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Sapkowski demands CDPR pay him more

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Sapkowski "could try" is a wrong statement if the law explicit says that he is entitled to.
I said "could try", because he can use article 44 in court to support his case. However, it's up to a judge to decide what's what. Before that happens nothing is really decided. Judge has to agree with Sapkowsky that he should be given a renumeration first, then he has to decide what is a "suitable amount".

This means that Sapkowsky would have to prove before the court that the Witcher series became such a success (although we're realistically talking about TW3 here) because of Sapkowsky's work (which, in this case, amounts to pretty much giving CDPR the license) and not through CDPR's work. But up to the point of suing CDPR Sapkowsky did manage to sabotage himself very well: he refused to give his input on the games (despite being asked by CDPR), he publicly denigrated the video game versions made by CDPR and the effect they had on his books, he admitted he thought he was taking a better deal by taking a fixed sum (which at the time everybody thought was a fair deal), etc.

So, yeah, this isn't just about Sapkowsky simply showing CDPR's pile of money and asking for a cut. This is about Sapkowsky and his lawyers actually having to do some work and prove he deserves more than he agreed to back then, which he himself made all that much harder.

But they didn't, because they were sure to win a court case based on their understanding of contract laws and made the stupid decision to publish the letter from the Sapkowski's lawyers against their demand. After CDPR's lawyers have checked with the law and the probable reaching out the court by Sapkowski's Layers they knew that they will pay.
That's your story? Really? And you call me retarded...

CDPR could have made a PR stunt of of it if they would have published: That due to the recent great accomplishment of their company and they gratefulness towards Sapkowski they honor him by paying him additional a greatfull sum, so that his grandchildren will live a secure live. This could have been made with giving him the check and some hugging and praising his works and lot of cameras. How do you think the public would have reacted to this? CDPR would be in every mouth alone for this and they would have been the good guys.
They pretty much said it already in the beginning: "It is the Company’s will to maintain good relations with authors of works which have inspired CD PROJEKT RED’s own creations. Consequently, the Board will go to great lengths to ensure amicable resolution of this dispute;". It amounts to pretty much the same as what you're suggesting. The wording is slightly different, but the meaning is, more or less, the same: "We are willing to resolve Sapkowsky's poverty issue, although we don't owe him anything. That's how good we are".

CDPR's attitude towards Sapkowsky was always very clean, no matter what he had said about them or their games, and that's exactly because they are a company oriented on making money, meaning they can't afford to fling shit while riding a high horse, like Sapkowsky did. That's also why all the big companies are always using such alien PR-speak. It's safer for them that way.
 

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Badmouthing thieves, what an asshole.
You people belong in the gas chambers.

CDPR made a bad decision in not having the ability to predict the future and not being aware of the existence of a law that protects artists from Jews who try to fuck artists in the ass.

He once signed a deal for a game adaptation before and the game was never made.

So when CDPR came to him and offered a percentage of the profits, he rejected that offer and was smug like "no loosers, there won't be any profits, what can you give me right now ?" So they gave him 10k$ which was an average annual salary at the time.

This is literally what happened, he told the story in the interviews, before someone made him aware that he can still reneg the deal.
They were even charitable and hired him as a consultant during W1 & 2 development, which consisted of him doing fuck all and badmouthing the games take on his universe in public interviews.
 
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Not really, if the law gave him instruments to reneg the deal he should use them, like any sane person would and without his source material as inspiration CDPR wouldn't be successful, you have to be delusional to think otherwise.

He obviously was the only Jewish and retarded party in the whole arrangement though and the law is bulshit, but it is what it is.
 
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Badmouthing thieves, what an asshole.
You people belong in the gas chambers.

CDPR made a bad decision in not having the ability to predict the future and not being aware of the existence of a law that protects artists from Jews who try to fuck artists in the ass.

He once signed a deal for a game adaptation before and the game was never made.

