Reasons Why Younger Gamers Don't Get Older RPGs?.

[Falksi]

and i'm pretty sure you can find players your age who won't be able to beat shining force, as you can also find a 10yo who can beat the game. age has nothing to do with it. it just depends on your gaming background, and i'm not even so sure about that.

You're backing up my point. An additional 10 years spent playing games in the 80's & early 90's, not to mention living that culture too, is the background which made for more independant/better gamers & people.

We were raised on being sent to an arcade with £1 in our pockets, and having to "gut gud" enough to make that last a whole day. Youngfags are spoiled rotten, and haven't even ever had to walk half a day just to game in the first place.

 

[barricade]

and i'm pretty sure you can find players your age who won't be able to beat shining force, as you can also find a 10yo who can beat the game. age has nothing to do with it. it just depends on your gaming background, and i'm not even so sure about that.

"There are older gamers who aren't good at that game too, therefore the measurable retardation of young people like myself is fake news, checkmate oldfags "

"most of older gamers are pure casuals, therefore the measurable retardation of young people like myself is fake news (this part is correct gg), have a good one (i received an education)"

anything else?

 

[barricade]

and i'm pretty sure you can find players your age who won't be able to beat shining force, as you can also find a 10yo who can beat the game. age has nothing to do with it. it just depends on your gaming background, and i'm not even so sure about that.

Youngfags are spoiled rotten

i'm pretty sure your elders thought the same about your generation. older people have been complaining about the younger generations for the past 2000 years. i hope i won't be like this when i'll be older.

 

[Hace El Oso]

"most of older gamers are pure casuals, therefore the measurable retardation of young people like myself is fake news (this part is correct gg), have a good one (i received an education)"

You see, back before your perception of history starting in 2015, there was a real subculture built around gaming, because you had to self-select into it. The typical member of this subculture was absolutely hardcore by any measurement calibrated for the current day, because they were motivated, interested volunteers from a pool that was still comprised of mostly functioning humans. But since you don't know about that, you just regurgitate tiresome statistics that the average gamer is a housewife in her mid 30s who plays games on her mobile.

P.S.

i received an education

Doesn't exactly carry the weight it once did.

 

[Parabalus]

Biggest problem is UI - much harder getting into Fallout if you played Arcanum or the IE games beforehand.

 

[barricade]

"most of older gamers are pure casuals, therefore the measurable retardation of young people like myself is fake news (this part is correct gg), have a good one (i received an education)"

You see, back before your perception of history starting in 2015, there was a real subculture built around gaming, because you had to self-select into it. The typical member of this subculture was absolutely hardcore by any measurement calibrated for the current day, because they were motivated, interested volunteers from a pool that was still comprised of mostly functioning humans. But since you don't know about that, you just regurgitate tiresome statistics that the average gamer is a housewife in her mid 30s who plays games on her mobile.

P.S.

i received an education

Doesn't exactly carry the weight it once did.

yeah ok you got triggered. i get it, i'm young, i don't know anything, you guys are so much better than us, beating fallout requires a tremendous amount of gaming skills, i discovered history last week, i'm "regurgitating" stupid stats while you guys are not shitting on younger generations using the classic boomer clichés

i'll be fine

 

[Nifft Batuff]

I recently saw people saying that they didn't play Bioshock despite the good reputation it had because the graphics were dated.

This is an interesting point, but I think that the same people that consider the Bioshock graphics too outdated have no problems with modern games with pixel-art that resembles a SNES game.
It all depends on expectations and context. I think the uncanny valley of graphics now has shifted in the 3D graphics of the '00s.

 

[Comte_II]

Lack of patience see it with my young kids. Everybody is all zonked out on phone games.

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

older people have been complaining about the younger generations for the past 2000 years. i hope i won't be like this when i'll be older.

Dream on.

