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RPG Codex Diplomacy

Discussion in 'Codex Playground' started by Catacombs, Dec 17, 2019.

  1. wwsd Arcane

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    Fall 1905: Radetzky Marsch intensifies; the Passion of the Frenchman

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    ENGLAND
    • Helgoland Bight SUPPORT North Sea to Denmark -> Support cut by F Kiel - Helgoland Bight
    • Mid-Atlantic Ocean MOVE Portugal -> Bounced
    • North Sea MOVE Denmark -> Dislodged by F Belgium - North Sea
    • English Channel MOVE Belgium -> Bounced

    FRANCE
    • Gascony MOVE Marseilles -> resolved

    ITALY
    • Western Mediterranean MOVE Spain (South Coast) -> resolved
    • Aegean Sea MOVE Ionian Sea -> resolved
    • Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Aegean Sea to Ionian Sea -> resolved
    • Smyrna SUPPORT Aegean Sea to Ionian Sea -> Cannot support square Ionian Sea
    • Portugal HOLD -> resolved
    • Venice MOVE Piedmont -> resolved

    GERMANY
    • Kiel MOVE Helgoland Bight -> Bounced
    • Baltic Sea MOVE Sweden -> resolved
    • Holland SUPPORT Belgium to North Sea -> resolved
    • Picardy MOVE Belgium -> Bounced
    • Silesia MOVE Warsaw -> resolved
    • Moscow SUPPORT Silesia to Warsaw -> resolved
    • Paris SUPPORT Brest to hold -> resolved
    • Belgium MOVE North Sea -> resolved
    • Denmark SUPPORT Baltic Sea to Sweden -> Support cut by F North Sea - Denmark
    • Brest SUPPORT Paris to hold -> resolved


    AUSTRIA
    • Trieste MOVE Venice -> resolved
    • Ionian Sea SUPPORT Greece to Aegean Sea -> Dislodged by F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
    • Sevastopol SUPPORT Moscow to hold -> resolved
    • Greece MOVE Aegean Sea -> resolved
    • Naples MOVE Rome -> resolved
    • Bulgaria MOVE Constantinople -> Bounced
    • Tyrolia SUPPORT Trieste to Venice -> resolved
    • Rumania SUPPORT Bulgaria to hold -> Supported order does not correspond
    • Vienna MOVE Trieste -> resolved

    TURKEY
    • Constantinople HOLD -> resolved
    • Ukraine MOVE Galicia -> resolved

    RUSSIA
    • St. Petersburg HOLD -> resolved
    • Norway HOLD -> resolved
     
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  2. ValeVelKal Arcane

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    Italy not defending Rome or Naples is surprising

    A VEN - ROM
    F ION - NAP
    F TYR S F ION - NAP would have allowed to recapture the NAP without losing Rome, Venice was a goner.

    with 2 centers gone to rather than one, and given the isolation of the centers/fleets, Italy can’t defend anything properly, at best hold on Spain/Portugal for a time.

    The Turkish Army in Galicia can probably be leveraged. It is a very nice position against Germany, less so against Austria.

    I am long on Austria again due to Italian movement, and bet on an agreement on Constantinople with maybe even a support to retake SMY in exchange of support against the Germans

    Most of the Germans firepower is tied in fleets or in France, but nonetheless he will have on the short run 3 armies vs 4. That’s why being able to use the Turkish army and being able to bring the army from Romania would bring that to 6:3 ratio, while Germany has nothing to offer Turkey who disappears next year if Austria wishes so.

    It may be tempting for Austria to just finished off Turkey, but this will give time for Germany to reorganize (UK is defenceless) and its current potential for cores is 16 as Spain/Portugal are out of reach.
     
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  3. grimace Erudite

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    Is it over yet?
     
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  4. wwsd Arcane

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    Nope! Just entered fall 1906. Although I don't think the discussion of the game by "spectators" really influences players' moves and diplomacy, just to be 100% sure I think it makes sense to wait until a full season after a turn before posting updates. E.g. I (or anyone else) can post the results from spring 1906 after fall 1906 is over.

