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kenney bounces

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Well... play a few of these in no order. Switch between them:

Group-turn based strategy
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Jagged alliance 2, ufo (the first)

Turn-based RPG
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Baldur's gate 2, fallout 1 & 2, arcanum,

Real-time RPG
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Gothic 2

Worth mentioning: disciples 2, heroes series, and even might and magic series (some were crap, some were good).

There's probably a few more i left out.. but that's off the top of my head atm.

And if you can tolerate indi games, prelude to darkness (crashes tons though) and geneforge. I haven't tried avernum yet. The anime-like chars turned me off, and i like anime. ;)
 

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Razz said:
You don't have to be a rocket scientist or an expert in cRPG's/the Codex to figure out what you people's general stance is on JRPG's.
Or what games we people here would recommend. Just lurk moar.

Alternatively, there is a search function, you should give it a try sometime, maybe some of your questions were already answered and you don't need to waste time asking them.
 

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trais said:
Razz said:
You don't have to be a rocket scientist or an expert in cRPG's/the Codex to figure out what you people's general stance is on JRPG's.
Or what games we people here would recommend. Just lurk moar.

Alternatively, there is a search function, you should give it a try sometime, maybe some of your questions were already answered and you don't need to waste time asking them.

He wasn't asking for what games the codex recommends. He was asking which games the codex recommends for guys new to the wRPG scene. There's a big difference.
 

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DriacKin said:
He wasn't asking for what games the codex recommends. He was asking which games the codex recommends for guys new to the wRPG scene. There's a big difference.
Seriously? You think that would be some different games?
Totaly not PS:T, Fallout, Arcanum, BG, Kotor2, ICD, VtM:B, ToEE and Gothic (+sequels)?
 

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For god's sake, who are these people who are saying 2ed DnD ruleset is complicated?

It is not. The Infinity Engine games have considerably simpler rulesets than alot of RPGs out there, and are meant for newcomers.

You need to understand only three basic things: Armour Class, To Hit Armour Class Zero (THAC0), and the 20 sided die.

Good complicated rulesets are the kind that Sir-Tech use. And even then, it is only a matter of spending a little time with the manual and character creation before you get used to it. But 2ed is hardly intimidating compared to them.
 

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The Witcher The Witcher The Witcher The Witcher. Play it. I just finished it only a few moments ago. Leaving behind that amazing universe and saying goodbye to Geralt, Dandelion and the other characters left me with a lump in my throat.

It's basically an actionRPG set in a dark universe where, to quote the developers, "no good or evil exists, only choices and their consequences". It has considerably less moral choices than most other roleplaying games, meaning that you wont encounter a subquest around every corner that offers you multiple solutions (ala most Bioware games where you can't take three steps without running into another good/evil/indifferent dilemma). To compensate (and this is a great compensation), the choices you do get to make have far-reaching consequences that sometimes come back to haunt you several chapters after you make them. And as mentioned, none of the choices are clearly good or evil. It's all murky gray. It's a very mature game, and even if it occasionally ventures into the realm of romantic adventure, it rarely stays there for long.

The protagonist is also great character. He's the kind of anti-hero you can't help but love. Yes, this is one of the rare RPGs that wont allow you to choose a race and make a character from scratch, since you'll be playing as Geralt, the witcher . Many of Geralts personality traits are set in stone, and some people would probably tell you that Witcher isn't a proper RPG because of this, but you get to make choices regarding Geralts core beliefs at many points during the game, so despite the fact that you can't alter his hair color you still get to have a say when it truly matters. I personally think the game has a struck a perfect balance with this, since you get to roleplay and at the same time get a protagonist full of personality and a world that responds to him accordingly. In some ways comparable to Planescape where you had The Nameless One.