 

[Falksi]

and i'm pretty sure you can find players your age who won't be able to beat shining force, as you can also find a 10yo who can beat the game. age has nothing to do with it. it just depends on your gaming background, and i'm not even so sure about that.

Youngfags are spoiled rotten

i'm pretty sure your elders thought the same about your generation. older people have been complaining about the younger generations for the past 2000 years. i hope i won't be like this when i'll be older.

I highly doubt a generation without arcades thought their generation had to squeeze more out of the coin they were given for said arcades

 

[FFTW]

Because they don't even give them a chance, naturally. All these posts about retardation and loss of IQ and whatever are off the mark – the real reason is that the majority of young gamers won't touch the "classics" with a 10ft pole unless you force them, and if you do force them then, well, it's hard to enjoy something you're forced into. The games have outdated graphics, often antiquated controls, often ask you to read the manual, and rarely have any interesting new features (naturally, as almost every feature from them has been tkaen by their successors and ran into the ground by now). So why would the young gamer even look at these games, instead of going for something more modern? Because you say the older ones are better? He's not gonna believe you.

To get into older games, you need to first become dissatisfied with modern gaming (because so long as you are satisfied, you have no reason to look to older games), and that requires so much time that most people simply don't reach that state, or if they do, it'll probably be by the time they're old enough to complain about how the younger generation is full of low-IQ retards that cannot appreciate the classics.

That is pretty much the truth. It is basically about the QOL features that people have gotten used to. That is why projects like the Enhanced Editions of IE games are a great idea, as they provide most of these QOL features while at the same time exposing the games to a much wider audience via putting them on the current gen consoles so console gamers can experience them too.

If this forum exists in 20 years, it will be filled with oldfags lamenting that the new generation refuses to go back and appreciate the "old classics" like Witcher 3.

Indeed lol. and 20 years ago they would have been lamenting that the new generation plays those new dumbed down IE games and refuses to go back and appreciate the old classics like Ultima 1.

To get into older games, you need to first become dissatisfied with modern gaming

Except unless you played the older and better games you'll think Fallout 3/4 is as good as it gets without even knowing you're playing shit made by retards for retards.

Not really, you just need to play Fallout: New Vegas to figure that out lol.

So even understanding the bias of the Forum in general: would you recommend the game to someone who only got into RPGs because of Dragon Age? If it helps I was also a major fan of Geneforge so it's not like an archaic user interface would bother me. Beyond that, I've always liked the diea of Arcanum and Planescape: Torment but wondered if I'd actually enjoy the games in practice.

As someone who considers The Dragon Age series to be his favorite game series of all time, I would definitely recommend the IE games provided that you play the Enhanced Editions of them. I would also recommend any classic Bioware or Obsidian title.

 

[barricade]

older people have been complaining about the younger generations for the past 2000 years. i hope i won't be like this when i'll be older.

Dream on.

i know i know ^^

 

[KateMicucci]

It is not a tragedy that young people don't like crpgs.

 

[FFTW]

People whining about graphics are on the wrong track.

I recently saw people saying that they didn't play Bioshock despite the good reputation it had because the graphics were dated. FFS, you can claim anything about how Bioshock is bad as an immersive sim (and it'd be true), but if nothing else the visuals were among its strongest points by far.

The last time i had this sort of shock was some years ago when someone claimed that KOTOR's visuals were too dated for them.

So yeah, i don't think people whining about graphics are on the wrong track. Though i think what thesecret1 mentioned is way closer to the truth: "The games have outdated graphics, often antiquated controls, often ask you to read the manual, and rarely have any interesting new features [..] To get into older games, you need to first become dissatisfied with modern gaming (because so long as you are satisfied, you have no reason to look to older games)".

People do not get into old games because there are tons of new games - and even those with subpar visuals (or even those who imitate retro visuals) tend to at least have modern controls and are designed to be picked up immediately instead of requiring going through a manual.

