KickStarter Shroud of the Avatar - Lord British's Not-Ultima Online 2

[Tytus]

More info here: https://twitter.com/aut0br0

What kind of retard moron would back up a FUCKING MILLIONAIRE.
He has all the fucking funds he needs.

61,290 people already did it for another millionaire, Mr.Fargo

Don't think he's as wealthy as Garriott.

http://wikimapia.org/16992912/Brian-Fargo-s-House

He didn't go into space, so people don't know that he has a lot of money.

 

[Jaesun]

There were Ultima games after U9?

Yes. A shitty mmo fecesbook game.

 

[Infinitron]

More info here: https://twitter.com/aut0br0

What kind of retard moron would back up a FUCKING MILLIONAIRE.
He has all the fucking funds he needs.

61,290 people already did it for another millionaire, Mr.Fargo

Don't think he's as wealthy as Garriott.

http://wikimapia.org/16992912/Brian-Fargo-s-House

Is that a rebuttal?

 

[evdk]

Is that a rebuttal?

Well, it's Roguey's patented "argue with quotes and links" style of discourse. Choose your own argument!

 

[Roguey]

Is that a rebuttal?

Does he have as many millions as Garriott? I dunno. Does he have millions? Yes. The cost of the average Newport Beach home is one million. Think of how much it costs annually to maintain all that.

 

[Diablo169]

Are we really debating the merits of backing Brian Fargo vs Garriott? While Fargo has made blunders he's hardly committed Tabula Rasa level sins. I know who I trust with my money more anyway, Fargo's a bro.

If it takes kickstarters to get the games that I like made then i'll gladly join the bandwagon. It's better then no CRPGS at all.

 

[mindx2]

I never got something... Is there a LB fan somewhere that actually enjoyed his last creations or the latest Ultima stuff that are not even related to him? I haven't seen literally one person saying he liked Tabula Rasa, Lords of Ultima, Portalarium crap or this Ultima Forever thing. ONE. Who are these people being considered market slice for these projects? Is there at least one veteran Ultima fan that look at those things with excitement?

Amazingly, yes there are...

http://ultimacodex.com

They LOVE Ultima Forever.

 

[Stabwound]

Once again, I think Kickstarter is now just as much of a promotional tool as it is a fundraising tool. Look at the amount of press/discussion recent kickstarter projects have: Wasteland 2 and Project Eternity alone have thousands of pages each of discussion on this forum alone. Several times more than even Diablo 3, which is a huge game that has been out for almost a year now.

The gaming press eats up interviews/posts about Kickstarter updates, too. Even Chris Taylor's shitty Wildman project got him tons of press coverage and interviews.

Whatever it is about croundfunding, people love that shit.

 

[slamelov]

He said in FB:

For the record... I have always been and remain first and foremost a PC game developer! While my games have often been ported to a variety of platforms, the PC remains central to my efforts! (BTW - As a player, I love to play on tablets due to my constant travel, so I hope we will be able to port our next games onto tablets so I can play, on and offline!)

 

[Brother None]

Fargo's fairly wealthy, that's why he put his money where his mouth is and offered to pay up $100K out of his own pocket if needed, and doesn't take any wages out of Kickstarter funds. I don't know if Lord British plans to make a similar offer, and as far as I know he is richer than Fargo, but who knows...

Well, shit, this crap might have a negative impact on the Torment Kickstarter if they start around the same time

Edit: Paging Faggot None. Delay, delay! Or start now!

Nah. It doesn't really affect our plans either way.

 

[Mother Russia]

Hey guys, speaking of Fargo and money something I want to know:

What is the story behind the Fargos + Obamas pic? Where/why/when did they meet?

And what is Fargos wife's name? How did a dork like him end up with a hot piece of ass like her?

Oh and yah, this kickstarter will be shit and the excuse for making it will be to show publishers proof of support so they will fund it with AAA+ monies.

 

[JarlFrank]

There were Ultima games after U9?

Yes. A shitty mmo fecesbook game.

I am aware of that, which is why I put the word "games" in italics, so I sarcastically asked if there were any actual games made rather than just crap that doesn't really count as a game.

 

[FeelTheRads]

offered to pay up $100K out of his own pocket if needed

Speaking of which, isn't that forbidden by Kickstarter? Putting your own money in, I mean? Unless it's after you reach the goal, I guess. I don't remember what Fargo said exactly.

Nah. It doesn't really affect our plans either way.

Well, what are those "plans" besides getting money? If both Kickstarters run at the same time some people could go the wrong way. Which in some ways could be a good riddance, though, since they'd likely be the "I want hats, hairstyles and romances" kind.

 

[evdk]

offered to pay up $100K out of his own pocket if needed

Speaking of which, isn't that forbidden by Kickstarter? Putting your own money in, I mean? Unless it's after you reach the goal, I guess. I don't remember what Fargo said exactly.

He asked for $900K when he actually wanted $1M promising to pay the $100K out of his own pocket in case only the lesser amount was raised. So nothing against KS rules.

 

[80Maxwell08]

He said in FB:

For the record... I have always been and remain first and foremost a PC game developer! While my games have often been ported to a variety of platforms, the PC remains central to my efforts! (BTW - As a player, I love to play on tablets due to my constant travel, so I hope we will be able to port our next games onto tablets so I can play, on and offline!)

