Editorial RPG Codex Editorial: Games Journalism Scandal

[Grunker]

Well, I disagree (w/r/t websites and books) - I don't see how reading text on a monitor is different from reading a book; reading text is just reading text - but let's leave it at that.

I don't see how playing games on phones is any different from playing games on a PC; playing games is just playing games - but let's leave it at that.

Your analogy is really retarded.

Also, I read a lot of books, both academic and fiction, on the PC because I only have them in digital format. Please tell me how that makes it different from reading them in paper format.

Stop being so defensive

stop being a tired old troll

 

[Infinitron]

...and Grunker wins the "White Knight First Blood" award. :hiver:

 

[DarkUnderlord]

We at the RPG Codex rarely run editorials; it's mostly always DU with another of his "Year in Review" articles.

Which have become a fine and prestigious tradition.

Also, inbe4 lawsuit threats and article editing, with consecutive firing of grotsnik.

Has the Codex ever received legal threats? DarkUnderlord, can you enlighten us?

I do recall there was some kind of something in Feedback forum a while ago, but DU showed a large and smelly finger.

Yes, it was from Cleve.

 

[Gurkog]

More neogaf praise for the codex:

I realise RPGCodex is a hole, but dammit they hit it out of the park with this one.

 

[Infinitron]

Maybe the Indiegogo is actually to pay Cleve's lawyer fees so he can sue the Codex again.

 

[Kz3r0]

Great article grotsnik

Also, everyone complaining about the sentences and the formatting is a fag that cannot into English and proper reading, peasants.

 

[TripJack]

learn brevity asshole

 

[Gurkog]

I am surprised that nobody has thrown out the suggestion of a Kickstarter for a small games review website. Might be able to get plenty of funding if they strike while the iron is hot... but publicizing it would probably be difficult, since game sites probably wouldn't advertise more competition.

 

[Infinitron]

With gaming, there are also such considerations as PC interface vs. tablet interface and the way they influence what kinds of games are available on the PC and what on tablets, etc. However, if I read a book on mathematics or a piece of literary criticism, what changes if I read it in pdf compared to reading it as a physical copy? I often do both, and often switch between the two.

Of course there are differences. There's a reason E-ink based readers exist. Many people find reading from a standard monitor quite uncomfortable.

Again, it is something you can get used to, but it's not optimal.

 

[grotsnik]

Korina works for Bethesda UK now by the way - as of a week or two ago - (as her Twitter proclaims: https://twitter.com/Shikaboom ), conversely Wainwright has been writing about Dishonored a lot lately

The thing is, I'm sure Wainwright genuinely does like Tomb Raider. I'm sure she likes Square Enix games. The problem lies in the fact that her ongoing personal and professional connections with Square Enix set off warning bells about her impartiality (which - hey - may turn out to be completely unjustified, you never know), and there are wider ethical issues raised by her situation, about journalists being employed in the industry and journalists displaying a blase attitude towards the gifts they receive from the industry, which are worthy of open and honest discussion and in the consumer's interest to be aired. Instead Florence made nothing more than a very, very mild comment about how her stated opinions could make her look bad, and she was allowed to censor him for that, while he was accused of being a mean old cruel nasty vindictive man by his peers. Shit's fucked.

 

[felipepepe]

I am surprised that nobody has thrown out the suggestion of a Kickstarter for a small games review website

Oh, there has been, I recall one of some kids that wanted to create a podcast channel with a full website as strech goal. Got like 10 dollars I think.

The only way something like this would take off is with famous & respected journalists or with youtube/blog "celebrities". The later already has its thing rolling, going full website is too risky & pointless; the former won't ever burn all their bridges statin "All gaming journalism is shit & corrupted, help me create bastion of morality!"

Besides, GiantBomb was born riding Jeff's wave of "I was exiled for being honest", and it's not like it turned out glorious...