So when CDPR came to him and offered a percentage of the profits, he rejected that offer and was smug like "no loosers, there won't be any profits, what can you give me right now ?" So they gave him 10k$ which was an average annual salary at the time.
Yes, and that was the smart thing to do. The mistake was not signing the contract for one game only.
 

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Badmouthing thieves, what an asshole.
You people belong in the gas chambers.

CDPR made a bad decision in not having the ability to predict the future and not being aware of the existence of a law that protects artists from Jews who try to fuck artists in the ass.

Not thieves, it was Sapkowski who strike a bad deal with CDPR, he insisted to be paid upfront. He then became butthurt when the witcher 3 made huge success.
Gerrard you are giving everyone retard rating, but the only french retard here is you. You know nothing and try to play smartass, thinking you know about Sapkowski more than a native polish person xD
 

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his whole conflict is hilarious. Witcher's setting and story aren't even good - they're mediocre at best, and only because CDPR cut out some of the more cancerous parts of it. It's babby's fist try at politics combined with what's essentially a monster hunter guild. Had CDPR decided to make their own setting with slavic-themed monsters, they would likely be just as successful. Nobody was drawn to play Witcher games because of the setting because nobody fucking knew of it – people were drawn in by getting a different flavour of fantasy (read: fantasy that doesn't copy paste half its shit from Tolkien) and playing a decent high-budget RPG. While Witcher 1 failed to get mainstream appeal, Witcher 2 did better and Witcher 3 had a massive marketing campaign going on to ensure success. At no point was any of this in any part thanks to Sapkowski.
completely wrong you clueless retard

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his whole conflict is hilarious. Witcher's setting and story aren't even good - they're mediocre at best, and only because CDPR cut out some of the more cancerous parts of it. It's babby's fist try at politics combined with what's essentially a monster hunter guild. Had CDPR decided to make their own setting with slavic-themed monsters, they would likely be just as successful. Nobody was drawn to play Witcher games because of the setting because nobody fucking knew of it – people were drawn in by getting a different flavour of fantasy (read: fantasy that doesn't copy paste half its shit from Tolkien) and playing a decent high-budget RPG. While Witcher 1 failed to get mainstream appeal, Witcher 2 did better and Witcher 3 had a massive marketing campaign going on to ensure success. At no point was any of this in any part thanks to Sapkowski.
completely wrong you clueless retard

never step a foot in eastern europe or ill have you shanked

He's not wrong on the slavic thing. The western market had enough of copypasted high fantasy, tolkien alike setting. The witcher slavic themed game was definitely a breath of fresh air. Books are pretty decent, they are not masterpiece of literature that's for sure, and even for fantasy genre they aren't anything brilliant[ASoIaF is better :D]. Witcher 3 plot was pretty much on the same level as the book plot. So i wouldn't say that game or the books are better, it's really tough decision. Books are better only in the fact that they were first, Sapkowski was first to create the universe[albeit the books don't really have much lore, at least compared to tolkien works], so games had to expand upon that.
Sapkowski should be really grateful that he recently settled for quite considerable sum[albeit we don't know how much]. He is past his prime, he doesn't write any books, his last book called "Żmija" or Viper was a pretty mediocre book about afghan war and it was released 10 years ago. So he's finished, his only income is from selling old witcher books[which were selling so-so before the games] and from the trademark sold to CDPR. No wonder he was so anal about getting more money.

I would be glad if Sapkowski could strike a deal with Warhorse Studios to make games based on Hussite Trilogy, which are frankly much better than witcher trilogy -Sapkowski refined his writing, as these are his newer works and it shows, the pacing, the writing, the plot and characters they are better. They book plot is taking place in the bohemian lands, so this czech publisher would be quite fond of this ;) Maybe after they release the KCD2, well one can dream.
 