    For completeness' sake (and for more pretty colours), here is the situation after the 1905 builds:

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    ITALY
    • Smyrna DESTROY -> resolved
    • Ionian Sea DESTROY -> resolved

    GERMANY
    • BUILD army Munich -> resolved

    AUSTRIA
    • BUILD army Budapest -> resolved
    • BUILD army Vienna -> resolved
     
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  5. wwsd Arcane

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    Spring 1906 - Mood:

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    ENGLAND
    • Helgoland Bight HOLD -> Destroyed by F Kiel - Helgoland Bight
    • English Channel HOLD -> resolved
    • Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD -> resolved

    FRANCE
    • Marseilles MOVE Burgundy -> Attack broken by A Paris - Burgundy

    ITALY
    • Tyrrhenian Sea MOVE Gulf of Lyon -> resolved
    • Spain (South Coast) HOLD -> resolved
    • Portugal HOLD -> resolved
    • Piedmont HOLD -> resolved

    GERMANY
    • Picardy SUPPORT Paris to Burgundy -> resolved
    • Kiel MOVE Helgoland Bight -> resolved
    • Moscow MOVE Sevastopol -> Bounced
    • Paris MOVE Burgundy -> resolved
    • Sweden MOVE Denmark -> Bounced
    • Warsaw MOVE Ukraine -> Bounced
    • Holland SUPPORT Kiel to Helgoland Bight -> resolved
    • North Sea MOVE Denmark -> Bounced
    • Munich MOVE Silesia -> Bounced
    • Denmark MOVE Kiel -> resolved
    • Brest HOLD -> resolved


    AUSTRIA
    • Greece MOVE Ionian Sea -> resolved
    • Budapest SUPPORT Vienna to Galicia -> resolved
    • Trieste MOVE Tyrolia -> resolved
    • Venice SUPPORT Trieste to Tyrolia -> resolved
    • Rome HOLD -> resolved
    • Sevastopol SUPPORT Rumania to Ukraine -> Support cut by A Moscow - Sevastopol
    • Aegean Sea SUPPORT Bulgaria to Constantinople -> resolved
    • Bulgaria MOVE Constantinople -> resolved
    • Vienna MOVE Galicia -> resolved
    • Rumania MOVE Ukraine -> Bounced
    • Tyrolia MOVE Bohemia -> resolved

    TURKEY
    • Galicia MOVE Silesia -> Destroyed by A Vienna - Galicia
    • Constantinople HOLD -> Dislodged by A Bulgaria - Constantinople

    RUSSIA
    • St. Petersburg HOLD -> resolved
    • Norway HOLD -> resolved
     
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  6. Catacombs Cipher Patron

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    I was Turkey, and I'm out. GG, gentlemen.
     
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  7. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Tough going for you once Austria blobbed up. I feel like as Turkey you're hugely dependent on Russia proving trustworthy & competent.
     
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  8. ValeVelKal Arcane

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    Honestly Turkey is not the hardest country to win with, but it is the least interesting country to play. Austria is almost your natural enemy as you cannot really out of the Balkans without removing Austria (development toward Russia is hampered by Sebastopol being only one province and Rumania typically being into Austrian hands, while moving against Italy makes you very vulnerable to an Austrian betrayal). So this leaves Russian as a neigbour you can talk with, maybe Italy and to a lower extent Germany but that's all.

    It also means that when you talk to someone, everyone knows pretty well what you really want so it is really hard to "surprise" anyone.
     
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  9. Catacombs Cipher Patron

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    I was, but Russia wasn't responsive to my messages, and I wasn't sure what his intentions were, so that's why I moved into the Black Sea.

    Austria teaming up with Italy and moving east, with no help or communiqué from Russia, pretty much sealed my fate :lol:
     
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  10. wwsd Arcane

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    I played Turkey in one of my first games years ago where I got to a very strong position but eventually got driven back by an alliance of England, Germany (later eliminated by England) and Italy. I had some good early moves and diplomacy, but I didn't have any real tactical understanding of stalemate lines or some of the intricacies of support, so I eventually got driven all the way back despite reaching all the way to the "neutral" (non-SC) provinces that divide the map at first. In the endgame I also gave up on diplomacy or trying to communicate with the other remaining players, mistakenly thinking that there was nothing to talk about once I had attacked/stabbed them. Yes, I still sometimes have to fight my Armoured Duck tendencies.

    I guess Turkey can get off to a great start if he can trick Russia into leaving the Black Sea open. But I think many Russian players would always move there; all the better if Turkey says he isn't! Even if Turkey succeeds, if the competition is any good, they will generally understand that Turkey has "stabbed" someone in spring 1901 and it will make him less reliable in everyone's eyes. Same problem as Italy: if he successfully attacks Austria, that usually means he has fooled both Austria and Germany that he wouldn't move into Tyr, and then did it anyway, and that's two powers pissed off with you who could otherwise be decent allies. If Russia has successfully attacked Austria as well, you're still looking good, but otherwise the Italian is probably not going to do much.