If they think that about the Bioshock series (which is utterly stupid lol) they can simply play the official remasters in 2k/4k 60FPS. Problem solved.

and yeah, like I said, I agree that the problem is mostly stuff like controls and QOL features. Thankfully, such things are solvable via remasters.

 

[JarlFrank]

So when I played BG, I wasn't playing a RPG with 'barren maps and no feedback' I was playing a game with a character that represented my alter ego in the FR.

When I played BG I was playing an RPG with barren maps and boring, generic, entry-level tier writing that has nothing interesting in it other than "look, we've read the basic setting books!" references to Forgotten Realms lore. Most encounters are boring trash mobs. It's just a lame game.

 

[Humanophage]

The problem might be that RPGs acquired a reputation as a dumb genre. Younger people play relatively complex non-actiony games like Crusader Kings or Rimworld just fine. They play challenging 'get gud' games like DOTA or Hearthstone. But with an RPG, they expect to see a movie with simplistic gameplay. Alternatively, they expect a NES graphics style game, where the movie is replaced with simple non-interactive one-liners.

Reading does seem to have something to do with it, but young people read a fair deal of dumb YA, so I wouldn't blame it on not reading books, but rather not liking to read in games for some reason.

It's just a lack of interest.

I have a brother who's a hardcore Starcraft 2 player. It's all he plays. All day. Every day. When he's on break from work; he's instead spending his break not sleeping by playing that game. I managed to get him to play Dark Sun by sitting by his side and walking him through it. He had fun creating his party. Rolling for stats and asking question. Thing is, even though he was enjoying the experience. Next day. He was back to playing Starcraft 2 and never touched Dark Sun ever again. It was the same thing with Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. He was running around. Exploring the first world you crash into from opening. Talking to every fucking NPC. Reading every boring dialogue. Very much liking the game. However. Come morning. He completely forgot about it and went back to Starcraft 2.

Thing is. RPGs aren't this mystical thing that young people are unable to fathom due to some generational thing or some retarded bullshit. They're pretty easy to bite into and chew, especially if you had those handy dandy manuals that games used to ship with - which basically explain every nuance in concise manner, some manuals also had enemy lists, listing their weaknesses and how to beat them - essentially telling you how to chew your own food. There were also Cluebooks too. Which gave you the best way to beat the game as quickly as possible without any fuss. Nowadays RPGs don't have cluebooks or manuals. Instead it's all explained through in-game tutorials, tool tips, hints, though most people just search things up online if they have problems, having it explained by some other schmuck. Anyways. The genre is very approachable and accessible.

Truth is: Your young gamers aren't going to pull themselves away from Fortnite, League of Legends, DOTA, Starcraft, or whatever recent online multiplayer; to play something that they're simply not interested in. Yeah you can force them by sitting by their side, walking them through it, but they'll just go back to Starcraft or Fortnite the next day.

The same thing would apply to Counterstrike or Starcraft players in the past. It's just a different format. But a lot of young players don't have 2500 hours in a single game. Perhaps you could say that those who like challenges play one game like DOTA a lot, while those who play diverse games don't want a challenge and want to relax in a more flaccid fashion. However, the popularity of roguelikes attests to the opposite.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

This is the first time in history when someone has said "Those kids just don't get why the art of my generation was objectively the best". What an original thought. Surely it's because everyone is illiterate now, you nailed it.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

and yeah, like I said, I agree that the problem is mostly stuff like controls and QOL features. Thankfully, such things are solvable via remasters emulators.

Remaster are a social problem we need to fight.

 

[Just Locus]

I don't think that it's because some don't want to get into it because they have a room temperature IQ, but it's because a loss of interest as well as the age passing.
If cavemen still existed, they would find banging rocks together to be more fun and engaging than the RPGs that were played in the nineties, and the same goes for the people who played RPGs today, trends will always die, it's just a matter of when, and companies will jump on them, and when the developers jump on them, so does the player-base.