The Witcher also has some fun combat. The combat system in itself is very simple and actionrpg-ish, but what makes the whole combat aspect stand out is that you need to prepare for battles. This is done by studying the monsters you're going up against to find their weaknesses (ie. which combat style are they susceptible to and which blade coatings can you use to weaken them), and preparing various potions that increase your stats and gives you a variety of advantages. For instance, I once prepared a potion called Black Blood that would insta-kill any vampire trying to drink my blood, thus allowing me to eradicate a whole lair of vampires simply by letting them attack me. Another time, I used something called Necrophage Oil (a blade coating that doubles your damage against undead) to eradicate a bunch of troublesome ghouls that I couldn't have brought down otherwise, and so on and so forth. On the hardest difficulty, utilising potions, blade coating and bombs is a necessity and add immensily to the strategic aspect of the game, making you consider which remedies to use for which task. It must be said, though, that this is only on the hardest difficulty level, so if you get the game, play on hard. It's a much more fun experience.

Anyway, there's a lot more to the game that I don't feel like describing right now because it's eight in the morning and I'm tired like a motherfucker. The Witcher is just a great game that has an engaging story, characters you'll come to like and some good RPG aspects that makes you feel in charge of how the story develops. It's in my top three, easily.
 
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Once you develop a taste for crpgs, don't skip on the early 90's ones just because they're old. Betrayal at Krondor, Darklands and the Ultima series are fantastic and some may say even better than the modern lot.
 

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Wyrmlord said:
For god's sake, who are these people who are saying 2ed DnD ruleset is complicated?

It is not. The Infinity Engine games have considerably simpler rulesets than alot of RPGs out there, and are meant for newcomers.

You need to understand only three basic things: Armour Class, To Hit Armour Class Zero (THAC0), and the 20 sided die.

Good complicated rulesets are the kind that Sir-Tech use. And even then, it is only a matter of spending a little time with the manual and character creation before you get used to it. But 2ed is hardly intimidating compared to them.

He's a console gamer, wyrm. His IQ is probably in the teens right now so yea, IE games are too much and will make his head explode.
 
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Bloodlines is a great transition RPG. It eliminates the grind of leveling given you receive no XP from combat making the focus on your choices and character (more emphasis on quests and how you decide to complete them). It allows for multiple playthroughs and has a fantastic atmosphere throughout the entire game. The last portion of the game is.. lacking, but it doesn't ruin the terrific experience of game up to that point.

The wife loved it after a disappointing experience with Fallout 3. Given that it was her first real RPG -- she had only played FO3 for PC and Morrowind for Xbox -- it really opened her mind to older games like Fallout 1 and Arcanum.
 

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Fallout and Arcanum to see how generally good RPGs look like.
Torment and NWN 2: Mask of the Betrayer to see how good story-driven RPGs look like.
Vampire: Bloodlines and The Witcher to see the only good examples of good action-rpgs.
 

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racofer said:
He's a console gamer, wyrm. His IQ is probably in the teens right now so yea, IE games are too much and will make his head explode.
Don't be a dolt. The consolites are, more often than not, at least slightly retarded, but if he was your typical consolite he would have asked "i plyd tornment but dunno what to do this gaem sux lol halp?!1" rather than praising this game in a rather witty post. This is a true RPG fan in making and we should help him rather than driving him off, even if he's likely to be familiar with Codex-style newb treatment.

Also, I don't think he's a troll. It takes a truly pathetic individual to utterly fail at trolling by attempting to troll by preaching to the choir.

Finally, GTFO.

@OP:

If you happen to like FPS games as well as RPGs, try Deus Ex 1 - it's about 50-50 mixture of both. System shock games have less RPG elements in them (SS1 has none), but are also great games.
 

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trais said:
Razz said:
You don't have to be a rocket scientist or an expert in cRPG's/the Codex to figure out what you people's general stance is on JRPG's.
Or what games we people here would recommend. Just lurk moar.

Alternatively, there is a search function, you should give it a try sometime, maybe some of your questions were already answered and you don't need to waste time asking them.

So he should have, instead, posted a topic about Fallout fucking three? I'll take threads like this over the constant flow of Fallout 3 shit anyday.

To answer the original question:

Jagged Alliance 2 has fantastic turn based combat with well developed/highly entertaining characters. It is not, however, an rpg.

Not sure why people are saying he shouldn't play Baldur's Gate 2, as he's played PS:T. BG2 isn't anything spectacular, but it's a solid rpg in the usual fantasy setting.

System Shock 2 far outweighs Deus Ex in my opinion if you're looking for an fps/rpg hybrid, but to each their own. And while it's true that SS2 is further from the rpg side of the scale, the game itself is more enjoyable.