Well that's a start. Now for more details. One thing watching Wildman taught me is using time before kickstarting a project is best used clarifying exactly what that project is going to be.

 

[Stabwound]

Speaking of which, isn't that forbidden by Kickstarter? Putting your own money in, I mean? Unless it's after you reach the goal, I guess. I don't remember what Fargo said exactly.

Yeah, it would be against the kickstarter rules to put your own money toward it, even though I'm sure its happened before; there are a lot of projects that barely squeeked by the goal by like $100-1000 dollars. It wouldn't be hard to throw $5000 of your own money at something to get $10000 back rather than nothing.

But what Fargo did was set the goal at $900,000 instead of the $1,000,000 he projected he needed for the game and intended to add his own $100,000 to those funds if they just barely made it. Really, it was probably more of a publicity stunt than anything.

 

[evdk]

Well that's a decent start. Now for more details. One thing watching Wildman taught me is using time before kickstarting a project is best used clarifying exactly what that project is going to be.

But it doesn't tell you anything, really, apart from the thing that the game will have online components and will be designed in a way that would allow porting to tablets. None of these things fills me with confidence.

 

[Infinitron]

I made a newspost, but to be honest, at this point, I'm no longer sure how relevant it is.

 

[80Maxwell08]

Well that's a decent start. Now for more details. One thing watching Wildman taught me is using time before kickstarting a project is best used clarifying exactly what that project is going to be.

But it doesn't tell you anything, really, apart from the thing that the game will have online components and will be designed in a way that would allow porting to tablets. None of these things fills me with confidence.

Misread that part about tablets actually. I'll edit the "decent" out of my post.

 

[Charles-cgr]

EDIT: Holy shit, that countdown is ONE WEEK long. Hoho. That means inXile has a week to put up their KS (without losing pledges to this shit).

I disagree. Better to launch a few days later so that when this one fails and the backers aren't charged they can pledge in the final days for Torment.

 

[Excommunicator]

I'm very cautious about this, Garriot had 30 million dollars to burn on a space trip and don't have money to make a game? This shows where his priorities are. He could easily took 5 million dollars from his fortune and make an Ultima spiritual sequel, it would be guaranteed money but get free money from Kickstarter is way too tempting (I guess he is seeing the success of Obsidian and Inxile and want a few millions too). He need to do extra effort to clean his name or I want his kickstarter to fail very hard.

That's exactly the worst part about it. He does have the personal finances to do it and yet he has the audacity to go out and ask the public for the funds for a game that nobody wants to play after having completely destroyed his own reputation with numerous other disasters that also nobody wanted to play.

Millionaire or not, only a moron would spend his own money on a business project. This is especially true for vidya games, which are notorious for not making their money back, despite being critically acclaimed. Even if funds are not an issue, Lard British would be stupid not to exploit the Kickstarter- he could promise to deliver a bag of burning shit to people's doorsteps and still get the project funded on his name alone.

And then what? A failure (as in delivering a product people hate) with kickstarter is going to tarnish your reputation a lot more than a project funded behind closed doors. He has nowhere to hide and nowhere to pass the blame to.

Anyway, the morons are the one's who invest (their own or someone else's) in a product they don't understand (most of the game industry is that way). People investing their own money in their own project is a very important part of the puzzle for the delivery of a product that has integrity (and with the necessary oversight). Of course, it requires an understanding of the product as well, and as someone like Curt Schilling can demonstrate even if you invest large sums, without an understanding of the product it will still turn into a dramatic failure

 

[Charles-cgr]

I'm very cautious about this, Garriot had 30 million dollars to burn on a space trip and don't have money to make a game? This shows where his priorities are. He could easily took 5 million dollars from his fortune and make an Ultima spiritual sequel, it would be guaranteed money but get free money from Kickstarter is way too tempting (I guess he is seeing the success of Obsidian and Inxile and want a few millions too). He need to do extra effort to clean his name or I want his kickstarter to fail very hard.

That's exactly the worst part about it. He does have the personal finances to do it and yet he has the audacity to go out and ask the public for the funds for a game that nobody wants to play after having completely destroyed his own reputation with numerous other disasters that also nobody wanted to play.

He probably just wants the buzz and apparently he's getting it.

 

[FrancoTAU]

On the whole he should just fund his own game thing, we just saw Chris Roberts have a kickstarter. The guy probably has whatever Garriot does plus the wasted space money. You'd be a fool to completely self fund anything unless it was the only way it could be done.

That being said, this game is probably going to be some shitty Facebook F2P game. If it's a proper RPG than I'm willing to gamble 30 bucks on a guy who made some of my favorite games of all time.

 

[Jaesun]

It's going to be a MMO with a single player game (like Star Citizen). That made 8 million.

 

[FrancoTAU]

It's going to be a MMO with a single player game (like Star Citizen). That made 8 million.

I can at least see how it might work for a space simulator which is why I did pledge the lowest tier on Star Citizen. I can't see how the RPG version of that works well unless they're basically just 2 different games that are using the same engine, art assets, etc to save on money. It'd fuck up any game balance or narrative if you can go back and forth between SP and MMO.