So even if you have the smartest 2022 RPG player, i doubt they'll find the trends of the nineties to be as good as the one that's currently trending, and so on and so forth the cycle repeats, Of course, whether the old trends were good or not is up for debate, and I can definitely see both sides, I still respect the old trends more cause it seemed like they had less malicious intentions and that it was in an age where you can't nickel and dime people at every chance and get away with it.

 

[ResetRPG]

Enjoying vidya is a mark of high intelligence

 

[JarlFrank]

I don't think that it's because some don't want to get into it because they have a room temperature IQ, but it's because a loss of interest as well as the age passing.
If cavemen still existed, they would find banging rocks together to be more fun and engaging than the RPGs that were played in the nineties, and the same goes for the people who played RPGs today, trends will always die, it's just a matter of when, and companies will jump on them, and when the developers jump on them, so does the player-base.

So even if you have the smartest 2022 RPG player, i doubt they'll find the trends of the nineties to be as good as the one that's currently trending, and so on and so forth the cycle repeats, Of course, whether the old trends were good or not is up for debate, and I can definitely see both sides, I still respect the old trends more cause it seemed like they had less malicious intentions and that it was in an age where you can't nickel and dime people at every chance and get away with it.

Yet I can still get into 80s games even though I was only born in 88 and they were made before my time.
I also enjoy 1930s-1950s films noirs, which often have very good plots and a cool atmosphere.
And my favorite fantasy literature is 1930s pulp - Weird Tales etc.

Good quality is ageless.

 

[Humanophage]

This is the first time in history when someone has said "Those kids just don't get why the art of my generation was objectively the best". What an original thought. Surely it's because everyone is illiterate now, you nailed it.

Complaining about such complaining is hardly original either. You can't really complain about something from the future because it doesn't exist except theoretically, and people do complain about that anyway (the coming decline, slippery slopes, etc.) Complaining about the past doesn't make that much sense because it has changed anyway - perhaps for the better, or it just disappeared. For example, let's say you hated jungle music and drum'n'bass in the 90s. You'd have complained back then even if you were a teen - but now it basically doesn't exist, so it is low on the list of things to complain about.

You can perhaps complain about the more recent rather than the more distant past. But the bulk of complaining is always about the current thing because it's harming you right now, and you want it to change. It's particularly painful if something was very good, and then grew bad.

Besides, I think most people who like RPGs would agree that while the late 90s were better for RPGs than now, the period between 2005 and 2013 or so was worse. So it's not really about age. For comparison, strategies from the same period were often just fine.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

This is the first time in history when someone has said "Those kids just don't get why the art of my generation was objectively the best". What an original thought. Surely it's because everyone is illiterate now, you nailed it.

Complaining about such complaining is hardly original either. You can't really complain about something from the future because it doesn't exist except theoretically, and people do complain about that anyway (the coming decline, slippery slopes, etc.) Complaining about the past doesn't make that much sense because it has changed anyway - perhaps for the better, or it just disappeared. For example, let's say you hated jungle music and drum'n'bass in the 90s. You'd have complained back then even if you were a teen - but now it basically doesn't exist, so it is low on the list of things to complain about.

You can perhaps complain about the more recent rather than the more distant past. But the bulk of complaining is always about the current thing because it's harming you right now, and you want it to change. It's particularly painful if something was very good, and then grew bad.

Besides, I think most people who like RPGs would agree that while the late 90s were better for RPGs than now, the period between 2005 and 2013 or so was worse. So it's not really about age. For comparison, strategies from the same period were often just fine.

Complaining about complaining about complaining is... a bit more original, but still, not that original. Now, what I'm doing here, complaining about complaining about complaining about complaining... well I think I'm a pioneer in terms of complaintception.


That said, I don't think it's about how much book reading is going on.

 

[Cryomancer]

Low attention spam

 

[mondblut]

older people have been complaining about the younger generations for the past 2000 years.

And they always had a point.