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his whole conflict is hilarious. Witcher's setting and story aren't even good - they're mediocre at best, and only because CDPR cut out some of the more cancerous parts of it. It's babby's fist try at politics combined with what's essentially a monster hunter guild. Had CDPR decided to make their own setting with slavic-themed monsters, they would likely be just as successful. Nobody was drawn to play Witcher games because of the setting because nobody fucking knew of it – people were drawn in by getting a different flavour of fantasy (read: fantasy that doesn't copy paste half its shit from Tolkien) and playing a decent high-budget RPG. While Witcher 1 failed to get mainstream appeal, Witcher 2 did better and Witcher 3 had a massive marketing campaign going on to ensure success. At no point was any of this in any part thanks to Sapkowski.
completely wrong you clueless retard

never step a foot in eastern europe or ill have you shanked

He's not wrong on the slavic thing. The western market had enough of copypasted high fantasy, tolkien alike setting. The witcher slavic themed game was definitely a breath of fresh air. Books are pretty decent, they are not masterpiece of literature that's for sure, and even for fantasy genre they aren't anything brilliant[ASoIaF is better :D]. Witcher 3 plot was pretty much on the same level as the book plot. So i wouldn't say that game or the books are better, it's really tough decision. Books are better only in the fact that they were first, Sapkowski was first to create the universe[albeit the books don't really have much lore, at least compared to tolkien works], so games had to expand upon that.
Sapkowski should be really grateful that he recently settled for quite considerable sum[albeit we don't know how much]. He is past his prime, he doesn't write any books, his last book called "Żmija" or Viper was a pretty mediocre book about afghan war and it was released 10 years ago. So he's finished, he's only income is from selling old witcher books[which were selling so-so before the games] and from the trademark sold to CDPR. No wonder he was so anal about getting more money.

I would be glad if Sapkowski strike a deal with Warhorse Studios to make a games based on Hussite Trilogy, which are frankly much better than witcher trilogy -Sapkowski refined his writing, as these are his newer works and it shows, the pacing, the writing, the plot and characters they are better. They book plot is taking place in the bohemian lands, so this czech publisher would be quite fond of this ;) Maybe after they release the KCD2, well one can dream.
Who would dare work with him now? He might take them to court a few years down the road. No. Better to boycott the honourless dog and make up your own names and places and game.
 

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Sapkowski "could try" is a wrong statement if the law explicit says that he is entitled to.
I said "could try", because he can use article 44 in court to support his case. However, it's up to a judge to decide what's what. Before that happens nothing is really decided. Judge has to agree with Sapkowsky that he should be given a renumeration first, then he has to decide what is a "suitable amount".
A Judge has to base his decision upon the law and if the article 44 supports Sapkowski's case then the Judge has to use this as the basis of the decision. It is up to the other party to disprove or cast doubts, that the article is applicable in this case, but to my reading there is no possibility to do it, since it is very explicit:
In the event of a gross disproportion between the remuneration of the creator and the benefits of the purchaser of proprietary copyrights or the licensee, the creator may request an appropriate increase in remuneration by the court.

This means that Sapkowsky would have to prove before the court that the Witcher series became such a success (although we're realistically talking about TW3 here) because of Sapkowsky's work (which, in this case, amounts to pretty much giving CDPR the license) and not through CDPR's work. But up to the point of suing CDPR Sapkowsky did manage to sabotage himself very well: he refused to give his input on the games (despite being asked by CDPR), he publicly denigrated the video game versions made by CDPR and the effect they had on his books, he admitted he thought he was taking a better deal by taking a fixed sum (which at the time everybody thought was a fair deal), etc.
So, yeah, this isn't just about Sapkowsky simply showing CDPR's pile of money and asking for a cut. This is about Sapkowsky and his lawyers actually having to do some work and prove he deserves more than he agreed to back then, which he himself made all that much harder.
No he doesn't have to prove that his work was responsible for the success of the computer games. It is sufficient that his work is used as the basis in the witcher games, because you can never prove that it was exactly a persons work that made the success and not others involvement.
Btw. Sapkowski has the right to dislike the computer games medium as a storytelling device. And him telling that he didn't played the games are having none interest of playing the games is not infringing the rights to his work and to any work that is derived from his work.

