Paula Tormeson IV said:
Cory said:
Lyric Suite said:
Cory said:
I'll agree that videogames are becoming more and more infused with artistic elements. More money and talent is going into music, graphics, and writing. But the game itself is no different than sports. The game itself can't be art, but it can be "sexed up" with Art. Videogames are clearly a medium where artwork is expressed, but the game itself.... that's different.
Perhaps. But there are plenty of art forms which include elements that are purely intellectual, and contain little individual expression in and of themselves (for instance, counterpoint in music).
But such music and related art forms are passively experienced, there is nothing to be manipulated, no end goal to work for, no rules, no instance of engaging in competition. And thus, it can be called Art.
Remember how I defined Art - Art simply cannot have the elements I listed above, because if they did, then games like Chess, Sports or Prozac could be considered Art.
I can see how your shtick is a cool response to Lyric Suite's point, on some level. But, at the same time, how can you be that daft? Do you really want to say that music is not art?
huh? Carefully re-read what I wrote, and you'll see you totally misread. I said that counterpoint music is art, and the reason it's art is because the actual music in itself is passively experienced, contains nothing to be manipulated, no end goal to work for, no rules, no instance of engaging in competition. And thus, it can be called Art.
Remember, before the time of computers, there was no music without a PERFORMANCE of music. Think about that really hard for a while. There is no theater without PERFORMANCES of theater. Think about that too. Hard. Stop throwing those cliches around and stop to think for a while.
lol, wow, just wow... My argument so far as been perfectly logically consistent, you just completely misread what I wrote. Your interpretation was a 180 degree turn away from my intended meaning.
You have to be a pretty banal person to learn anything from a book. On the other hand, we have games, from which one may learn Darwinian truths.
There aren't too many instances of human invention that teach Darwinian truths like professional sports. Are sports Art?