I'll stop here with the recommendations as I'll just end up repeating all of the previous ones...I'm enjoying Avernum 5 at the moment, but I'm not sure that'd be the best place to start. The Avernum/Geneforge games have large demos, however, so it wouldn't hurt to try'em.
 
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which RPGs do you recommend a complete newbie like me picks up? I'm talking a complete, utter ignoramus here.

Go play... Let me see... Mistmare. Yeah, Mistmare will do. The one true landmark, and all that.
 

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Anyway, no RPG is more accessible to a first-time RPGer than Might And Magic: World Of Xeen.

Simple ruleset. Extremely easy to use interface. Fast pace. Freeroaming enough to let you wander around and pick up the game on your own.

And it's also a great RPG.
 

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Wyrmlord said:
Anyway, no RPG is more accessible to a first-time RPGer than Might And Magic: World Of Xeen.

Simple ruleset. Extremely easy to use interface. Fast pace. Freeroaming enough to let you wander around and pick up the game on your own.

And it's also a great RPG.

And the graphics are beautiful, too.

http://abandonia.com/en/games/482/World+Of+Xeen.html

Great introduction into dungeon crawlers. Even better than Wizardry 8, if you haven't played any real crawlers before. As Wyrmlord said, it's accessible and has an easy to use interface. Combat isn't too hard, either, but still enough challenge to be fun. Graphics are colorful and look nice, they've definitely aged well. And it has some nice dungeon design, too. Definitely give it a try.
 
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Better to find out how much graphic whore is in the mix first. Quite a few morons even here cannot handle oldskool graphics, let alone one fresh off the boat.
 

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Razz said:
the leveling system was so broken it wasn't even funny

which RPGs do you recommend a complete newbie like me picks up? I'm talking a complete, utter ignoramus here.

Time for a disbelieve roll here. Nice try though :D

i r newb and want 2 play dem arr pee gees, witch 1s do i play??

Temple of Elemental Evil.
 

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Blackadder said:
Better to find out how much graphic whore is in the mix first.
I'm actually surprisingly open-minded, as long as you don't give me a list containing nothing but ASCII stuff. I'm not a graphix whore (also quite surprisingly), but I still enjoy the presence of some sort of graphix, if you know what I mean.
Trace amounts.

mondblut said:
Razz said:
the leveling system was so broken it wasn't even funny

which RPGs do you recommend a complete newbie like me picks up? I'm talking a complete, utter ignoramus here.

Time for a disbelieve roll here. Nice try though :D
Because it takes Einstein combined with hardcore RPG veteran to notice that there is something horribly wrong if you have to reverse-pick your skills in order to avoid being raped by bandits/marauders Übermensch all sporting legendary level gear or by strange tribes of goblins consisting entirely of shamans and warlords, also ridiculously high level ones. :roll:
 

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I'll not comment on all the trolls trolling my supposed troll thread, except for this: of course I was familiar with most of the basic titles (PS:T, Arcanum, Fallout - I also mentioned this in my first post) and their general game basics, what I was looking for was feedback by people with first-hand experience catered to my personal situation. Maybe with some games I'd never (or rarely) heard of thrown in for good measure, and specific tips on orders to play them in. Coincidentally, I got both! Really appreciate all the info people are giving, I could just print this thread out and pin it to my wall next to my other to-do list :D. I may try out Bloodlines first due to some people mentioning it as a good 'transition' RPG (thanks for the patching hints on that one, by the way).

Question about KotoR 1/2: I'm not exactly a huge Star Wars fan, but I do enjoy sci-fi quite a bit. I disliked the movies (both the original trilogy and the new one, actually) due to them being very hard to take seriously (FOR ME). The acting and things like the supremely annoying robots every two scenes were mostly to blame for this. Teddybear aliens, laser fights which didn't actually 'feel' like fights, and the ridiculous overly colourful art direction of the new trilogy didn't help either. I didn't really have any problems with the general concept though, and the universe certainly had potential. I was wondering how the games feel in terms of atmosphere and.. silliness factor. More annoying robots? Or do they just keep the core concepts (which have potential and are enjoyable to me) and throw out the cheesiness? I realise this is sort of a vague question, but I'm curious as there seems to be a severe lack of other decent sci-fi RPG's.
 