But they didn't, because they were sure to win a court case based on their understanding of contract laws and made the stupid decision to publish the letter from the Sapkowski's lawyers against their demand. After CDPR's lawyers have checked with the law and the probable reaching out the court by Sapkowski's Layers they knew that they will pay.
That's your story? Really? And you call me retarded...
No i do not call you retarded, but you are slowly getting there, by such statements. I called your arguments retarded and that is quite a difference. A retard makes retarded arguments, but not every retarded argument is the work of a retard, because we all can be mislead to a false line of thinking.
Arguments are disproven or shown that there are counter arguments with equal validity and you have done neither the former nore the later.
Strengthening my line of argumentation is the fact, that in similar manner CDPR has acted months before the events with Sapkowski where they revealed a extortion attempt to publish art from CDPR CP2077. But a letter from lawyers is not an illegal extortion attempt, even if it may seem so for some personas. Therefore their acting was hasty and didn't counted into consideration the polish law. CDPR answered even with a greater hostility than Sapkowski has acted, by the act of displaying Sapkowski as extortionist and not like a person that is entitled by the law to this cause of actions. Sapkowski couldn't bring them before the court in Poland for reputational damage based upon the truth, but in many western countries, like in Germany he could.

CDPR could have made a PR stunt of of it if they would have published: That due to the recent great accomplishment of their company and they gratefulness towards Sapkowski they honor him by paying him additional a greatfull sum, so that his grandchildren will live a secure live. This could have been made with giving him the check and some hugging and praising his works and lot of cameras. How do you think the public would have reacted to this? CDPR would be in every mouth alone for this and they would have been the good guys.
They pretty much said it already in the beginning: "It is the Company’s will to maintain good relations with authors of works which have inspired CD PROJEKT RED’s own creations. Consequently, the Board will go to great lengths to ensure amicable resolution of this dispute;". It amounts to pretty much the same as what you're suggesting. The wording is slightly different, but the meaning is, more or less, the same: "We are willing to resolve Sapkowsky's poverty issue, although we don't owe him anything. That's how good we are".
That could have been, but it is now a missed oportunity. Instead of good PR it has lead to out-of-court settlement, which means due to the prior actions of CDPR: We would have lost before a court. And now nobody will believe that they love Sapkowski and that they are the good guys, because there is no handshaking, hugs, pies, mutual praises and etc.

CDPR's attitude towards Sapkowsky was always very clean, no matter what he had said about them or their games, and that's exactly because they are a company oriented on making money, meaning they can't afford to fling shit while riding a high horse, like Sapkowsky did. That's also why all the big companies are always using such alien PR-speak. It's safer for them that way.
According to my knowledge he never stated something, like: their witcher games are shit and they are worthless trash. He dislike the computer games medium as a whole and that it. Also he never accused them of betraying him, instead he blamed himself for his stupidity. But he also has not known about the article, since then he would have used it before and wouldn't had complained.
Sapkowski is Sapkowski and he is a Pole and polish people are sometimes annoying, sometimes assholes and very inconvenient, awkward, unpleasant and they need to stir things up, but on the other hand that are their best attributes to save them and others. Because many suffering is brought forward due to conformity and obedience.
 
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There is a massive difference between being an asshole and being an honourless dog whose word means nothing.

Clint Eastwood's character in Gran Turino is an asshole. Sapkowski is an honourless dog.
 

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his whole conflict is hilarious. Witcher's setting and story aren't even good - they're mediocre at best, and only because CDPR cut out some of the more cancerous parts of it. It's babby's fist try at politics combined with what's essentially a monster hunter guild. Had CDPR decided to make their own setting with slavic-themed monsters, they would likely be just as successful. Nobody was drawn to play Witcher games because of the setting because nobody fucking knew of it – people were drawn in by getting a different flavour of fantasy (read: fantasy that doesn't copy paste half its shit from Tolkien) and playing a decent high-budget RPG. While Witcher 1 failed to get mainstream appeal, Witcher 2 did better and Witcher 3 had a massive marketing campaign going on to ensure success. At no point was any of this in any part thanks to Sapkowski.
completely wrong you clueless retard

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I happen to live in eastern europe, come at me.
 