    In that particular game as Turkey (I have to dig deep in my memory here) Austria still trusted me for some reason and I was able to stab him too. A good Austria usually isn't gonna be a reliable long-term ally, but I was lucky to be dealing with a sucka at that time. But after that everyone basically saw me get too strong too quickly and so the grand alliance inevitably formed. If we play another game after this one, I partially hope I can play Turkey to achieve a better result than in the two Codex games so far. But I also partially dread it. Also most people are fascinated by opening strategy and Turkey just has very few options there.

    I'm trying to jog my memory what happened with Turkey in the previous Codex game. That player started strong, but was eventually beaten back by a belated A-I alliance. He also didn't have a reliable Russia to work with IIRC. So it can be a very frustrating nation to play.
     
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  11. Catacombs Cipher Patron

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    Useless Russians. I'm sensing a trend here.
     
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  12. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yeah, I don't know about OP/UP, but I generally find France/Germany/Austria interesting to play, while Turkey in particular just feels like, say, you've got 2 options and which one you choose is mostly up to the others.

    Of course, and then I always just get Italy.
     
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  13. grimace Erudite

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    The game mechanics are solid and the website works well. New players will learn the game rules and the website interface during their first few games.

    Like wwsd said many Diplomacy players are obsessed with the perfect move and play like Chess players.

    The question in my mind is how does a chaotic and unpredictable element influence the decisions of the other players?
     
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  14. wwsd Arcane

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    Fall 1906: Corner powers - the lights are on but nobody's really at home

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    ENGLAND
    • Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD -> resolved
    • English Channel HOLD -> resolved

    FRANCE
    • Marseilles MOVE Burgundy -> Dislodged by A Piedmont - Marseilles

    ITALY
    • Piedmont MOVE Marseilles -> resolved
    • Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Piedmont to Marseilles -> resolved
    • Portugal HOLD -> resolved
    • Spain (South Coast) HOLD -> resolved

    GERMANY
    • Picardy MOVE Burgundy -> Bounced
    • Holland MOVE Belgium -> resolved
    • Helgoland Bight MOVE North Sea -> resolved
    • Moscow MOVE Livonia -> resolved
    • Burgundy MOVE Ruhr -> resolved
    • Warsaw SUPPORT Munich to Silesia -> resolved
    • North Sea MOVE Edinburgh -> resolved
    • Kiel MOVE Munich -> Attack broken by A Bohemia - Munich
    • Brest HOLD -> resolved
    • Munich MOVE Silesia -> resolved
    • Sweden MOVE Baltic Sea -> resolved


    AUSTRIA
    • Budapest MOVE Galicia -> Bounced
    • Tyrolia SUPPORT Bohemia to Munich -> resolved
    • Ionian Sea MOVE Tyrrhenian Sea -> Bounced
    • Venice HOLD -> resolved
    • Rome MOVE Tyrrhenian Sea -> Bounced
    • Bohemia MOVE Munich -> resolved
    • Rumania MOVE Ukraine -> resolved
    • Constantinople MOVE Ankara -> resolved
    • Aegean Sea MOVE Constantinople -> resolved
    • Sevastopol SUPPORT Rumania to Ukraine -> resolved
    • Galicia MOVE Silesia -> Attack broken by A Munich - Silesia

    RUSSIA
    • Norway HOLD -> resolved
    • St. Petersburg HOLD -> resolved
     
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  15. GrafvonMoltke Erudite

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    I lost.

    EDIT: I was France, btw.
     
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  16. Strange Fellow Peculiar Patron Sad Loser

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    What happens is that nobody wants to work with him, and then he loses.
     
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  17. ValeVelKal Arcane

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    I am really puzzled at the German losing Munich when it should have been 2:2

    Russian inactivity is really playing in the German hands, too.
     
