as a standard for most of the game, dropped it low to recruit Torian and some others, but overall my character was neutral/lawful. His high charisma kept his followers in line.

You should at least have Virgil and one other companion, plus Dog (Worthless Mutt) who doesn't count towards a companion slot, even if you're not a diplomat, in which case you should be able to tackle the mines a different way.

If you eschew combat skills/builds, you'd presumably rely on a party or on avoiding combat, I find it irksome, therefore, when people who take those builds complain about not being able to fight or bypass combat heavy areas [in Arcanum] when the extended Shrouded Hills prologue basically teaches you by doing: providing two joinable NPCs (Virgil and Sogg) as well as several quests which have numerous solutions/rewards.

The party size afforded the charismatic diplomat in Arcanum is enormous by the genre's standards, in my last run I had 7 followers, and with a mix of ranged, healing and melee you can quite easily steamroll anything without your PC ever lifting a finger him/herself.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply your advice was wrong, it is actually very good advice. I always make a beeline for Dog right away and kill that gnome who is abusing him.

If Torian was who I remember, he is the one you resurrect at the end of a long dungeon and if you are good he is then like, "get lost loser".

I might try playing evil this time.

 

[ironyuri]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

Bane of KreeTorian Kel

Pretty sure you have to be evil to recruit him.

Torian, Geoffrey and Vollinger will join you if your alignment is -20~ iirc, if your alignment remains at 0 or below they'll complain but stick around.

Dante, Magnus, Jayna and Dante will join you if you're positively aligned, but won't leave unless you dip below zero, and if you have high charisma or positive reaction items, you can persuade them to stay.

My original point stands that by the time you get to Black Mt Clan mines, if you're playing a diplomat build, you should have a sizeable party of 5+ characters.

Edit: I should clarify as well, that you can drop your alignment to recruit NPCs, but then restore it to neutral~. In my diplomat game I had -7 alignment as a standard for most of the game, dropped it low to recruit Torian and some others, but overall my character was neutral/lawful. His high charisma kept his followers in line.

You should at least have Virgil and one other companion, plus Dog (Worthless Mutt) who doesn't count towards a companion slot, even if you're not a diplomat, in which case you should be able to tackle the mines a different way.

If you eschew combat skills/builds, you'd presumably rely on a party or on avoiding combat, I find it irksome, therefore, when people who take those builds complain about not being able to fight or bypass combat heavy areas [in Arcanum] when the extended Shrouded Hills prologue basically teaches you by doing: providing two joinable NPCs (Virgil and Sogg) as well as several quests which have numerous solutions/rewards.

The party size afforded the charismatic diplomat in Arcanum is enormous by the genre's standards, in my last run I had 7 followers, and with a mix of ranged, healing and melee you can quite easily steamroll anything without your PC ever lifting a finger him/herself.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply your advice was wrong, it is actually very good advice. I always make a beeline for Dog right away and kill that gnome who is abusing him.

If Torian was who I remember, he is the one you resurrect at the end of a long dungeon and if you are good he is then like, "get lost loser".

I might try playing evil this time.

Q-q-q-q-quote pyramids.

I didn't think you were disagreeing, you just gave me an opportunity to add to what I'd said, since it was a caveat worth mentioning. You can have a party of x size, but certain npcs will only be joinable at y alignment.

Torian is well worth it. As far as I remember, Torian Kel, Magnus and Virgil are the only three NPCs in the game that really have any depth (as far as a personal character arc goes). Virgil and Magnus have their own cathartic questlines, and Torian, to the extent that you can bestow a gift on him in the Void that he cherishes, has a similar arc.

The two elven NPCs you can recruit after Qintarra, Z'an and Raven, while voiced, don't offer too much to the story. Z'an will have a thing or two to say to Arronax though, which was quite funny. I suppose Vollinger also has a story arc, if it can be called one... if very rushed.

 

[Orma]

I actually want to go play Arcanum again now.

I actually started playing it.

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

By the time you reach Black Mountain Clan mines with a speech build character (high int, high cha, high persuasion), your party can be made up by 5-6 characters, including:

Sogg (melee)
Magnus (melee)
Virgil (magic/melee)
Jayna Stiles (healer)
Geoffrey Tarellond-Ash (magic)
Dante (healer/melee)
Gar (melee)
Dog (Worthless Mutt) (melee)
Vollinger (firearms)
The Bane of Kree (melee)

And you can't get past the ore golems?

I guess, I went there much earlier than intended.

Wait a sec... bane of kree? o_O

So did I, with a speech character. Can't get past ore golems in black mountain.

Leave your companions at the entrance and run past them. There's a scroll of teleport you can use to exit the mines without backtracking too.

Oh, thanks. I'll try that.

Bane of KreeTorian Kel

Pretty sure you have to be evil to recruit him.

Torian, Geoffrey and Vollinger will join you if your alignment is -20~ iirc, if your alignment remains at 0 or below they'll complain but stick around.

Dante, Magnus, Jayna and Dante will join you if you're positively aligned, but won't leave unless you dip below zero, and if you have high charisma or positive reaction items, you can persuade them to stay.

My original point stands that by the time you get to Black Mt Clan mines, if you're playing a diplomat build, you should have a sizeable party of 5+ characters.

I did not even come across that many recruitable NPC's before i got there (actually I went there right away after I talked to Gilbert). I had only virgil, sogg and magnus. I also met the Geoffrey (after i've given up on BMC until I leveled up and got moar companions ) and did his quest, but he said i'm ''too noble''.

 

[DwarvenFood]

So Anthony, what is your take on MCA's Arcanum skills ?

 

[aris]

Chris Avellone hates playing games.

Except for Bioshock:Infinite

 

[Roguey]

He also loved the combat of KoA: Reckoning.

 

[Anthony Davis]

So Anthony, what is your take on MCA's Arcanum skills ?

I think he is doing alright.

For those of us here who have played through the game about a million times, the things we take for granted in the game are actually a lot more obtuse than we remember. For example, aimed shots are almost completely undocumented.

When Chris came to visit a few weeks ago I tried to talk him about his Arcanum play through, but he would have none of it. He is determined to play through it as new and fresh as he can.

 

[Anthony Davis]

Also he if decides to go Tech instead of Magic, like I did on my first play through, he is in for a world of unbalanced hell. Lol.

 

[garren]

I think he said he's a mage when speaking with Riztezze. In before Harm spam

 

[Jasede]

...aimed shots? In Arcanum?

 

[Anthony Davis]

...aimed shots? In Arcanum?

Yes. Only through the keyboard and I would need to look it up again to remember what they are.

 

[Krraloth]

Never heard of Aimed shots in Arcanum before.
I played a Sword guy with a Stun spell backup.
The combo worked well and I remember a WTF moment in the basement or was it a bank? anyway the building where you find a mechanized spider.

Then, when I hit the mines I only had Virgil (I played it before I knew English well so I really had no idea what I was doing) that promptly got oneshotted.
I for one, found the mines entertaining because I could not use the my personal I WIN combo and I had to go buy 6 swords or so, because I was going through them pretty quickly.