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In the Hussite Trilogy first book is excellent, the second one is decent, while the third one is dogshit and I struggled to finish it.

Sapkowski is way past his prime as an author, but the Season of Storms released in 2013 is somewhat an improvement over his previous works.
 

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In the Hussite Trilogy first book is excellent, the second one is decent, while the third one is dogshit and I struggled to finish it.

Sapkowski is way past his prime as an author, but the Season of Storms released in 2013 is somewhat an improvement over his previous works.
Thanks, didn't know he released a book after żmija. That was the last book i've read from him.
 

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But that requires cognitive capacities instead of writing shit seen from an youtuber that has absolutely no knowledge about Polish Commonwealth.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Sapkowski. The historical roots are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Polish history most of the references will go over a typical readers' head. There's also Geralt's nick name, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal heraldry draws heavily from white wolf heraldic crest in europe and the Transylvanian / Hungarian royal families, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these references, to realise that they're not just historical set-up- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Sapkowski truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the depth in Sapkowski masterful rewriting of children's fairy tales, following the traditional work of the Brothers Grimm. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Sapkowski's genius wit unfolds itself on the pages. What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Witcher tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid


(You make him sound some kind of Umberto Eco and not an author of garbage bin literature. Trust me, I may have some knowledge of good authors of both historical novels and fantasy, but again, butthurt Poles defending out of principle aren't my thing. Go wild and enjoy the man, if you do!)
 

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A Judge has to base his decision upon the law and if the article 44 supports Sapkowski's case then the Judge has to use this as the basis of the decision. It is up to the other party to disprove or cast doubts, that the article is applicable in this case, but to my reading there is no possibility to do it, since it is very explicit:
In the event of a gross disproportion between the remuneration of the creator and the benefits of the purchaser of proprietary copyrights or the licensee, the creator may request an appropriate increase in remuneration by the court.
Yes, it gives you a metaphorical leg to stand on. This much everybody agrees on. What we disagree on is how the article is to be understood. Not read. Understood. In the context of the whole case. Not just how much TW series had managed to earn over the course of their lifetime (which seems to be pretty much the only thing you're taking into consideration), but all circumstances surrounding the series' financial success. And I mean ALL.

No he doesn't have to prove that his work was responsible for the success of the computer games. It is sufficient that his work is used as the basis in the witcher games, because you can never prove that it was exactly a persons work that made the success and not others involvement.
He does. I have this straight up from the judge, who made a verdict in another case where article 44 was used:
The success of the work could be a result of the work of the author, who made a prominent work, his name or artistic position; success could also be predestined by the activity of the copyright buyer, displayed in ability to conduct a maketing campaign nad "selling" the work. The circumstances independent from the parties of the contract, e.g. hitting the current fashion or social demand could also be of importance. Therefore it's underlined in the doctrine that only taking all these circumstances into consideration it's possible to ascertain if the dysproportion between creator's remuneration and benefits achieved is blatant
Also, you seem to not understand that CDPR making the games entirely on their own - which, again, is Sapkowsky's fault - is a big deal.

Using the names isn't the same as using his work (the books). And the further they go in games, the more they are doing "their own thing" that's merely inspired by Sapkowsky's universe, which makes it even harder for Sapkowsky to claim he was being responsible for the games' success or him contributing anything. We're talking about another work, really. CDPR's work. I can't stress how important this is.

Btw. Sapkowski has the right to dislike the computer games medium as a storytelling device. And him telling that he didn't played the games are having none interest of playing the games is not infringing the rights to his work and to any work that is derived from his work.
It would be marked against him in the court though. Because his total and complete lack of any involvement (to put it mildly) can't be used as an argument for him making the series successful. Again, it's all about analysing the circumstances surrounding the case.

No i do not call you retarded, but you are slowly getting there, by such statements. I called your arguments retarded and that is quite a difference. A retard makes retarded arguments, but not every retarded argument is the work of a retard, because we all can be mislead to a false line of thinking.
Fair enough.