 

[Crooked Bee]

With gaming, there are also such considerations as PC interface vs. tablet interface and the way they influence what kinds of games are available on the PC and what on tablets, etc. However, if I read a book on mathematics or a piece of literary criticism, what changes if I read it in pdf compared to reading it as a physical copy? I often do both, and often switch between the two.

Of course there are differences. There's a reason E-ink based readers exist. Many people find reading from a standard monitor quite uncomfortable.

Again, it is something you can get used to, but it's not optimal.

Are you talking about user comfort or about the information you receive in either case? I was talking about the latter, not the former.

 

[Infinitron]

As far as websites go, the best thing is to have more non-gaming websites (that don't rely on game publisher $$$) open up gaming sections. See: Forbes.com

 

[Mrowak]

Great article grotsnik

Also, everyone complaining about the sentences and the formatting is a fag that cannot into English and proper reading, peasants.

As much as I liked the article, and the excellent job CB did with editing, the sentence structure is pretty damn unnatural to English in extreme cases. English favours short sentences due to the simple fact it is not well equipped to convey long pieces of information in a single burst (for instance, the issue of articles) - which is evident here (people here and in other places on the web point at that flaw).

In this case, were the sentences understandable? Yes. Did all of them sound natural and were easy to piece together? Hell no. That's something for grotsnik to work on - with this article he proved that it would be a well-invested effort. He can draw reader's attention, has certain flair and the fact how thorough he is in his research makes him a promising writer.

Having said that, I do not think the article needs any more editing. It's just something to think of in the future. Also, to be honest I would like to write on the same level grotsnik does.

 

[Jaesun]

Instead Florence made nothing more than a very, very mild comment about how her stated opinions could make her look bad, and she was allowed to censor him for that, while he was accused of being a mean old cruel nasty vindictive man by his peers. Shit's fucked.

And as we now know, she actually threatened to SUE Eurogamer (because of the laws in the UK, and her knowledge of it). You can't do the same thing in the US.. She is digging herself into such a great hole now. As well as all of those people who kept tweeting her support (like Rex).

 

[tuluse]

gatheryourparty seems to be pretty good, but it's all volunteer work, so it's inconsistently updated.

 

[felipepepe]

As far as websites go, the best thing is to have more non-gaming websites (that don't rely on game publisher $$$) open up gaming sections. See: Forbes.com

Yeah, Forbes game news are usually good, it's really nice to sometimes have a actual journalist looking at the games industry and pointing out how retarded they are. That "All The Pretty Doritos: How Video Game Journalism Went Off The Rails" article was just great.

 

[SCO]

No, we have been blacklisted WAY before this article.

By those this article steps against, right? So we are free evangelise the discontented rest in our ways.

We were blacklisted by bethestapo shortly after the VD review of Oblivion iirc.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

consumers can (probably) rely on amateur reviewers and niche review sites which are, if nothing else, small and arcane and (in the case of the Codex) completely beyond-the-pale enough to avoid getting themselves caught up in this kind of nonsense;

Yes, unless it's an Obsidian KickStarter with free goodies promised by MCA and the site's main Administrator is told to be silent about his criticism for their RTwP crap which is being based on a shitty game engine.

Think the Codex is above it all do you?

Not so smug about it now, huh?

 

[Jaesun]

 

[felipepepe]

Well, it's still way more amusing to see administration making fun of retards than just deleting/ignoring their posts like other websites.

 

[Crooked Bee]

And another unsuspecting mainstream developer converted thanks to grotsnik:

I'm afraid that, from now on, all our articles have to be written by grotsnik if we want to maintain our new reputation.

 

[hoverdog]

He doesn't even know what he doesn't know.

 

[Jaesun]

Holy Shit! I guess we need to somehow figure out how Rockstar North games are RPG's! So we can get sweet goodies, invited to parties, and exclusive dinners provide completely unbiased objectionable game reviews.

 

[Esquilax]

I'm afraid that, from now on, all our articles have to be written by grotsnik if we want to maintain our new reputation.

Fuck that, he needs to get back to writing the saga of Anthony Sommers, the avatar of the Codex!

But hey, no pressure, bro. Great article.