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Razz said:
I'll not comment on all the trolls trolling my supposed troll thread, except for this: of course I was familiar with most of the basic titles (PS:T, Arcanum, Fallout - I also mentioned this in my first post) and their general game basics, what I was looking for was feedback by people with first-hand experience catered to my personal situation. Maybe with some games I'd never (or rarely) heard of thrown in for good measure, and specific tips on orders to play them in. Coincidentally, I got both! Really appreciate all the info people are giving, I could just print this thread out and pin it to my wall next to my other to-do list :D. I may try out Bloodlines first due to some people mentioning it as a good 'transition' RPG (thanks for the patching hints on that one, by the way).

Question about KotoR 1/2: I'm not exactly a huge Star Wars fan, but I do enjoy sci-fi quite a bit. I disliked the movies (both the original trilogy and the new one, actually) due to them being very hard to take seriously (FOR ME). The acting and things like the supremely annoying robots every two scenes were mostly to blame for this. Teddybear aliens, laser fights which didn't actually 'feel' like fights, and the ridiculous overly colourful art direction of the new trilogy didn't help either. I didn't really have any problems with the general concept though, and the universe certainly had potential. I was wondering how the games feel in terms of atmosphere and.. silliness factor. More annoying robots? Or do they just keep the core concepts (which have potential and are enjoyable to me) and throw out the cheesiness? I realise this is sort of a vague question, but I'm curious as there seems to be a severe lack of other decent sci-fi RPG's.

I don't really care for Star Wars. Enjoyed both Knights of the Old Republic games, nothing spectacular but enjoyable. The second one is better. Don't let the haters tell you otherwise.
 

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Razz said:
Question about KotoR 1/2: I'm not exactly a huge Star Wars fan, but I do enjoy sci-fi quite a bit. I disliked the movies (both the original trilogy and the new one, actually) due to them being very hard to take seriously (FOR ME). The acting and things like the supremely annoying robots every two scenes were mostly to blame for this. Teddybear aliens, laser fights which didn't actually 'feel' like fights, and the ridiculous overly colourful art direction of the new trilogy didn't help either. I didn't really have any problems with the general concept though, and the universe certainly had potential. I was wondering how the games feel in terms of atmosphere and.. silliness factor. More annoying robots? Or do they just keep the core concepts (which have potential and are enjoyable to me) and throw out the cheesiness? I realise this is sort of a vague question, but I'm curious as there seems to be a severe lack of other decent sci-fi RPG's.
KotOR 1 definitely keeps that cheesy Star Wars feel. KotOR 2 is a little less so, but if the original trilogy was too much of that for you, then you probably might still want to skip it. Yeah, its a Chris Avellone game, but there are much better Chris Avellone games you could be playing, and if you've already had experience with D&D, you don't need to deal with KotOR's dumbed-down system to get used to it.

If you're looking for sci-fi, I'd suggest System Shock 2 and Deus Ex. They're much more shooter than RPG, but still a better sci-fi experience than most of whats out there.
 

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You said you played torment, right?

K2 is torment in SW universe. The same guy wrote both games's story (more or less in k2), so you get the idea.

K1 is a biowarish game, which means it has cliches and somewhat shallow story (that is when you compare it to other rpgs).

The main difference between the two is that K1 is finished and well polished while K2 is poo poo in comparison. It has several cut content parts so you will the need the leaked restoration patch (which is being made by a bunch of fucktards) available in torrent sites. The leaked patch is beta and has a few bugs but nothing game breaking and it restores a big chunk of content. You also will need the high quality music and videos available to download at a fast speed from the nzone website (because K2 shipped with mono music and less than low quality cut scenes), which makes for a gig of content to be downloaded.

There's also HK-47, one of the best characters that ever appeared on rpgs and he appears on both games. He's an assassin droid and will most likely change your stance against SW droids completely.

HK-47's definition of love.

Several HK-47 quotes.

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Now, if you want quality dialog, voice overs and possibly the best acting ever on a rpg, you gotta play Bloodlines. Small sample here.

Also check this topic I made a few weeks ago just to tease people like you.
 

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