Strengthening my line of argumentation is the fact, that in similar manner CDPR has acted months before the events with Sapkowski where they revealed a extortion attempt to publish art from CDPR CP2077. But a letter from lawyers is not an illegal extortion attempt, even if it may seem so for some personas. Therefore their acting was hasty and didn't counted into consideration the polish law. CDPR answered even with a greater hostility than Sapkowski has acted, by the act of displaying Sapkowski as extortionist and not like a person that is entitled by the law to this cause of actions. Sapkowski couldn't bring them before the court in Poland for reputational damage based upon the truth, but in many western countries, like in Germany he could.
They didn't "display him an an extortioninst" though, so I fail to see what "reputational damage" you're talking about. If Sapkowsky is seen as an extortionist it's because of his own actions, not CDPRs.

That could have been, but it is now a missed oportunity. Instead of good PR it has lead to out-of-court settlement, which means due to the prior actions of CDPR: We would have lost before a court. And now nobody will believe that they love Sapkowski and that they are the good guys, because there is no handshaking, hugs, pies, mutual praises and etc.
I will admit I find your outlook to be a peculiar one. At the very least they have Sapkowsky's cooperation now and the matter is settled, so it's still a win for them.

According to my knowledge he never stated something, like: their witcher games are shit and they are worthless trash. He dislike the computer games medium as a whole and that it. Also he never accused them of betraying him, instead he blamed himself for his stupidity. But he also has not known about the article, since then he would have used it before and wouldn't had complained. Sapkowski is Sapkowski and he is a Pole and polish people are sometimes annoying, sometimes assholes and very inconvenient, awkward, unpleasant and they need to stir things up, but on the other hand that are their best attributes to save them and others. Because many suffering is brought forward due to conformity and obedience.
He said that the game, and I quote; "made a lot of stink and shit". That he doesn't know much about the game, because he "surrounds himself with intelligent people". He also complained that he had to "fight" to "prove who was the first" [him or the books]. He has a lot of disdain for the games, because they showed him that he isn't as great author as he thought, which hurt his ego. He only started to back up after he made a scene with his arrogant comments, because even people who liked his books weren't stupid enough to take that kind of shit with a straight face. I wouldn't be surprised if his lawyers told him to soften up his position at some point. And spare me "Sapkowski is Sapkowski". Sapkowsky is an arrogant jerk. Plain and simple.
 
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I hope Kiciński sees this, bro.
Go back to reddit you fucking retard.
 

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I hope Kiciński sees this, bro.
Go back to reddit you fucking retard.
Says an extremely rabid retard fan-dog. The only person in this entire thread who had not had a single semi-sensible post. To be read or acknowledged is a privilege. If you keep proving to be unworhy of that I am going to revoke your right to be heard. This is your first and only warning.
 
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Look lads, I've met Sapkowski in person at a couple of cons and he just never seemed to be in complete control of his faculties. A couple ingredients short of a cat eye potion if you get my drift. He seems to really hate the Witcher. He made a weird analogy to me that I remind him of his son. I was flattered but then Sapkowski went on to say he would travel back in time to when he was 17 and cut his own balls off so he couldn't have kids. He then told me that he's more ashamed of the Witcher than he is his own son. He said this in public at a convention in a hall full of Witcher fans wanting his autograph. If someone can find the footage of a panel Sapkowski did at MCM London Comic Con you can watch this weird tirade for yourself. I've never met a man so detached from his own work. He has a real talent for dodging any questions asked about his work though. He almost acts like he didn't even write it himself... hmmm
 

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Since we have this thread dedicated for Sapkowski , any1 know if he seen the netflix TVitcher? What does he think about that crap :lol:
 

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Since we have this thread dedicated for Sapkowski , any1 know if he seen the netflix TVitcher? What does he think about that crap :lol:
Considering that the original Geralt was a veritable chatterbox and the TV series one is more brooding glarer, probably nothing good :D
 

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