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  18. Catacombs Cipher Patron

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    England told me there was a lot of French butthurt :lol:
     
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  19. GrafvonMoltke Erudite

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    Still held out longer than that wuss
     
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  20. wwsd Arcane

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    Spring 1907: Big Long GER-Stop Gets Shorted; ValeVelKal now long on Dogecoin

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    ENGLAND
    • Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD -> resolved
    • English Channel HOLD -> resolved

    ITALY
    • Portugal HOLD -> resolved
    • Spain (South Coast) MOVE Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Bounced
    • Marseilles HOLD -> resolved
    • Gulf of Lyon SUPPORT Spain (South Coast) to Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Cannot support square Mid-Atlantic Ocean

    GERMANY
    • Picardy MOVE Burgundy -> resolved
    • Belgium MOVE Holland -> resolved
    • Baltic Sea CONVOY Kiel to Prussia -> resolved
    • North Sea MOVE London -> resolved
    • Warsaw HOLD -> resolved
    • Silesia MOVE Bohemia -> Bounced
    • Livonia SUPPORT Warsaw to hold -> resolved
    • Ruhr MOVE Munich -> Bounced
    • Edinburgh MOVE Clyde -> resolved
    • Kiel MOVE Prussia -> resolved
    • Brest MOVE Gascony -> resolved

    AUSTRIA
    • Vienna MOVE Bohemia -> Bounced
    • Galicia MOVE Silesia -> Bounced
    • Budapest MOVE Rumania -> resolved
    • Tyrolia SUPPORT Munich to hold -> resolved
    • Venice MOVE Piedmont -> resolved
    • Sevastopol SUPPORT Ukraine to Moscow -> resolved
    • Ionian Sea MOVE Tyrrhenian Sea -> Bounced
    • Constantinople MOVE Smyrna -> resolved
    • Ankara MOVE Armenia -> resolved
    • Rome MOVE Tyrrhenian Sea -> Bounced
    • Munich HOLD -> resolved
    • Ukraine MOVE Moscow -> resolved
    • Trieste MOVE Vienna -> Bounced



    RUSSIA
    • St. Petersburg HOLD -> resolved
    • Norway HOLD -> resolved
     
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  21. AdvancedHero Arbiter

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    I didn't realize the thread was active; nice.
     
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  22. wwsd Arcane

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    Fall 1907 - Keep Britain Tiny!

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    ENGLAND
    • Mid-Atlantic Ocean HOLD -> resolved
    • English Channel HOLD -> resolved

    ITALY
    • Portugal SUPPORT Spain (South Coast) to Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Cannot support square Mid-Atlantic Ocean
    • Spain (South Coast) MOVE Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Bounced
    • Marseilles MOVE Spain -> Bounced
    • Gulf of Lyon MOVE Western Mediterranean -> resolved

    GERMANY
    • Burgundy MOVE Munich -> Bounced
    • Holland MOVE Kiel -> resolved
    • Baltic Sea MOVE Berlin -> Bounced
    • London HOLD -> resolved
    • Warsaw SUPPORT Silesia to Galicia -> resolved
    • Silesia MOVE Galicia -> resolved
    • Livonia SUPPORT Warsaw to hold -> resolved
    • Ruhr SUPPORT Burgundy to Munich -> Supported unit has failed
    • Clyde MOVE Liverpool -> resolved
    • Prussia MOVE Berlin -> Bounced
    • Gascony MOVE Burgundy -> Bounced

    AUSTRIA
    • Vienna MOVE Bohemia -> resolved
    • Galicia MOVE Silesia -> Dislodged by A Silesia - Galicia
    • Rumania MOVE Ukraine -> resolved
    • Tyrolia SUPPORT Munich to hold -> resolved
    • Piedmont SUPPORT Marseilles to hold -> Supported order does not correspond
    • Sevastopol SUPPORT Moscow to hold -> resolved
    • Ionian Sea MOVE Tunis -> resolved
    • Smyrna HOLD -> resolved
    • Armenia HOLD -> resolved
    • Rome MOVE Tyrrhenian Sea -> resolved
    • Munich HOLD -> resolved
    • Moscow HOLD -> resolved
    • Trieste MOVE Venice -> resolved


    RUSSIA
    • St. Petersburg HOLD -> resolved
    • Norway HOLD -> resolved

    Going into 1908:

    ENGLAND

    • English Channel DESTROY -> resolved
    • Mid-Atlantic Ocean DESTROY -> resolved

    ITALY
    • Portugal DESTROY -> resolved

    GERMANY
    • BUILD army Berlin -> resolved

    AUSTRIA
    • BUILD army Vienna -> resolved
    • BUILD army Budapest -> resolved
    • BUILD fleet Trieste -> resolved

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    Who's still in the game?

    Austria - 17 centres.
    Germany - 12 centres.
    Italy - 3 centres.
    Russia - 2 centres.

    :shredder:
     
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  23. GrafvonMoltke Erudite

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    Fuck Germany
     
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